Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Feed Your Head]

Makes sense but hard to expect this AND to duck the luxury tax

I know what Fischer said, but things always change. They very well could just duck the tax, but that being their path is far from a given.

Idk, the Jabari waiving to me signaled they were gonna duck it. But who knows.

If they go into the tax this year, they can't half-ass it. Get a Barnes/Hield type and go deeper into the tax. There's no real point being $4 million or so over the tax line, might as well duck it at that point

I’m sure that’s the battle Brad is having with himself. I think the most likely path is a tax ducking move, but maybe Brad really wants to make a strong signal to the Jay’s.

Winning a playoff series and putting up a good fight in the second round wouldn’t be the worst thing.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I know a lot of teams would appreciate Richardson, finding a fit for a trade is a different issue. Would Utah give a 1st with Ingles’ expiring?

[keevsnick1]

I think they want a wing and a distributing 1. My best…educated guess at the wing thing is that Brad wants Tatum back at the 4.

Great minds think alike.

Tatum is a beast at pf

I say him at the 4, but really it can be that or a guy like Jeff Green or someone like that. Just need spacing, and Tatum at the 4 is the easiest path to that.

I think ideally they'd want a Harrison Barnes guy. A big wing who can play and guard the PF position while also spacing the floor. A premium version of Grant Williams basically, so that tatum/brown don't have to guard bigger wings and PF's as much.

[GoCeltics123]

I know what Fischer said, but things always change. They very well could just duck the tax, but that being their path is far from a given.

Idk, the Jabari waiving to me signaled they were gonna duck it. But who knows.

If they go into the tax this year, they can't half-ass it. Get a Barnes/Hield type and go deeper into the tax. There's no real point being $4 million or so over the tax line, might as well duck it at that point

I’m sure that’s the battle Brad is having with himself. I think the most likely path is a tax ducking move, but maybe Brad really wants to make a strong signal to the Jay’s.

Winning a playoff series and putting up a good fight in the second round wouldn’t be the worst thing.

That was my goal before the year: second round.

I guess I just have a hard time believing that they've made it pretty clear that they want to move Dennis but also would buy. I guess you can move Dennis and still buy at the deadline, but not many players make around $5 million that are as good as him.

I guess you can point to moving Smart or J Rich to get that, but when those two signed extensions here, I took that as they were only going to be moved for Beal in a sign and trade or star trade next offseason. I still think moving those two in-season is a little unrealistic, unless they can find players who are A. better and B. under contract long-term, which is probably unlikely.

I'm sure they want playmaking and shooting, the roster desperately needs it. But again, I think the big changes for the roster will come in the offseason (hopefully for Beal or at least another star or star-esque player).

[Andrew McCeltic]

Trade board post: Schroeder/JRich for Horton-Tucker and Nunn

If you could add on Nunn to Phoenix for Jalen Smith... that's a something is better than nothing deal for them, but..

Even if a different team took Nunn's money (like 5 million), we cut three million in salary this year, open up minutes for Romeo and Nesmith and add an up and down 21 year old who's flashed "star" talent in LA.

[snowman]

If I were GM:

Keepers:
Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams would be almost untouchable.
Smart, (because of just signing his extension) Richardson, (same) and Langford would probably be safe until the off-season and see what shakes out. They would definitely be available for trade this off season.
Grant Williams, Nesmith and Pritchard would be available but would have to be a god-father type deal (offer I couldn't refuse) to move them.
I would sign Hauser to a minimum 4 year deal this off-season.

This deadline moves:
I try to move Hernangomez and a 2nd or two if needed, to any team under the salary cap for a fake 2nd to get under the tax. (OKC, Mem, NO, Char, SA, NY, Orl, Dal and Det are all far enough under the lux tax that Hernangomez's salary will not put them in the tax)
I look to move Schroder, since he is going to ask for much more than I am willing to commit to. (Schroder to Denver for Jeff Green or to Phoenix for Jalen Smith))
I offer Horford and our 2022 lotto protected 1st and our 2024 top 20 protected 1st to Indiana for Miles Turner. Turner and Rob Williams would be a swat fest on defense for us. On offense, Turner can spread the floor and Rob can work top of the key with his passing. Both would be able to get lobs from either side. It would look like a beach volleyball match with all the dunks.

Off-season moves:
If Horford is not traded by the deadline, I release him and hire him as my big man coach, if allowable under CBA rules. (Saves 12 million off cap)
Freedom and Fernando are FAs. I do not look to resign them.

[Curmudgeon]

Juancho, Schroder, cash and a top 10 protected first to OKC for Luguentz Dort. OKC is not only below the cap, they are $22M below the 90% minimum salary so they have to pay that amount to their existing players in any event. So all the deal costs them is a roster spot and Dort. It seems to me that a protected first is fair compensation for Dort, who will want to get paid next year.

Meanwhile, the Celtics get way under the tax line and get a promising young Schroder replacement. I prefer Dort to Theo Maladon. Maladon is cost controlled for an extra year, but Dort is a better player.

I also don't mind if the protections lapse, but not until 2024.

