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Re: What now? 

Post#221 » by WadeItOut » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:18 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
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ParticleMan wrote:i don't think Jaylen will rock SL. he doesn't have the sort of feel for the game where he can just step on the floor and dominate. people have to realize he's a project. huge upside, but a huge project.


100% disagree. And you are the first one I have even say make this claim. One of Jaylen's strengths reported by basically everyone is that he has the athelticism/skillset/body to immediately contribute in the NBA.

Ingram on the other hand needs a Muscle Farm gift card.


he's physically ready but i watched him a lot at Cal, he just doesn't have a great feel for the game. that's partly coaching, i think cuonzo martin is a hack who's a great recruiter but not much else (reminds me of todd bozeman). but he wasn't that dominant in college and the only way he did dominate was to simply overpower people. that will happen less in SL, and even less in the NBA.

i hope i'm wrong, but i see him as a 12-15 mpg guy next year, not a 25mpg top of the rotation player. don't get me wrong i'm not down on the kid at all, i'm totally on board with the pick. but he's going to need some coaching and experience to be able to use those physical gifts.


I think he has a better feel than anyone other than like Dunn in the top 10. I saw every game at Cal like most as well. So agree to disagree.
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Re: What now? 

Post#222 » by threrf23 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:19 pm

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It's exciting, yes. But as far as trade value for projecting a players' career off of SL, only fans think that GM. GMs are to smart for that.


Generally speaking, you are right. But all situations are unique. This guy is already considered a top prospect. In part due to his maturity and his ability as a politician and his showing in workouts, there are probably some front offices who were in love with Jaylen when we drafted him. Lakers, for example, brought him in for two workouts and were rumored to be looking to trade D'Angelo Russell for a second high pick so they could draft him.

Now, consider the contracts that guys like Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, and Solomon Hill have been landing this offseason. And consider Jaylen Brown's contract. There are likely GMs who want the guy but just need a little bit of reassurance before they can justify a strong pursuit. A good SL performance can provide that reassurance.
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Re: What now? 

Post#223 » by ParticleMan » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:20 pm

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ParticleMan wrote:
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100% disagree. And you are the first one I have even say make this claim. One of Jaylen's strengths reported by basically everyone is that he has the athelticism/skillset/body to immediately contribute in the NBA.

Ingram on the other hand needs a Muscle Farm gift card.


he's physically ready but i watched him a lot at Cal, he just doesn't have a great feel for the game. that's partly coaching, i think cuonzo martin is a hack who's a great recruiter but not much else (reminds me of todd bozeman). but he wasn't that dominant in college and the only way he did dominate was to simply overpower people. that will happen less in SL, and even less in the NBA.

i hope i'm wrong, but i see him as a 12-15 mpg guy next year, not a 25mpg top of the rotation player. don't get me wrong i'm not down on the kid at all, i'm totally on board with the pick. but he's going to need some coaching and experience to be able to use those physical gifts.


I think he has a better feel than anyone other than like Dunn in the top 10. I saw every game at Cal like most as well. So agree to disagree.


yup... and i hope you're right :)
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Re: What now? 

Post#224 » by Froob » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:21 pm

emkeyfour wrote:What would it take to get Anthony Davis

He's signed for four more seasons. I'd say hes practically untradable for two more years at least.
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Re: What now? 

Post#225 » by bbd24 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:21 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
WadeItOut wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:i don't think Jaylen will rock SL. he doesn't have the sort of feel for the game where he can just step on the floor and dominate. people have to realize he's a project. huge upside, but a huge project.


100% disagree. And you are the first one I have even say make this claim. One of Jaylen's strengths reported by basically everyone is that he has the athelticism/skillset/body to immediately contribute in the NBA.

