2020 NBA Draft Thread

100proof · Post #181 » by **100proof** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:31 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Eh, he's a better Robert Williams. I can get those players outside the lottery.

Yeah. Alot better robert williams.

Bigger, longer, more athletic, higher iq, durable, has the makings of a 3point shot, has post up moves.

Post #182 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:34 am

Eh, 20 minutes a night on any team I'm in charge of. Protect the rim and catch some lobs. We're not clogging the post with you on offense with your cute dipsy-do post moves.

He took one three and missed it.

themoneyteam2 · Post #183 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:53 am

Wiseman is vastly superior to Robert Williams lol. Take off the green goggles

Post #184 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:56 am

Let me rephrase. He's a slightly better Nerlens Noel/Clint Capela/Mitch Robinson/insert other tall athletic guy who I don't want handling the ball or getting in the way of my wings. Maybe.

Homerclease · Post #185 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 12:59 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Let me rephrase. He's a slightly better Nerlens Noel/Clint Capela/Mitch Robinson/insert other tall athletic guy who I don't want handling the ball or getting in the way of my wings. Maybe.

I think you’re underselling Wiseman by quite a bit here.

Post #186 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:01 am

Maybe. I just don't value his archetype at all. It's a 20-25 minutes per game kind of player and I don't want him on the floor when the game matters. I don't think having a high usage big is valuable.

Homerclease · Post #187 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:04 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Maybe. I just don't value his archetype at all. It's a 20-25 minutes per game kind of player and I don't want him on the floor when the game matters. I don't think having a high usage big is valuable.

Could be, I don’t view him as super high usage either though. I think his ceiling is something along the lines of AD light or a Gobert with more skill on the offensive end. Kid has DPOY tools without being a complete zero on offense like Gobert

reload141 · Post #188 » by **reload141** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:12 am

Can we just draft another star player please? We deserve it after the Kings screwed us last year and it seems like Memphis is doing the same this year.

big-shot-ROB · Post #189 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 8:32 am

Wiseman defense is far to inconsistent. He has no chance of staying in front of switches. Gobert-lite is out of his stratosphere even with his ceiling outcome. And AD, LOL. AD has one of the craziest touch and body agility&coordination we've seen on a big, Wiseman is not really close to that.

Wiseman outcome likely looks at the production Ayton will produce.

cloverleaf · Post #190 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 10:30 am

100proof wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:Eh, he's a better Robert Williams. I can get those players outside the lottery.

Yeah. Alot better robert williams.

Bigger, longer, more athletic, higher iq, durable, has the makings of a 3point shot, has post up moves.

Watch on YouTube

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Okay, he's got the size, no doubt and this was high school.

But folks here are also sleeping on Rob.

Wiseman could be a modern day Parish and Rob a modern day Perk. (Both covering out to the 3.)

Homerclease · Post #191 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 11:08 am

big-shot-ROB wrote:Wiseman defense is far to inconsistent. He has no chance of staying in front of switches. Gobert-lite is out of his stratosphere even with his ceiling outcome. And AD, LOL. AD has one of the craziest touch and body agility&coordination we've seen on a big, Wiseman is not really close to that.

Wiseman outcome likely looks at the production Ayton will produce.

You should try reading my post again.

Curmudgeon · Post #192 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 1:59 pm

Why are we discussing Wiseman? The Celtics' chances of getting him are around .0001 percent.

Homerclease · Post #193 » by **Homerclease** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 2:02 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Why are we discussing Wiseman? The Celtics' chances of getting him are around .0001 percent.

Because the title of the thread is 2020 NBA draft thread and not, we can only discuss who may be available for the Celtics

Post #194 » by **snowman** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 2:18 pm

Celtics_History_Lesson wrote:
Disinformation wrote:
100proof wrote:

Ah doing account audits today, brain is not in a joking mood I guess. lol

It probably wasn't a very good joke.

Those are always good jokes.

The minor problem was you went with "Thon Maker's son".

Grandson would have been more believable.

17, 23, 30, 45, 53, could be many picks for a draft with not a lot of good, especially where Celtics need it.

Will suggest Gonzaga and Arizona have some of the more useful prospects, considering what the Celtics need.

You can get an athletic power forward from one of them and an outside shooting power forward from the other.

[b]Celtics have no NBA-size power forwards on the current roster.[/b]

Actually we do, they just play center on this team. (Theis and R. Williams)

Post #195 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 2:20 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Why are we discussing Wiseman? The Celtics' chances of getting him are around .0001 percent.

He could easily fall out of the lottery. He's just some overhyped tall guy who wasn't even smart enough to hide his money from the NCAA, not a good look for him. And this is the 2020 NBA Draft Thread, and presumably Wiseman will enter this draft.

But I agree, Celtics wouldn't draft him unless he fell to like pick 25 or something.

themoneyteam2 · Post #196 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 4:52 pm

Zero chance he falls out of lottery unless he suffers an injury. Actually, zero chance he falls out of top 10.