[Larry_Russell]

Juancho, Schroder, cash and a top 10 protected first to OKC for Luguentz Dort. OKC is not only below the cap, they are $22M below the 90% minimum salary so they have to pay that amount to their existing players in any event. So all the deal costs them is a roster spot and Dort. It seems to me that a protected first is fair compensation for Dort, who will want to get paid next year.

Meanwhile, the Celtics get way under the tax line and get a promising young Schroder replacement. I prefer Dort to Theo Maladon. Maladon is cost controlled for an extra year, but Dort is a better player.

I also don't mind if the protections lapse, but not until 2024.

Love dort

[zoyathedestroya]

Where's the thread for Team Stand Pat? You're perfect just the way you are, Cs. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise lol.

[Feed Your Head]

Where's the thread for Team Stand Pat? You're perfect just the way you are, Cs. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise lol.

I’m actually curious, what would you look to do at the deadline, if you were Brad?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Juancho, Schroder, cash and a top 10 protected first to OKC for Luguentz Dort. OKC is not only below the cap, they are $22M below the 90% minimum salary so they have to pay that amount to their existing players in any event. So all the deal costs them is a roster spot and Dort. It seems to me that a protected first is fair compensation for Dort, who will want to get paid next year.

Meanwhile, the Celtics get way under the tax line and get a promising young Schroder replacement. I prefer Dort to Theo Maladon. Maladon is cost controlled for an extra year, but Dort is a better player.

I also don't mind if the protections lapse, but not until 2024.

Love dort

Smart/Dort would be crazy good defensively.. but I don't see Presti giving him up unless they have a third team to give up a pick for Schroeder. Dort's not a Schroder replacement, either, he's a 2/3. He's also improving offensively - so why wouldn't OKC just pay him? Think any decision would wait until they see where they're drafting.

[Ben-N1ce]

Smart at PG Dort a SG and people complain about floor spacing now? That will surely take pressure off the J's.

[Larry_Russell]

Smart at PG Dort a SG and people complain about floor spacing now? That will surely take pressure off the J's.

For me, dort makes smart more expendible

[fallguy]

I wonder if SGA has itchy feet.

[Curmudgeon]

For starters, I don't think shooting is Boston's main problem. In fact, over the last 10 games or so, the Celtics as a team have the highest efg percentage in the league.

The problem is turnovers. The Celtics are 23rd in the league in turnovers and they are also in the bottom five in assists. They are not a good passing team and they don't protect the ball. And the two feed off each other: the inability and/or unwillingness to pass leads to more turnovers.

These are not problems easily fixed in trades, since the biggest culprits are the two untouchables.

[fallguy]

For starters, I don't think shooting is Boston's main problem. In fact, over the last 10 games or so, the Celtics as a team have the highest efg percentage in the league.

The problem is turnovers. The Celtics are 23rd in the league in turnovers and they are also in the bottom five in assists. They are not a good passing team and they don't protect the ball. And the two feed off each other: the inability and/or unwillingness to pass leads to more turnovers.

These are not problems easily fixed in trades, since the biggest culprits are the two untouchables.

Talent is the biggest problem.
Coaching is a big problem.
Player development is a big problem.
Shooting is a problem.

Turnovers are a symptom of the problem. But they're not the problem. Not even close. But you seem incapable of doing anything but blaming Brown and Tatum for everything. Therefore this post.

[Jaqua92]

If I were GM:

Keepers:
Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams would be almost untouchable.
Smart, (because of just signing his extension) Richardson, (same) and Langford would probably be safe until the off-season and see what shakes out. They would definitely be available for trade this off season.
Grant Williams, Nesmith and Pritchard would be available but would have to be a god-father type deal (offer I couldn't refuse) to move them.
I would sign Hauser to a minimum 4 year deal this off-season.

This deadline moves:
I try to move Hernangomez and a 2nd or two if needed, to any team under the salary cap for a fake 2nd to get under the tax. (OKC, Mem, NO, Char, SA, NY, Orl, Dal and Det are all far enough under the lux tax that Hernangomez's salary will not put them in the tax)
I look to move Schroder, since he is going to ask for much more than I am willing to commit to. (Schroder to Denver for Jeff Green or to Phoenix for Jalen Smith))
I offer Horford and our 2022 lotto protected 1st and our 2024 top 20 protected 1st to Indiana for Miles Turner. Turner and Rob Williams would be a swat fest on defense for us. On offense, Turner can spread the floor and Rob can work top of the key with his passing. Both would be able to get lobs from either side. It would look like a beach volleyball match with all the dunks.

Off-season moves:
If Horford is not traded by the deadline, I release him and hire him as my big man coach, if allowable under CBA rules. (Saves 12 million off cap)
Freedom and Fernando are FAs. I do not look to resign them.

Yikes.

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[zoyathedestroya]

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Does this get us under tax? Is Dozier injured? Always liked him.

[zoyathedestroya]

Where's the thread for Team Stand Pat? You're perfect just the way you are, Cs. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise lol.

I’m actually curious, what would you look to do at the deadline, if you were Brad?

Trade Juancho for Bol Bol and Dozier.

[Shak_Celts]

Welcome back Dozier? POBO.