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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#241 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 11:20 pm

phincsfan wrote:I really don't think the euro stash thing works. And I'm not just using Yam and JB as examples. I think for the most part they don't really pan out in the NBA. And for this Celtics roster, building the bench up is paramount. The core of the team (JT, JB and White) are all paid and still young. I'd rather go the G-League route with an overseas player but IMO, most of the 2nd rounders would rather be stashed overseas and get paid more than lets say an Anton Watson deal. Get targets for the system which we know shooting is important. Stashing them takes away the ability to get them in the system and work on what they want them to work and how they want them to work on it. It's like a machine.

This years draft in the 2nd rd will have a bunch of babies (age wise :D )compared to Rico and Anton. Plus there will be a few Euro's who are playing in college so IMO those guys are already settled in the states (Krivas and the Ivisic brothers). A quick look it seems the average age of mocked 2nd rounders is 21/22).

I posted earlier that unless a major target slips to the C's slot, I would trade back in the 2nd for another 2nd and a future 1st. Great scenario would be Charlotte's 2nd, possibly their rights to Denver's 2nd and the rights to their Dallas 2027 1st which is protected for 1 and 2. Charlotte is gonna have to fill roster slots next year especially since Grant is out. Rico obviously was a target that dropped and Stevens had no problem locking him up to that rookie deal. I'd rather a target than a reach in the 1st. A reach in the 2nd is fine because of the contract and control they will have won't be bad to the cap. And you never know, any 2nd rounder could turn out to be that guy who just needed the right NBA system to thrive.

Having three 2nds in this draft would be nice and it increases the odds of hitting on at least one to become a contributor during the J's window. I'd rather all three be in Maine developing with maybe one becoming a piece to replace a Springer and/or XMan. Not necessarily position wise just contributing wise.

Walsh is looking like he's gonna be a hit. Neems made up for the Begarin pick since they both were drafted in 21'. Peterson WILL be a hit. I've been on his bandwagon for a while. Rico's real chance will be next season. Watson may have a chance next year. But adding three more prospects increases those odds of hitting.

The kid Tyrese Proctor was mentioned before and I think a 2nd on him would be interesting. Steven's respects Duke, he has real good size, good shooter and a PG. Something I'd like to see Boston get in the system.

Nikola Jokic, Larry Bird, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Bojan Bogdanovic, Bogdan Bogdanovic,... I'm sure there are many more examples I'm forgetting.

Besides, the point of a draft and stash isn't necessarily that you get a potential future contributor with the guy you pick it's that because you keep open a roster spot, you get to try out two prospects essentially. If the Celtics don't draft Begarin but go for a player they need to roster immediately, they don't have a two way deal left to offer to Sam Hauser and he's probably raining threes for the Heat right now.

So if you want the Celtics to get a bunch of prospects to increase their probability of hitting on one, draft and stash is actually the way to go.

Tatum, Brown, White, Porzingis, Holiday, Pritchard, Scheierman, Queta, Tillman and Walsh are all under contract next season. There's every reason to believe that Horford and Kornet will be back too. Davison and Springer will be restricted free agents but even if they don't bring them back, since you believe that Peterson is a hit and they'll keep him around that's 13 rosters spots accounted for. 14 realistically since I have a hard time seeing them cutting Watson loose after a season consiering how patient they have been with their two way guys in recent years. As currently constructed, I just don't see how the Celtics can have room for three draft picks this summer.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#242 » by phincsfan » Wed Dec 4, 2024 11:43 pm

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phincsfan wrote:I really don't think the euro stash thing works. And I'm not just using Yam and JB as examples. I think for the most part they don't really pan out in the NBA. And for this Celtics roster, building the bench up is paramount. The core of the team (JT, JB and White) are all paid and still young. I'd rather go the G-League route with an overseas player but IMO, most of the 2nd rounders would rather be stashed overseas and get paid more than lets say an Anton Watson deal. Get targets for the system which we know shooting is important. Stashing them takes away the ability to get them in the system and work on what they want them to work and how they want them to work on it. It's like a machine.

