Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[Smart2Nesmith43]

He played 71 minutes in the entire finals and they sat him basically the entire game 6. He didn't knock Bam out with his physical play. Bam reinjured the shoulder that was already hurting by the Boston series.

Hahaha. Hurting from the boston series? Really?
The dude turned to shaq against the celtics. Particularly against softie Daniel Theis. Bam got injured in the finals by trying to bang against Dwight. If we had a banger against the heat during the bubble and last season, we would have had a better chance. Instead, we had guys like butler posting up our so called bigs. and having easy perimeter jumpers, and layups from unatheletic role players. Not saying Dwight is the solution, but he would have helped us. and he was a steal for the lakers during the bubble with his unguaranteed cheap contract.

Theis had the best defensive rating of any Boston player during that Miami series (excluding Langford who played like 5 minutes total) holding the Heat at 109.1 points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor, far below both their regular season (111.9) and playoff mark (112.7). The Heat had a 122.5 offensive rating when Theis was off the floor but sure the Celtics lost because he was "soft" not because he didn't have a decent back up (Kanter lol, rookie Grant Williams and a Timelord that hadn't figured out where to stand on a NBA court yet). Maybe your take would more success on an alternative history forum.

[Dogen]

Nice to get a big like Queta for the final 2-Way spot (with guards Davison and Scrubb as the other 2). Perfect move as he doesn't take the 15th spot but can come up to the Celtics for up to 50 games and fill in for injury or resting Al, Rob, Porzingis.

That leaves one spot on the roster open, and no pressing need to fill now that Svi and Neemias are on board.

This also means that DJ Steward is going to have to make his case for the roster spot. I have hopes for Steward, but as a 6-2 SG he's going to have to really blow the team away in camp. Might be good to keep that spot open for a vet later in the year if Steward isn't able to secure it.

For young available PF's still available, I like Foster Jr. as a compliment to Brissett. But with Queta getting that 2-Way, though, I suspect Brad will want a more experienced player at the 15th spot.

Lamar Stevens is still out there, too -- still waiting for the Lillard chips to fall? Maybe Miami bound?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

They're saving that 15th spot for Theis...

[return2glory]

Man, some of this reporting by Shams and Woj just keeps getting more and more shameless haha.

Calling Dwight "the 2020 Lakers championship center" lol, like c'mon man. 2020 was 3 years ago! He's been playing in china for the past couple yrs. He'll be 38 this season and he was like 9th on the Lakers in minutes during the 2020 NBA finals.

Have some shame haha.

The agents must be like paying these guys to write this stuff.

Dwight was one of the key reasons why the Lakers bear the Heat in the Finals.
And you don't have to look up stats. He knocked Bam out of the series with his physical play.
We would have beat the Heat with Dwight last year.
You just need him for about 15 minutes a night. Just rebound, defend and be physical.

He played 71 minutes in the entire finals and they sat him basically the entire game 6. He didn't knock Bam out with his physical play. Bam reinjured the shoulder that was already hurting by the Boston series.

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Dwight knocked Bam out of the Finals in game 1. Bam missed the next 2 games and the series was over. His shoulder was hurt coming into the Finals, but Dwight knocked him out of the Finals, at least for the next 2 games of the Finals and the series was pretty much over. Dwight has been known to be physical and border line dirty his entire career.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

This also means that DJ Steward is going to have to make his case for the roster spot. I have hopes for Steward, but as a 6-2 SG he's going to have to really blow the team away in camp. Might be good to keep that spot open for a vet later in the year if Steward isn't able to secure it.

I think the play is to bring a more established guy first to fill the 15th spot regardless of how Steward does in camp. If that guy can't hack it during the regular season or some roster spots open up after the deadline then Steward might get called up and hopefully follow the same trajectory as Kornet a couple of seasons ago.

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For young available PF's still available, I like Foster Jr. as a compliment to Brissett. But with Queta getting that 2-Way, though, I suspect Brad will want a more experienced player at the 15th spot.

I think Foster Jr is more of a 5 than a 4. And I don't see us signing Foster after we just signed Queta. I figure we would sign either Queta or Foster Jr but probably not both of them.

I think a guy like JaMychal Green could be in play for the 15th spot. He is more of a 5 at this point in his career but can also play the 4.

Also, we now have quite a few young, less proven guys on the team. We could use another proven vet who's over 30 so has more experience and maturity.

Also, we now have quite a few guys who aren't shooters at all or have shooting concerns (Queta, Brissett, Kornet, Walsh, Banton, Rob) so if we're gonna add another guy, it'd be nice to have him be a guy who can shoot it pretty good.

Lamar Stevens is still out there, too -- still waiting for the Lillard chips to fall? Maybe Miami bound?

I'd like to snag Stevens for our 15th spot. But it seems doubtful that he will come here since there's gotta be at least 5 or 6 other teams where he'd have a better shot to get playing time.