Ingram on the other hand needs a Muscle Farm gift card.


he's physically ready but i watched him a lot at Cal, he just doesn't have a great feel for the game. that's partly coaching, i think cuonzo martin is a hack who's a great recruiter but not much else (reminds me of todd bozeman). but he wasn't that dominant in college and the only way he did dominate was to simply overpower people. that will happen less in SL, and even less in the NBA.

i hope i'm wrong, but i see him as a 12-15 mpg guy next year, not a 25mpg top of the rotation player. don't get me wrong i'm not down on the kid at all, i'm totally on board with the pick. but he's going to need some coaching and experience to be able to use those physical gifts.


I think you're right. You have to wait it out on this player. I'm more intrigued next summer with Brown. I'm more interested in seeing the 2nd year player developments. Specifically, Rozier. Rozier is going to ball out
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Re: What now? 

Post#226 » by WadeItOut » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:22 pm

Too elaborate, I think his skills on defense, slashing ability, and ambidexterity in ball handling/going to the rim will help him early on in his career while he finishes developing his jump shot.

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.
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Re: What now? 

Post#227 » by DakoBarr » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:25 pm

I'm optimistic about Brown tonight. He's a project, but I think his floor is higher than he's getting credit for.
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Post#228 » by 31to6 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:25 pm

I wasn't saying that tonight's summer league performance casts the die on Jaylen's career. But for those of us crying over Durant (and I'd include myself) it'd be nice to see him show some flashes. For those of us hankering to move whatever we can, now, for Westbrook/Boogie/Harden/Love/Butler (and I don't include myself here) -- those guys, other than Butler, were all drafted right around where we took Jaylen and right around where we can reasonably hope to draft for the next year or two while winning 50 or so games.
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Post#229 » by chakdaddy » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:27 pm

31to6 wrote:Harden was taken 3rd.
Westbrook 4th.
Cousins 5th.

The cost of acquiring any of them would be *very* high and they're varying degrees of selfish (all), lazy (Harden), and/or sociopathic (only DMC here).

I know the Afams of the world don't want to hear it but we just drafted someone #3 and can hope to draft top 5 the next two years as well while winning 50+ games.

Losing out on KD is a blow but it means the most important part of our day, by far, is how Jaylen Brown looks in the summer league.

Patience. We have an amazing opportunity here if Danny can pick the right guys and ownership can have the patience to see it through.



We drafted a trash prospect at #3 just like we would have at 6th or whatever pick we would have been given in those lotteries. There's no point until the league stops trying to mock us by making us runner up in every lotto or fa tease.
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Re: What now? 

Post#230 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:30 pm

WadeItOut wrote:Too elaborate, I think his skills on defense, slashing ability, and ambidexterity in ball handling/going to the rim will help him early on in his career while he finishes developing his jump shot.

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.

I only watched one complete game of Brown's. If he has a straight line to the rim he can destroy the rim. The game I saw, though, he didn't have a lot of shake to his game, so he committed several offensive charge fouls. This differs from a guy like Dunn, who has the herky-jerky, stop and change direction stuff in his game. I hope I'm wrong about this. It was, after all, only one game.
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Post#231 » by WadeItOut » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:31 pm

chakdaddy wrote:We drafted a trash prospect at #3


Lol. A former top national prospect out of highschool, and a consensus top 5-7 draft pick. But sure. Total trash prospect.

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WadeItOut wrote:Too elaborate, I think his skills on defense, slashing ability, and ambidexterity in ball handling/going to the rim will help him early on in his career while he finishes developing his jump shot.

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.

I only watched one complete game of Brown's. If he has a straight line to the rim he can destroy the rim. The game I saw, though, he didn't have a lot of shake to his game, so he committed several offensive charge fouls. This differs from a guy like Dunn, who has the herky-jerky, stop and change direction stuff in his game. I hope I'm wrong about this. It was, after all, only one game.


One of those two players is a SF with a massive wingspan, and the other is a point guard.
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Post#232 » by DakoBarr » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:34 pm

Also, Dunn is older than Brown.
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Re: What now? 

Post#233 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:38 pm

WadeItOut wrote:
chakdaddy wrote:We drafted a trash prospect at #3


Lol. A former top national prospect out of highschool, and a consensus top 5-7 draft pick. But sure. Total trash prospect.