This years draft in the 2nd rd will have a bunch of babies (age wise :D )compared to Rico and Anton. Plus there will be a few Euro's who are playing in college so IMO those guys are already settled in the states (Krivas and the Ivisic brothers). A quick look it seems the average age of mocked 2nd rounders is 21/22).

I posted earlier that unless a major target slips to the C's slot, I would trade back in the 2nd for another 2nd and a future 1st. Great scenario would be Charlotte's 2nd, possibly their rights to Denver's 2nd and the rights to their Dallas 2027 1st which is protected for 1 and 2. Charlotte is gonna have to fill roster slots next year especially since Grant is out. Rico obviously was a target that dropped and Stevens had no problem locking him up to that rookie deal. I'd rather a target than a reach in the 1st. A reach in the 2nd is fine because of the contract and control they will have won't be bad to the cap. And you never know, any 2nd rounder could turn out to be that guy who just needed the right NBA system to thrive.

Having three 2nds in this draft would be nice and it increases the odds of hitting on at least one to become a contributor during the J's window. I'd rather all three be in Maine developing with maybe one becoming a piece to replace a Springer and/or XMan. Not necessarily position wise just contributing wise.

Walsh is looking like he's gonna be a hit. Neems made up for the Begarin pick since they both were drafted in 21'. Peterson WILL be a hit. I've been on his bandwagon for a while. Rico's real chance will be next season. Watson may have a chance next year. But adding three more prospects increases those odds of hitting.

The kid Tyrese Proctor was mentioned before and I think a 2nd on him would be interesting. Steven's respects Duke, he has real good size, good shooter and a PG. Something I'd like to see Boston get in the system.

Nikola Jokic, Larry Bird, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Bojan Bogdanovic, Bogdan Bogdanovic,... I'm sure there are many more examples I'm forgetting.

Besides, the point of a draft and stash isn't necessarily that you get a potential future contributor with the guy you pick it's that because you keep open a roster spot, you get to try out two prospects essentially. If the Celtics don't draft Begarin but go for a player they need to roster immediately, they don't have a two way deal left to offer to Sam Hauser and he's probably raining threes for the Heat right now.

So if you want the Celtics to get a bunch of prospects to increase their probability of hitting on one, draft and stash is actually the way to go.

Tatum, Brown, White, Porzingis, Holiday, Pritchard, Scheierman, Queta, Tillman and Walsh are all under contract next season. There's every reason to believe that Horford and Kornet will be back too. Davison and Springer will be restricted free agents but even if they don't bring them back, since you believe that Peterson is a hit and they'll keep him around that's 13 rosters spots accounted for. 14 realistically since I have a hard time seeing them cutting Watson loose after a season consiering how patient they have been with their two way guys in recent years. As currently constructed, I just don't see how the Celtics can have room for three draft picks this summer.


Joker was stashed for 1 year, Bird played 1 more year in college after he was drafted, Robinson was in the military because he had to fulfill his active duty, Gasol 1 year.

The Bogdanovic twins were stashed for like 5 years.

IMO, Joker was the outlier that everybody missed on.

Do you know Gasol's story? He was in the states and played HS ball in Tenn. He was going to be a beast and he had american exposure. He wanted to get paid because the D-League was trash compared to what he would get paid to play in Spain at that time.

And if we have to stash guys like the Bogdanovic twins for 5 years to just be rotational players I'll pass on that.
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Post#243 » by phincsfan » Wed Dec 4, 2024 11:49 pm

And the NIL will start to cause international players to play in the NCAA. A few are already here. I don't think they can get paid yet, but I'm sure that will change and when it does all the international stars may very well be on american TV alot.
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Post#244 » by Hal14 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 1:51 pm

phincsfan wrote:And the NIL will start to cause international players to play in the NCAA. A few are already here. I don't think they can get paid yet, but I'm sure that will change and when it does all the international stars may very well be on american TV alot.

They weren't getting paid before but I think starting this season, international guys are getting paid NIL too.