[GoGreen]

Sac fans seem to like this Queta guy, but sounds like he's a foul machine. Watching his highlights he sure has some serious potential. Hoping to see him develop!

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[Larry_Russell]

Still 1 great option for a Brogdon deal that makes the team better imo. (And protects against needing to deal Brown in the future)

Brogdon, Kornet and a pick or 2 to the Clippers
for
Mann and Covington

Clippers get a legit starting PG and some depth up front, we get a backup PF (Needed) anda scorer off the bench at guard (needed)

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Mann/SVI
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
KP/Covington/Brissett
Timelord/Horford/Queta

Not a big fan of the 3rd PG rotation, but Mann can play that role too.

[BK_2020]

Still 1 great option for a Brogdon deal that makes the team better imo. (And protects against needing to deal Brown in the future)

Brogdon, Kornet and a pick or 2 to the Clippers
for
Mann and Covington

Clippers get a legit starting PG and some depth up front, we get a backup PF (Needed) anda scorer off the bench at guard (needed)

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Mann/SVI
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
KP/Covington/Brissett
Timelord/Horford/Queta

Not a big fan of the 3rd PG rotation, but Mann can play that role too.

Honestly we have a bigger need at guard than another 4/5 type. Tatum, Jaylen, KP, Horford will eat up like 90 minutes at forward.

[Cricket23]

I know a lot of people want to hold on to Brogdon, and I get it but I'm not one of them. In another thread I mentioned the possibility of getting in on the KPJ dump.

Maybe something like this

Brogdon to Houston

T. Jones and J. Tate to Boston

KPJ and draft compensation to Washington

Boston gets a true PG with less health concerns and a veteran wing defender. They could release Blanton and save the 15th spot for a big.

[BK_2020]

I know a lot of people want to hold on to Brogdon, and I get it but I'm not one of them. In another thread I mentioned the possibility of getting in on the KPJ dump.

Maybe something like this

Brogdon to Houston

T. Jones and J. Tate to Boston

KPJ and draft compensation to Washington

Boston gets a true PG with less health concerns and a veteran wing defender. They could release Blanton and save the 15th spot for a big.

I don't think I can come up with a good reason for Houston to do this. They have a veteran lead guard they just signed for big money, a top 3 pick guard they are developing, a guard defender they signed for big money, and a 4th overall pick guard they want to develop. If you were to ask me what teams are least likely to want to trade for Brogdon, Boston would be 1st then Houston. You have them giving up Tate and draft picks for Brogdon.
This trade isn't good for Washington either but it's kind of indefensible from Houston's perspective.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

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[Cricket23]

I know a lot of people want to hold on to Brogdon, and I get it but I'm not one of them. In another thread I mentioned the possibility of getting in on the KPJ dump.

Maybe something like this

Brogdon to Houston

T. Jones and J. Tate to Boston

KPJ and draft compensation to Washington

Boston gets a true PG with less health concerns and a veteran wing defender. They could release Blanton and save the 15th spot for a big.

I don't think I can come up with a good reason for Houston to do this. They have a veteran lead guard they just signed for big money, a top 3 pick guard they are developing, a guard defender they signed for big money, and a 4th overall pick guard they want to develop. If you were to ask me what teams are least likely to want to trade for Brogdon, Boston would be 1st then Houston. You have them giving up Tate and draft picks for Brogdon.
This trade isn't good for Washington either but it's kind of indefensible from Houston's perspective.

Well, they're getting rid of combo guard KPJ, which is their current goal. He was expected to play big minutes, hence the need for Brogdon. Even Houston fans are saying they'll need help in the backcourt.

[31to6]

They're saving that 15th spot for Theis...

I think Brian Robb said a bit ago that the new rule is that to use all three '2-way' slots, a team has to bring 15 real roster guys into the season. Meaning they can't leave #15 'open' for Theis.

I believe they *can* have guys like Banton and Svi on non-guaranteed deals, ready to ditch as needed if they wanted an open slot around buy-out time. And Theis coming back to BOS only makes sense as a buy-out guy, right? IND might be competing for a playoff spot, I don't know their depth chart but much as I love Theis, I personally don't need anyone from the German world champions back in green.

So: if they have to sign a 15th guy...
Blake -- the People's Choice award
Oubre -- the 'Big Get' award, I have to admit that would be interesting!
Javonte Green or Austin Rivers -- two of my positional favorites
Terrence Davis or Hamadiou Diallo -- my other positional favorites, though I know perhaps legal/character issues with Davis
Ish or Payne *if* they traded Brogdon or Pritchard

I know there's a bunch of others, and others might shake loose -- the point of this post mostly is to say 'HOORAY SOMETHING ELSE -- EVEN IF IT'S RELATIVELY TINY -- WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN TO THIS ROSTAH'

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Celtics fans during the summer: "Trade Brogdon for a bag of chips because reasons."
Celtics fans 10 games into the season: "Wait bag of chips can't run a pick and roll at the NBA level and hit 40% of his threes. Fire Brad for doing such a dumb trade."