And about 95% chance he’s a top 5 pick

“Overhyped tall guy” lol. It’s painfully obvious who has actually watched these prospects play basketball. Yikes!

100proof · Post #197 » by **100proof** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 5:08 pm

Wouldnt pick wiseman unless he is at 25 or something?

That crazy talk

Someone with young dwight howard athletic abilty, strength and defensive upside coupled with low post offense and a jumper with very good form translateable out to 3pt line.

Exactly the rype of center this team could use.

Everything we all like about theis, wiseman has better.

themoneyteam2 · Post #198 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 5:38 pm

100proof wrote:Wouldnt pick wiseman unless he is at 25 or something?

That crazy talk

Someone with young dwight howard athletic abilty, strength and defensive upside coupled with low post offense and a jumper with very good form translateable out to 3pt line.

Exactly the rype of center this team could use.

Everything we all like about theis, wiseman has better.

Yep it’s asinine to say he will fall out of the lottery (barring injury) and that Celtics would only take him after 25. It’s honestly just an uninformed opinion and is a red flag to us to just ignore that poster since it’s clear he isn’t all that knowledgeable about the draft prospects (which is fine, just don’t pretend you know)

It’s abundantly clear who has actually watched him and who has watched any of these prospects play.

There’s a tiny chance he falls out of top 5 and no chance he’s out of top 10.

Post #199 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 9:39 pm

100proof wrote:Wouldnt pick wiseman unless he is at 25 or something?

That crazy talk

Someone with young dwight howard athletic abilty, strength and defensive upside coupled with low post offense and a jumper with very good form translateable out to 3pt line.

Exactly the rype of center this team could use.

Everything we all like about theis, wiseman has better.

Like I said I loathe this type of player and put zero value on it. He's played like 100 minutes of NCAA basketball and looks very stiff in his hips, poor hands, does he have any post moves besides just being taller and longer than his competition. I don't like players like this. If you get him in the top-5 you grossly overpaid; if you get him at 20 and use him as a 20-25 mpg rimrunner who gets the **** out of the way of the real offensive players, great. But if you draft him top-5, you are basically saying that you want to forcefeed him touches. Get centers who post up out of the god damn league, please.

Of course he's not falling to 25, teams took DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley over Luka Doncic; teams are inept as ****, especially the ones who find themselves in the lottery every year. But for me, I don't value a guy like Wiseman at all. Maybe Vlade Divac does or whoever is in charge for the Suns or Hawks. They sure have been killing it, one of these teams will win 40 games this decade I can just feel it.

But like you guys say, I haven't seen him much, haven't scouted his high school recruiting games like you, and I've seen none of the AAU tape. I've just seen the highlights and the first Memphis game this year. He's soft, has no post moves, has he ever made a pass? Took jumpers (??) from the perimeter when he had tiny guards on him.

themoneyteam2 · Post #200 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Mar 6, 2020 11:21 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:
100proof wrote:Wouldnt pick wiseman unless he is at 25 or something?

That crazy talk

Someone with young dwight howard athletic abilty, strength and defensive upside coupled with low post offense and a jumper with very good form translateable out to 3pt line.

Exactly the rype of center this team could use.

Everything we all like about theis, wiseman has better.

Like I said I loathe this type of player and put zero value on it. He's played like 100 minutes of NCAA basketball and looks very stiff in his hips, poor hands, does he have any post moves besides just being taller and longer than his competition. I don't like players like this. If you get him in the top-5 you grossly overpaid; if you get him at 20 and use him as a 20-25 mpg rimrunner who gets the **** out of the way of the real offensive players, great. But if you draft him top-5, you are basically saying that you want to forcefeed him touches. Get centers who post up out of the god damn league, please.

Of course he's not falling to 25, teams took DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley over Luka Doncic; teams are inept as ****, especially the ones who find themselves in the lottery every year. But for me, I don't value a guy like Wiseman at all. Maybe Vlade Divac does or whoever is in charge for the Suns or Hawks. They sure have been killing it, one of these teams will win 40 games this decade I can just feel it.

But like you guys say, I haven't seen him much, haven't scouted his high school recruiting games like you, and I've seen none of the AAU tape. I've just seen the highlights and the first Memphis game this year. He's soft, has no post moves, has he ever made a pass? Took jumpers (??) from the perimeter when he had tiny guards on him.

Wiseman isn't the traditional "center who posts up" which is the attraction with him. 7-1 240 athletic center but has guard skills. Needs to work on his shot obviously but has good form and 70% FT (limited sample size) is a good sign.

I don't see the issue in taking Ayton #1. Same type of player who doesn't need to post up to be effective and can shoot. I'll take 16/10 from my top 5 pick anyday but that's just me. Obviously with hindsight you take Luka all day - and I would have taken Luka over Bagley coming out.

Just a difference of players we like. I don't think either of us will back off our opinion haha no hard feelings!