Which is part of the reason why so many high profile international guys came over to NCAA this season (Kasparas jakucionis, Egor Demin, Tomislav Ivisic, Fedor Zugic, etc.)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#245 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri Dec 6, 2024 9:32 am


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Post#246 » by Dogen » Fri Dec 6, 2024 5:24 pm

phincsfan wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:I don't understand this. There's the same number of guys drafted before the Celtics pick regardless of where they come from no ? So how does that affect the probability of someone sliding or is it just guys from the US that can slide ?


Well if you want to draft purely for upside Joan Beringer is probably the guy for you. Turned 18 this month and is already playing real minutes in one of the toughest leagues in the world which is really impressive considering he started playing basketball at 15. The downside is that he is years away from contributing on a contender but the Celtics have shown recently that they can be patient bringing guys along (see JD Davison for instance). Here he is in action during his last game:


After taking a couple of 5 year college players this year, I wouldn't mind alternating with a high upside/high risk young Euro big that can be stashed. We need another JB. Joan Beringer could hang out with Juhann Begarin and study Jaylen Brown.

Also would be nice to have a 6-10 rim runner to give us that Timelord vibe again. He could be stashed for a year if picked in 2nd round, then brought over to play in Maine. Basically a guy for the 2027 season when the team is reloading.


I really don't think the euro stash thing works. And I'm not just using Yam and JB as examples. I think for the most part they don't really pan out in the NBA. And for this Celtics roster, building the bench up is paramount. The core of the team (JT, JB and White) are all paid and still young. I'd rather go the G-League route with an overseas player but IMO, most of the 2nd rounders would rather be stashed overseas and get paid more than lets say an Anton Watson deal. Get targets for the system which we know shooting is important. Stashing them takes away the ability to get them in the system and work on what they want them to work and how they want them to work on it. It's like a machine.

This years draft in the 2nd rd will have a bunch of babies (age wise :D )compared to Rico and Anton. Plus there will be a few Euro's who are playing in college so IMO those guys are already settled in the states (Krivas and the Ivisic brothers). A quick look it seems the average age of mocked 2nd rounders is 21/22).

I posted earlier that unless a major target slips to the C's slot, I would trade back in the 2nd for another 2nd and a future 1st. Great scenario would be Charlotte's 2nd, possibly their rights to Denver's 2nd and the rights to their Dallas 2027 1st which is protected for 1 and 2. Charlotte is gonna have to fill roster slots next year especially since Grant is out. Rico obviously was a target that dropped and Stevens had no problem locking him up to that rookie deal. I'd rather a target than a reach in the 1st. A reach in the 2nd is fine because of the contract and control they will have won't be bad to the cap. And you never know, any 2nd rounder could turn out to be that guy who just needed the right NBA system to thrive.

Having three 2nds in this draft would be nice and it increases the odds of hitting on at least one to become a contributor during the J's window. I'd rather all three be in Maine developing with maybe one becoming a piece to replace a Springer and/or XMan. Not necessarily position wise just contributing wise.

Walsh is looking like he's gonna be a hit. Neems made up for the Begarin pick since they both were drafted in 21'. Peterson WILL be a hit. I've been on his bandwagon for a while. Rico's real chance will be next season. Watson may have a chance next year. But adding three more prospects increases those odds of hitting.

The kid Tyrese Proctor was mentioned before and I think a 2nd on him would be interesting. Steven's respects Duke, he has real good size, good shooter and a PG. Something I'd like to see Boston get in the system.


Good points here. I don't think the Euro stash route has worked well for the Celtics either.

However, At this point the G-League pipeline is also quite full. If you are correct about the mentioned players Rico, Peterson, Watson, as well as Walsh already there (and some decision about JD) all being readied for the big league next year, that would open up spots in Maine, but there aren't enough spaces on the Celtics for all those guys.

Let's assume 1 of them, like Peterson, gets a regular contract, and a few of the Maine players move on. That opens up a spot or two for a young development big, either from Europe or US. Having a Euro player already in a US college is an advantage, true.
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Post#247 » by threrf23 » Fri Dec 6, 2024 6:19 pm

phincsfan wrote:
Joker was stashed for 1 year, Bird played 1 more year in college after he was drafted, Robinson was in the military because he had to fulfill his active duty, Gasol 1 year.