Mencius wrote:
WadeItOut wrote:Too elaborate, I think his skills on defense, slashing ability, and ambidexterity in ball handling/going to the rim will help him early on in his career while he finishes developing his jump shot.

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.

I only watched one complete game of Brown's. If he has a straight line to the rim he can destroy the rim. The game I saw, though, he didn't have a lot of shake to his game, so he committed several offensive charge fouls. This differs from a guy like Dunn, who has the herky-jerky, stop and change direction stuff in his game. I hope I'm wrong about this. It was, after all, only one game.


One of those two players is a SF with a massive wingspan, and the other is a point guard.

Does not address my observation about his game. He either has good change of direction while driving ability or he doesn't. There are, after all SFs who do. Having seen all his Cal games, does he or doesn't he?
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Re: What now? 

Post#234 » by GuyClinch » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:38 pm

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.


This. I think the hope from Ainge is that the Cal experience set back his development and caused him to fall in the draft. Before Cal he looked better then Ingram and as good as Simmons.

Ainge could be right because Cal is just a very intellectual place - that places low emphasis on basketball, IMHO. Those idealistic guys aren't really interested in the big man on campus. It's not a great place historically (cept for Kidd) but the program is in a bad way now..

Was a pretty big mistake to go there if you want to be drafted #1. No doubt cause he is smart he thought he would enjoy the atmosphere over there.. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense if its a one and done thing. But its his life..
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Post#235 » by ViperGTS » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:38 pm

Brown will be the best of the top 5. Especially with Stevens coaching? Oh boy.

Plus whoever had the Ingram and Muscle Farm comment? F-ing brilliant. That kid is gonna get destroyed. Holy cow he is tiny. His body won't be able to keep up. At least I don't think so.
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Re: What now? 

Post#236 » by chakdaddy » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:40 pm

WadeItOut wrote:
chakdaddy wrote:We drafted a trash prospect at #3


Lol. A former top national prospect out of highschool, and a consensus top 5-7 draft pick. But sure. Total trash prospect.

Mencius wrote:
WadeItOut wrote:Too elaborate, I think his skills on defense, slashing ability, and ambidexterity in ball handling/going to the rim will help him early on in his career while he finishes developing his jump shot.

And everyone who has been following him since he was a top recruit coming out of highschool knows he was a far better shooter before Cal.

I only watched one complete game of Brown's. If he has a straight line to the rim he can destroy the rim. The game I saw, though, he didn't have a lot of shake to his game, so he committed several offensive charge fouls. This differs from a guy like Dunn, who has the herky-jerky, stop and change direction stuff in his game. I hope I'm wrong about this. It was, after all, only one game.


One of those two players is a SF with a massive wingspan, and the other is a point guard.


Trash is exaggeration but worth about pick #12 in a normal draft . Which is about as good as we'll ever be allowed.
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Post#237 » by KumaJG » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:40 pm

Trust the process and hope we can sign Griffin or Westbrook next season
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Re: What now? 

Post#238 » by Darth Celtic » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:40 pm

emkeyfour wrote:What would it take to get Anthony Davis


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Post#239 » by GuyClinch » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:42 pm

Does not address my observation about his game. He either has good change of direction ability or he doesn't. There are, after all SFs who do. Having seen all his Cal games, does he or doesn't he?


This is a little unfair - Brown is not going to be as shifty as guys like Wall or IT2. Shawn Marion wasn't that shifty and he was an all-star. Not doubt Dunn has some crazy change of direction ability - he was just sick at times. But Brown is going to play alot more Bully ball - think like Lebron..
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Post#240 » by return2glory » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:43 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
return2glory wrote:Why is everyone talking about how Jaylan Brown looks in SL? SL doesn't define your career.

Just ask James Young


Just ask KO. He was really good in SL now he sits at the end of the bench worried about if he should have his hair in a pony tail or a bun.

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