Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 11th Heaven

[ConstableGeneva]

Jrue sucks in the playoffs. Dame is a huge upgrade on offense, in which they struggle in the clutch. Bucks going for it. All-in two-year window. He's covered on defense by their frontcourt. This is disappointing to say the least. Fans didn't want Dame because he's old and didn't want Smart (who historically shoots better than Jrue in the postseason; main difference he didn't have Giannis on his team). Now you're pining for Jrue?

Dame-White-Tatum-Porzingis-Williams would've beaten any team in the league.

Having said that, Cs in 5, as long as they're healthy. No further moves necessary.

The Celtics are loaded up and ready to go. Can beat anybody if they can gel this season.

Nevertheless, Jrue would be a great Smart replacement. Better O than Smart, better D than Brogdon.

Hmmm, Marcus career playoff 3pt% is .334, Jrue is .331. So that's a bit of a wash. Good point though, I expected Holiday to be better than Smart on that metric. Overall, Jrue better offensive threat though.

He's also way too expensive for our needs. We struggle on offense late in games. Jrue doesn't help there at all. Probably the main reason why we made the switch from Smart to Porzingis (though Smart of course was the plan B in that trade when Brogdon deal fell through).

Career Playoff TS%: 50.2% (Jrue) vs. 53.2% (Smart). Jrue takes more shots and has higher usage on lower efficiency.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Bucks clear cut favorites now, but the Celtics should be right there, along with the Suns and Nuggets.

Lmao Miami.

[Dogen]

If Bulls blow it up, get Caruso. Way cheaper than Jrue.

I've been putting Kornet and Pritchard in just about every trade proposal. And: they are still available!

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

It wouldn't shock me if Portland keeps Jrue.

He announced this summer that he's gonna retire in 2 yrs when his contract is up. So he probably wants to start decreasing his minutes, play more of a supporting role, more of a mentor role like what Mike Conley has done these past few years.

They could keep him for the next 2 years to mentor Scoot and allow them to ramp up Scoot's minutes. Jrue is big enough that they could play them together at times - plus Scoot isn't a very good defender so if they're out there together, Jrue can defend the backcourt player who's tougher to guard, and Scoot can defend the backcourt player who's easier to defend. That way, it helps Scoot's transition to the NBA so he isn't getting eaten alive as a rookie by Luka and Steph.'

And on offense, Jrue has never really been a true floor general facilitator type of PG. He's always been more of a combo-guard. Not great at collapsing a defense, pressuring the rim (Scoot is), but he is good at hitting 3's off the catch (Scoot is not).

They could complement each other nicely.

Jrue was voted Best Teammate in the NBA for like the last 2 years in a row I think. Who better to mentor Scoot and show him the ropes to increase the chances that Scoot (long term) reaches his ceiling and becomes a true franchise player for Portland? Plus, Portland (after the whole Dame saga) could use a guy on the team to be a calming, steady veteran presence with some leadership to show all those young guys the way.

Between Billups and Jrue, you've got a couple of good leaders there - guys who can be a good example (on the court and off) for those young guys. Jrue (great teammate, good leader, won a ring as starting PG, has been an all-star but was never a true superstar), similar player to Billups, similar build to him. It wouldn't shock me if the 2 of them are already buddies..

THese are all studious points, Hal, but I really expect very strong interest by contenders (especially the Celts) in Jrue at the Deadline,
so I think they will have a great deal of impetus to move him out this season. One of the big issues to take into consideration is
his age: he's already 33, so his value is only going to decrease, past this Deadline. And truthfully, I think he is likely to be more
interested in competing for another Title, than mentoring Scoot. And on the Celtics, he doesn't have to be the stereotypical
floor general, rather an upgraded version of Smart. It's really a perfect fit on Boston for him.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Dame-White-Tatum-Porzingis-Williams would've beaten any team in the league.

But Dame is 15 years older than Jaylen!!

That teams above, rolls to a title.

[BigTrade92]

Wonder if Brad can somehow snag Holiday now….

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Wonder if Brad can somehow snag Holiday now….

Holiday is less efficient than Smart in the playoffs. So the people who complained about Smart, would hate Holiday come the postseason.

[ConstableGeneva]

Dame-White-Tatum-Porzingis-Williams would've beaten any team in the league.

But Dame is 15 years older than Jaylen!!

That teams above, rolls to a title.

It could've been us, but we be playin'. Yay for 10-year windows.

Would be sweet to beat the Bucks again on their home floor though (I expect them to be the 1st seed again).