The Bogdanovic twins were stashed for like 5 years.

IMO, Joker was the outlier that everybody missed on.

Do you know Gasol's story? He was in the states and played HS ball in Tenn. He was going to be a beast and he had american exposure. He wanted to get paid because the D-League was trash compared to what he would get paid to play in Spain at that time.

And if we have to stash guys like the Bogdanovic twins for 5 years to just be rotational players I'll pass on that.


I could be wrong but I recall reading that immediately after he was drafted, Jokic received a call from the Nuggets and was surprised to find out that they wanted him in Denver, not stashed overseas.

Not that he didn't play another year in Europe, but IMO there is a real difference between drafting someone with the intent of stashing them, versus simply waiting for them to come over while they fulfill contractual obligations, or serve in the military, or whatever. Not sure about the Bogs' or Gasol, but I'm not sure any of these guys were drafted with the intent of being stashed anywhere.

I am not against stashing players per se, but I generally don't like the idea of drafting someone because they can be stashed. If they are worth a draft pick, they should be worth a roster spot. If they are not worth a draft pick, might as well trade the draft pick? I guess there can be a middle ground where it's better to hold on to a player's rights than to receive the petty cash considerations or future seconds that would be had in a trade. But if you simply want to audition multiple fringe prospects, there are lots of free agents (incl UDFA) that can be freely auditioned as is.

edit I think you are saying similar. I concur.
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Post#248 » by phincsfan » Fri Dec 6, 2024 7:42 pm

Dogen wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Dogen wrote:
After taking a couple of 5 year college players this year, I wouldn't mind alternating with a high upside/high risk young Euro big that can be stashed. We need another JB. Joan Beringer could hang out with Juhann Begarin and study Jaylen Brown.

Also would be nice to have a 6-10 rim runner to give us that Timelord vibe again. He could be stashed for a year if picked in 2nd round, then brought over to play in Maine. Basically a guy for the 2027 season when the team is reloading.


I really don't think the euro stash thing works. And I'm not just using Yam and JB as examples. I think for the most part they don't really pan out in the NBA. And for this Celtics roster, building the bench up is paramount. The core of the team (JT, JB and White) are all paid and still young. I'd rather go the G-League route with an overseas player but IMO, most of the 2nd rounders would rather be stashed overseas and get paid more than lets say an Anton Watson deal. Get targets for the system which we know shooting is important. Stashing them takes away the ability to get them in the system and work on what they want them to work and how they want them to work on it. It's like a machine.

This years draft in the 2nd rd will have a bunch of babies (age wise :D )compared to Rico and Anton. Plus there will be a few Euro's who are playing in college so IMO those guys are already settled in the states (Krivas and the Ivisic brothers). A quick look it seems the average age of mocked 2nd rounders is 21/22).

I posted earlier that unless a major target slips to the C's slot, I would trade back in the 2nd for another 2nd and a future 1st. Great scenario would be Charlotte's 2nd, possibly their rights to Denver's 2nd and the rights to their Dallas 2027 1st which is protected for 1 and 2. Charlotte is gonna have to fill roster slots next year especially since Grant is out. Rico obviously was a target that dropped and Stevens had no problem locking him up to that rookie deal. I'd rather a target than a reach in the 1st. A reach in the 2nd is fine because of the contract and control they will have won't be bad to the cap. And you never know, any 2nd rounder could turn out to be that guy who just needed the right NBA system to thrive.

Having three 2nds in this draft would be nice and it increases the odds of hitting on at least one to become a contributor during the J's window. I'd rather all three be in Maine developing with maybe one becoming a piece to replace a Springer and/or XMan. Not necessarily position wise just contributing wise.

Walsh is looking like he's gonna be a hit. Neems made up for the Begarin pick since they both were drafted in 21'. Peterson WILL be a hit. I've been on his bandwagon for a while. Rico's real chance will be next season. Watson may have a chance next year. But adding three more prospects increases those odds of hitting.

