Kawhi update thread 2.0

[Tai]

Nah its mostly the fans around here that are saying that. So desperate for a name, any name to be traded here. Same story and all you have to do is go read the threads about Jimmy Butler and Paul George.

Its the same exact discussion just with a different player. Rinse and repeat.

Except Kawhi >>>> George/Butler. Completely different league as a player.

Irrelevant. The ridiculous trade proposals back then continue to today. They never take into account contracts, injury issues, player personalities etc, current team setup.

They just see a name and go crazy.

It's irrelevant that Kawhi is much better than George/Butler? Even on the player personality thing, I never got how a quiet guy like Kawhi prefers LA where TMZ is floating around every corner, as opposed to play in a work bucket place like Boston?

I think this topic has covered everything you say isn't being taken into account, assuming you're actually reading and not just taking the other side of the extreme you say you hate.

[Tai]

Since this was brought up later in the topic, I also need someone to help me understand the "value" of Fultz. Why would the Spurs be enamored with him after what they had to go through with Kawhi? I think the Spurs just "leak" that talks aren't getting far until the Sixers up their ante. Also, if the Sixers truly still believe in Fultz, do they really give him up for Kawhi to just walk anyway? Personally, I think if Kawhi agrees to stay anywhere but LA, Boston has the best shot and will ultimately give the deal that includes Brown, which trumps what the Sixers can give.

The only way the Sixers IMO get Kawhi is if he says yes to Philly but no to Boston, and does anyone really see that happening?

[ViperGTS]

Except Kawhi >>>> George/Butler. Completely different league as a player.

Irrelevant. The ridiculous trade proposals back then continue to today. They never take into account contracts, injury issues, player personalities etc, current team setup.

They just see a name and go crazy.

It's irrelevant that Kawhi is much better than George/Butler? Even on the player personality thing, I never got how a quiet guy like Kawhi prefers LA where TMZ is floating around every corner, as opposed to play in a work bucket place like Boston?

I think this topic has covered everything you say isn't being taken into account, assuming you're actually reading and not just taking the other side of the extreme you say you hate.

True it has been covered. However, not by those who will willingly advocate for ridiculous trades that get others believing such nonsense. As far as it being irrelevant, its true because they are the same type of ideas as before. Kinda of like the boy who cried wolf.

Its not just limited to those here, which is the scary thing. Holley wants to trade Brown with no assurances. Sherrod would do Kyrie AND Brown for Leonard. Thats the craziness (irresponsibility?) that I’m talking about.

[Tai]

Irrelevant. The ridiculous trade proposals back then continue to today. They never take into account contracts, injury issues, player personalities etc, current team setup.

They just see a name and go crazy.

It's irrelevant that Kawhi is much better than George/Butler? Even on the player personality thing, I never got how a quiet guy like Kawhi prefers LA where TMZ is floating around every corner, as opposed to play in a work bucket place like Boston?

I think this topic has covered everything you say isn't being taken into account, assuming you're actually reading and not just taking the other side of the extreme you say you hate.

True it has been covered. However, not by those who will willingly advocate for ridiculous trades that get others believing such nonsense. As far as it being irrelevant, its true because they are the same type of ideas as before. Kinda of like the boy who cried wolf.

Its not just limited to those here, which is the scary thing. Holley wants to trade Brown with no assurances. Sherrod would do Kyrie AND Brown for Leonard. Thats the craziness (irresponsibility?) that I’m talking about.

Oh...I thought you just meant on this board, who gives a rip about what talking heads say?

Of course Kyrie AND Brown for Kawhi would be stupid (as he actually said that? I honestly can't re-call). I can't imagine someone suggesting that here and not getting chastised. For the most part, it seems the majority either want to stand pat or at least want some signal from Kawhi that he's remotely interested in Boston before offering a real deal.I see Rozier/Smart, Morris, and picks thrown around a lot (maybe this is also what you mean) even though there's no way the Spurs are giving up Kawhi for that poo poo platter.

But either way, if the Celtics are going to make a big trade for anyone, I'd like to think Kawhi is much more worth it than George/Butler, or even Kyrie was.

[Roddy]

Two threads and almost 200 pages....still dont want this guy.

[ViperGTS]

It's irrelevant that Kawhi is much better than George/Butler? Even on the player personality thing, I never got how a quiet guy like Kawhi prefers LA where TMZ is floating around every corner, as opposed to play in a work bucket place like Boston?

I think this topic has covered everything you say isn't being taken into account, assuming you're actually reading and not just taking the other side of the extreme you say you hate.

True it has been covered. However, not by those who will willingly advocate for ridiculous trades that get others believing such nonsense. As far as it being irrelevant, its true because they are the same type of ideas as before. Kinda of like the boy who cried wolf.

Its not just limited to those here, which is the scary thing. Holley wants to trade Brown with no assurances. Sherrod would do Kyrie AND Brown for Leonard. Thats the craziness (irresponsibility?) that I’m talking about.

Oh...I thought you just meant on this board, who gives a rip about what talking heads say?

Of course Kyrie AND Brown for Kawhi would be stupid (as he actually said that? I honestly can't re-call). I can't imagine someone suggesting that here and not getting chastised. For the most part, it seems the majority either want to stand pat or at least want some signal from Kawhi that he's remotely interested in Boston before offering a real deal.I see Rozier/Smart, Morris, and picks thrown around a lot (maybe this is also what you mean) even though there's no way the Spurs are giving up Kawhi for that poo poo platter.