The kid Tyrese Proctor was mentioned before and I think a 2nd on him would be interesting. Steven's respects Duke, he has real good size, good shooter and a PG. Something I'd like to see Boston get in the system.


Good points here. I don't think the Euro stash route has worked well for the Celtics either.

However, At this point the G-League pipeline is also quite full. If you are correct about the mentioned players Rico, Peterson, Watson, as well as Walsh already there (and some decision about JD) all being readied for the big league next year, that would open up spots in Maine, but there aren't enough spaces on the Celtics for all those guys.

Let's assume 1 of them, like Peterson, gets a regular contract, and a few of the Maine players move on. That opens up a spot or two for a young development big, either from Europe or US. Having a Euro player already in a US college is an advantage, true.


It is filling up but having guys go through Maine and then play in Boston makes them assets. It’s not a big sample size but Stevens has taken guys from Miami and SA’s system. Maybe he trusts what they’re doing or maybe he just likes the player(s). He drafts Walsh and he’s getting big club minutes. Peterson is getting big club minutes. Now Stevens is possibly looked at as developing NBA players. Where Stevens has picked guys up for nothing, he can turn players like that into trade pieces.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Luke leaves and Xman gets traded. If Peterson keeps playing well his contract will be peanuts like Sam’s was.

Maybe the C’s euro stash was Joe Wieskamp who’s in Australia? It’s gonna be another fun offseason.
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Post#249 » by phincsfan » Fri Dec 6, 2024 7:44 pm

threrf23 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Joker was stashed for 1 year, Bird played 1 more year in college after he was drafted, Robinson was in the military because he had to fulfill his active duty, Gasol 1 year.

The Bogdanovic twins were stashed for like 5 years.

IMO, Joker was the outlier that everybody missed on.

Do you know Gasol's story? He was in the states and played HS ball in Tenn. He was going to be a beast and he had american exposure. He wanted to get paid because the D-League was trash compared to what he would get paid to play in Spain at that time.

And if we have to stash guys like the Bogdanovic twins for 5 years to just be rotational players I'll pass on that.


I could be wrong but I recall reading that immediately after he was drafted, Jokic received a call from the Nuggets and was surprised to find out that they wanted him in Denver, not stashed overseas.

Not that he didn't play another year in Europe, but IMO there is a real difference between drafting someone with the intent of stashing them, versus simply waiting for them to come over while they fulfill contractual obligations, or serve in the military, or whatever. Not sure about the Bogs' or Gasol, but I'm not sure any of these guys were drafted with the intent of being stashed anywhere.

I am not against stashing players per se, but I generally don't like the idea of drafting someone because they can be stashed. If they are worth a draft pick, they should be worth a roster spot. If they are not worth a draft pick, might as well trade the draft pick? I guess there can be a middle ground where it's better to hold on to a player's rights than to receive the petty cash considerations or future seconds that would be had in a trade. But if you simply want to audition multiple fringe prospects, there are lots of free agents (incl UDFA) that can be freely auditioned as is.

edit I think you are saying similar. I concur.


Not familiar with the Joker situation. The Gasol one i remember.
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Post#250 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Dec 6, 2024 7:49 pm

Celts select Ian Jackson & Joson Sanon at #30 & #31 in new mock from Wasserman at Bleacher Report

Draft
1- Cooper Flagg (SF/PF)- Washington Wizards
2- Dylan Harper (PG/SG)- New Orleans Pelicans
3- Ace Bailey (SG/SF)- Utah Jazz
4- VJ Edgecombe (SG/SF)- Philadelphia 76ers
5- Tre Johnson (SG)- Charlotte Hornets
6- Kasparas Jakucionis (PG)- Toronto Raptors
7- Nolan Traore (PG)- Portland Trail Blazers
8- Khaman Malauch (C)- Detroit Pistons
9- Kon Knueppel (SG/SF)- Indiana Pacers
10- Egor Demin (PG/SG)- Chicago Bulls
11- Boogie Fland (PG)- Sacramento Kings
12- Ben Saraf (SG)- Utah Jazz via Minnesota Timberwolves
13- Liam McNeeley (SF)- San Antonio Spurs
14- Asa Newell (PF/C)- Atlanta Hawks (via Los Angeles Lakers
15- Noa Essengue (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets
16- Drake Powell (SG)- OKC Thunder via Bulls
17- Jeremiah Fears (PG)- San Antonio Spurs via Hawks
18- Thomas Sorber (C)- Brooklyn Nets (via Milwaukee Bucks)
19- Collin Murray-Boyles (PF)- Orlando Magic via Denver Nuggets
20- Miles Byrd (SF)- Golden State Warriors
21- Hugo Gonzalez (SG/SF)- Houston Rockets via Phoenix Suns
22- Will Riley (SG)- OKC Thunder via Los Angeles Clippers
23- Labaron Philon (PG)- Brooklyn Nets (via New York Knicks)
24- Nique Clifford (SF/PF)- Memphis Grizzlies
25- Adou Thiero (SF/PF)- Dallas Mavericks
26- Rocco Zikarsky (C)- Orlando Magic
27- Noah Penda (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets (via Houston Rockets)
28- Derik Queen (PF/C)- Los Angeles Clippers (via OKC Thunder)
29- Ian Jackson (SG)- Boston Celtics
30 - Rasheer Fleming (PF) - Utah Jazz
31 - Joson Sanon (SG) - Boston Celtics

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145090-2025-nba-mock-draft-pro-comparisons-and-full-2-round-predictions
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Post#251 » by Hal14 » Fri Dec 6, 2024 9:04 pm

phincsfan wrote:Maybe the C’s euro stash was Joe Wieskamp who’s in Australia?

The C's aren't stashing Wieskamp. He wasn't drafted by us or even on a 2-way for us. He was just on a maine celtics contract. That contract ran out over the summer, so he was a FA and simply chose to sign with a team in Australia, clearly because he wasn't offered a contract by an NBA team..

He seems to be a good fit over there, btw. Wouldn't surprise me if he stays in the NBL for awhile..
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Post#252 » by phincsfan » Fri Dec 6, 2024 11:16 pm

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phincsfan wrote:Maybe the C’s euro stash was Joe Wieskamp who’s in Australia?

The C's aren't stashing Wieskamp. He wasn't drafted by us or even on a 2-way for us. He was just on a maine celtics contract. That contract ran out over the summer, so he was a FA and simply chose to sign with a team in Australia, clearly because he wasn't offered a contract by an NBA team..

He seems to be a good fit over there, btw. Wouldn't surprise me if he stays in the NBL for awhile..


I didn’t mean literally. Sort of like a wink wink
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Post#253 » by 165bows » Sat Dec 7, 2024 12:01 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Celts select Ian Jackson & Joson Sanon at #30 & #31 in new mock from Wasserman at Bleacher Report

Draft
1- Cooper Flagg (SF/PF)- Washington Wizards
2- Dylan Harper (PG/SG)- New Orleans Pelicans
3- Ace Bailey (SG/SF)- Utah Jazz
4- VJ Edgecombe (SG/SF)- Philadelphia 76ers
5- Tre Johnson (SG)- Charlotte Hornets
6- Kasparas Jakucionis (PG)- Toronto Raptors
7- Nolan Traore (PG)- Portland Trail Blazers
8- Khaman Malauch (C)- Detroit Pistons
9- Kon Knueppel (SG/SF)- Indiana Pacers
10- Egor Demin (PG/SG)- Chicago Bulls
11- Boogie Fland (PG)- Sacramento Kings
12- Ben Saraf (SG)- Utah Jazz via Minnesota Timberwolves
13- Liam McNeeley (SF)- San Antonio Spurs
14- Asa Newell (PF/C)- Atlanta Hawks (via Los Angeles Lakers
15- Noa Essengue (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets
16- Drake Powell (SG)- OKC Thunder via Bulls
17- Jeremiah Fears (PG)- San Antonio Spurs via Hawks
18- Thomas Sorber (C)- Brooklyn Nets (via Milwaukee Bucks)
19- Collin Murray-Boyles (PF)- Orlando Magic via Denver Nuggets
20- Miles Byrd (SF)- Golden State Warriors
21- Hugo Gonzalez (SG/SF)- Houston Rockets via Phoenix Suns
22- Will Riley (SG)- OKC Thunder via Los Angeles Clippers
23- Labaron Philon (PG)- Brooklyn Nets (via New York Knicks)
24- Nique Clifford (SF/PF)- Memphis Grizzlies
25- Adou Thiero (SF/PF)- Dallas Mavericks
26- Rocco Zikarsky (C)- Orlando Magic
27- Noah Penda (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets (via Houston Rockets)
28- Derik Queen (PF/C)- Los Angeles Clippers (via OKC Thunder)
29- Ian Jackson (SG)- Boston Celtics
30 - Rasheer Fleming (PF) - Utah Jazz
31 - Joson Sanon (SG) - Boston Celtics