But either way, if the Celtics are going to make a big trade for anyone, I'd like to think Kawhi is much more worth it than George/Butler, or even Kyrie was.

Heres Sherrod.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/would-it-take-kyrie-irving-and-jaylen-brown-trade-kawhi-leonard

Granted I’ve seen him crucified but its still ridiculous.

[Wes-J]

It's just getting to the point of where I want him just to spite LA and LeBron's grand plan.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Does this mean anything at all or am I being paranoid?

GoCeltics123 posted this in the Hayward thread.

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I don't want to like be a conspiracy theorist but the same is being done to Lebron jerseys this past week I saw on the Cavs forums.

This is just inventory management— we are likely releasing a new alternate jersey this year and Haywards jerseys likely didnt sell as expected due to his injury. Now they want to dump the jerseys.

[FlatearthZorro]

Does this mean anything at all or am I being paranoid?

GoCeltics123 posted this in the Hayward thread.

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I don't want to like be a conspiracy theorist but the same is being done to Lebron jerseys this past week I saw on the Cavs forums.

This is just inventory management— we are likely releasing a new alternate jersey this year and Haywards jerseys likely didnt sell as expected due to his injury. Now they want to dump the jerseys.

Hyward's jersey was 12th or 13th among all players. It got way upp when he joined the C's even after the unfortunate injury. That of course doesn't exclude the alternate jersey coming out soon, making this 1 worthless.

[klemen4]

More and more I think about it I'm picking Brown (+assets) over Leonard, even resigned.

In the end imo Lakers trade a package of Ingram, picks, Deng for Kawhi...and I will not be mad

[FlatearthZorro]

More and more I think about it I'm picking Brown (+assets) over Leonard, even resigned.

In the end imo Lakers trade a package of Ingram, picks, Deng for Kawhi...and I will not be mad

The Spurs are in a position to ask for much more as they know Kawhi is resigning there. I think Kuzma, Ingram, picks will be the package.

[Moose23]

Even better

Edit actually better source

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[claycarver]

Saw this, not sure if it's accurate but hey why not? Post em if you got em as long as it's not Dan Lifshatz.

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Yeah, I didn't understand that about going to LA in the first place. I get he wants to go home but he doesn't strike me as the Showtime kind of guy.

If Kryie's dad and Kawhi's uncle are close (and Kawhi's uncle is advising him) I'm surprised Kawhi isn't dreading a trade to the Lakers.

[Tiny ball]

Two threads and almost 200 pages....still dont want this guy.

I don't want him also. Sure on the cheap Rosier our first round pick Nader type thing.

[jmr07019]

I don't understand what the Lakers are waiting for or what the hold up is.

Deng, Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, picks to Spurs

Kawhi, Danny Green to Lakers

Lakers then only have 4 other guys under contract each making under 2 million. They would have roughly 65 million in cap space. Sign LeBron and either George or CP3, DeAndre Jordan (if he opts out), or Cousins. Or they could pass on a max FA and use the cap space to sign 2 guys like Bradley and Randle. Regardless seems like a very attractive route for them and the best package the Spurs could hope for.

[Crossy2008]

I think this is a rare scenario where your typical package for a superstar isn't what the Spurs are looking for. They are not ready for a rebuild yet. The Lakers offering a bunch of young guys isn't as intriguing as a return of solid veteran all-star level starters. Also, Kuzma would infuriate Pop with his defense.

[Tiny ball]

More and more I think about it I'm picking Brown (+assets) over Leonard, even resigned.

In the end imo Lakers trade a package of Ingram, picks, Deng for Kawhi...and I will not be mad

Let the Lakers have him. They can beat up the warriors for us.

[Tiny ball]

I think this is a rare scenario where your typical package for a superstar isn't what the Spurs are looking for. They are not ready for a rebuild yet. The Lakers offering a bunch of young guys isn't as intriguing as a return of solid veteran all-star level starters. Also, Kuzma would infuriate Pop with his defense.

It is time to rebuild that mess. Take the young guys and move on.

[KGboss]

I think this is a rare scenario where your typical package for a superstar isn't what the Spurs are looking for. They are not ready for a rebuild yet. The Lakers offering a bunch of young guys isn't as intriguing as a return of solid veteran all-star level starters. Also, Kuzma would infuriate Pop with his defense.

It is time to rebuild that mess. Take the young guys and move on.

What we think should happen and where the spurs want to be may be different. The smart move is to rebuild but maybe they think their window isnt closed if they can get the right return.

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[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I don't understand what the Lakers are waiting for or what the hold up is.

Deng, Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, picks to Spurs

Kawhi, Danny Green to Lakers

Lakers then only have 4 other guys under contract each making under 2 million. They would have roughly 65 million in cap space. Sign LeBron and either George or CP3, DeAndre Jordan (if he opts out), or Cousins. Or they could pass on a max FA and use the cap space to sign 2 guys like Bradley and Randle. Regardless seems like a very attractive route for them and the best package the Spurs could hope for.

Lakers are better off waiting. They are already getting Geroge and Lebron so just wait a year and sign KL.

Here is what I think happens:
PG signs with the Lakers (no way he is staying in OKC with those chuckers Melo and Westbrook) Lebron joins him then KL comes to LA next year and the Lakers keep all their younger players.