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145090-2025-nba-mock-draft-pro-comparisons-and-full-2-round-predictions

They don’t tend to go after pure 2-guards, but interesting nonetheless. Tempted to say I’m more interested in Kalkbrenner and Fleming (who I wasn’t familiar with) in that group of guys.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#254 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Dec 7, 2024 12:12 am

Heck yea, Fleming looks super interesting as a wing/bigman hybrid. Not great assist numbers but great frame (6-9, 240), physical, good shooter, records blocks + steals (stocks) and just an interesting early prospect as a guy who can play 3-4-5 in various lineups. Super interesting.



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redslastlaugh wrote:Celts select Ian Jackson & Joson Sanon at #30 & #31 in new mock from Wasserman at Bleacher Report

Draft
1- Cooper Flagg (SF/PF)- Washington Wizards
2- Dylan Harper (PG/SG)- New Orleans Pelicans
3- Ace Bailey (SG/SF)- Utah Jazz
4- VJ Edgecombe (SG/SF)- Philadelphia 76ers
5- Tre Johnson (SG)- Charlotte Hornets
6- Kasparas Jakucionis (PG)- Toronto Raptors
7- Nolan Traore (PG)- Portland Trail Blazers
8- Khaman Malauch (C)- Detroit Pistons
9- Kon Knueppel (SG/SF)- Indiana Pacers
10- Egor Demin (PG/SG)- Chicago Bulls
11- Boogie Fland (PG)- Sacramento Kings
12- Ben Saraf (SG)- Utah Jazz via Minnesota Timberwolves
13- Liam McNeeley (SF)- San Antonio Spurs
14- Asa Newell (PF/C)- Atlanta Hawks (via Los Angeles Lakers
15- Noa Essengue (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets
16- Drake Powell (SG)- OKC Thunder via Bulls
17- Jeremiah Fears (PG)- San Antonio Spurs via Hawks
18- Thomas Sorber (C)- Brooklyn Nets (via Milwaukee Bucks)
19- Collin Murray-Boyles (PF)- Orlando Magic via Denver Nuggets
20- Miles Byrd (SF)- Golden State Warriors
21- Hugo Gonzalez (SG/SF)- Houston Rockets via Phoenix Suns
22- Will Riley (SG)- OKC Thunder via Los Angeles Clippers
23- Labaron Philon (PG)- Brooklyn Nets (via New York Knicks)
24- Nique Clifford (SF/PF)- Memphis Grizzlies
25- Adou Thiero (SF/PF)- Dallas Mavericks
26- Rocco Zikarsky (C)- Orlando Magic
27- Noah Penda (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets (via Houston Rockets)
28- Derik Queen (PF/C)- Los Angeles Clippers (via OKC Thunder)
29- Ian Jackson (SG)- Boston Celtics
30 - Rasheer Fleming (PF) - Utah Jazz
31 - Joson Sanon (SG) - Boston Celtics

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145090-2025-nba-mock-draft-pro-comparisons-and-full-2-round-predictions

They don’t tend to go after pure 2-guards, but interesting nonetheless. Tempted to say I’m more interested in Kalkbrenner and Fleming (who I wasn’t familiar with) in that group of guys.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#256 » by brackdan70 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 2:37 pm

I love it. I came here to talk Rasheer Fleming and you guys are already on the job. Really active, good feet for his size. 3 and D big. Long and strong. **** this euro stash bs. This is the guy!!!!
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#257 » by brackdan70 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 2:43 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Heck yea, Fleming looks super interesting as a wing/bigman hybrid. Not great assist numbers but great frame (6-9, 240), physical, good shooter, records blocks + steals (stocks) and just an interesting early prospect as a guy who can play 3-4-5 in various lineups. Super interesting.



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redslastlaugh wrote:Celts select Ian Jackson & Joson Sanon at #30 & #31 in new mock from Wasserman at Bleacher Report

Draft
1- Cooper Flagg (SF/PF)- Washington Wizards
2- Dylan Harper (PG/SG)- New Orleans Pelicans
3- Ace Bailey (SG/SF)- Utah Jazz
4- VJ Edgecombe (SG/SF)- Philadelphia 76ers
5- Tre Johnson (SG)- Charlotte Hornets
6- Kasparas Jakucionis (PG)- Toronto Raptors
7- Nolan Traore (PG)- Portland Trail Blazers
8- Khaman Malauch (C)- Detroit Pistons
9- Kon Knueppel (SG/SF)- Indiana Pacers
10- Egor Demin (PG/SG)- Chicago Bulls
11- Boogie Fland (PG)- Sacramento Kings
12- Ben Saraf (SG)- Utah Jazz via Minnesota Timberwolves
13- Liam McNeeley (SF)- San Antonio Spurs
14- Asa Newell (PF/C)- Atlanta Hawks (via Los Angeles Lakers
15- Noa Essengue (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets
16- Drake Powell (SG)- OKC Thunder via Bulls
17- Jeremiah Fears (PG)- San Antonio Spurs via Hawks
18- Thomas Sorber (C)- Brooklyn Nets (via Milwaukee Bucks)
19- Collin Murray-Boyles (PF)- Orlando Magic via Denver Nuggets
20- Miles Byrd (SF)- Golden State Warriors
21- Hugo Gonzalez (SG/SF)- Houston Rockets via Phoenix Suns
22- Will Riley (SG)- OKC Thunder via Los Angeles Clippers
23- Labaron Philon (PG)- Brooklyn Nets (via New York Knicks)
24- Nique Clifford (SF/PF)- Memphis Grizzlies
25- Adou Thiero (SF/PF)- Dallas Mavericks
26- Rocco Zikarsky (C)- Orlando Magic
27- Noah Penda (SF/PF)- Brooklyn Nets (via Houston Rockets)
28- Derik Queen (PF/C)- Los Angeles Clippers (via OKC Thunder)
29- Ian Jackson (SG)- Boston Celtics
30 - Rasheer Fleming (PF) - Utah Jazz
31 - Joson Sanon (SG) - Boston Celtics

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145090-2025-nba-mock-draft-pro-comparisons-and-full-2-round-predictions

They don’t tend to go after pure 2-guards, but interesting nonetheless. Tempted to say I’m more interested in Kalkbrenner and Fleming (who I wasn’t familiar with) in that group of guys.

I think he is more of a 4/5, with nice jump shot. 3 and D big. Horford light. I really like him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#258 » by phincsfan » Sat Dec 7, 2024 2:51 pm

brackdan70 wrote:I love it. I came here to talk Rasheer Fleming and you guys are already on the job. Really active, good feet for his size. 3 and D big. Long and strong. **** this euro stash bs. This is the guy!!!!


Totally concur on the euro stash bs
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#259 » by phincsfan » Sat Dec 7, 2024 3:41 pm

Keep an eye on Danny Wolf out of Michigan. There were early rumors he may go in the 1st but I don't see him on any mocks so far.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#260 » by 165bows » Sat Dec 7, 2024 4:29 pm

Thought this was a good write up. I think he’s a guy to have on the radar but Al replacement seems way ahead of things.

https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/rasheer-fleming-scouting-report?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

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