[BigTrade92]

Wonder if Brad can somehow snag Holiday now….

Holiday is less efficient than Smart in the playoffs. So the people who complained about Smart, would hate Holiday come the postseason.

I also remember him torching the C’s a few times in the postseason. Ebbs and flows.

If there’s a chance to flip Brogdon and picks into Holiday you do that without a doubt.

[Dogen]

Bucks clear cut favorites now, but the Celtics should be right there, along with the Suns.

Lmao Miami.

Let's see how Dame's defense works for the Bucks. They certainly upgraded offensively, but teams in the east seem to exploit smaller guards.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[itrsteve]

Bucks clear cut favorites now, but the Celtics should be right there, along with the Suns.

Lmao Miami.

Good, Celtics are better when considered #2

[Hal14]

Bucks still don't have ANYONE to guard Tatum. And who comes out to challenge Porzingis beyond the arc? White can cover Dame. Wish we had better backup guards than PP/Brogdon on D. Need Stevens to be at least decent on offense so we can throw him at Giannis for 10-15 minutes. Horford, drink your chocolate milk! We will need you again.

Agreed with most of that but I would think Portis and/or Giannis could be the answer to the question in bold..

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Wonder if Brad can somehow snag Holiday now….

Holiday is less efficient than Smart in the playoffs. So the people who complained about Smart, would hate Holiday come the postseason.

Lol. Always a Comedian...

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Bucks clear cut favorites now, but the Celtics should be right there, along with the Suns.

Lmao Miami.

Let's see how Dame's defense works for the Bucks. They certainly upgraded offensively, but teams in the east seem to exploit smaller guards.

The Bucks only weakness was scoring against set defenses in the playoffs. They just replaced a less efficient Marcus Smart, with a top 3 offensive player in the league, who DESTROYS in the half court. They can easily afford his defense, with Giannis and Lopez up front.

They are absolutely the favorites, which is why Vegas already moved them ahead of anyone.

This doesn’t mean the Celtics can’t win, they absolutely can, as Tatum wrecks them, and the Bucks lost one of the main guys they throw at him. The path just got a fair amount harder though, there’s no way anyone can argue with that.

[Bar Fight]

Bucks clear cut favorites now, but the Celtics should be right there, along with the Suns.

Lmao Miami.

Good, Celtics are better when considered #2

They were considered #2 last year....and lost to #8

[ConstableGeneva]

Adrian Griffin is unproven. Hopefully he can't hide Dame the way Spo hides his defensive liabilities against us.

[bisme37]

Can't be mad at the Bucks. They made a great move. On behalf of the Celtics I welcome the challenge. Can't wait to see Boston -Milwaukee games this season.

[Dogen]

Jrue sucks in the playoffs. Dame is a huge upgrade on offense, in which they struggle in the clutch. Bucks going for it. All-in two-year window. He's covered on defense by their frontcourt. This is disappointing to say the least. Fans didn't want Dame because he's old and didn't want Smart (who historically shoots better than Jrue in the postseason; main difference he didn't have Giannis on his team). Now you're pining for Jrue?

Dame-White-Tatum-Porzingis-Williams would've beaten any team in the league.

Having said that, Cs in 5, as long as they're healthy. No further moves necessary.

The Celtics are loaded up and ready to go. Can beat anybody if they can gel this season.

Nevertheless, Jrue would be a great Smart replacement. Better O than Smart, better D than Brogdon.

Hmmm, Marcus career playoff 3pt% is .334, Jrue is .331. So that's a bit of a wash. Good point though, I expected Holiday to be better than Smart on that metric. Overall, Jrue better offensive threat though.

He's also way too expensive for our needs. We struggle on offense late in games. Jrue doesn't help there at all. Probably the main reason why we made the switch from Smart to Porzingis (though Smart of course was the plan B in that trade when Brogdon deal fell through).

Career Playoff TS%: 50.2% (Jrue) vs. 53.2% (Smart). Jrue takes more shots and has higher usage on lower efficiency.

I'd still move Brogdon for Jrue, but we don't have other assets I'd be willing to part with, and that Portland would probably want. So, yeah, the cost is too high.

With Brogdon now in Boston, and he and Porzingis reportedly healthy, I'm totally down with this new lovefest mood going into the season. Yet, gotta at least kick the tires when a true vet PG with championship experience suddenly enters the market.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Wonder if Brad can somehow snag Holiday now….

Holiday is less efficient than Smart in the playoffs. So the people who complained about Smart, would hate Holiday come the postseason.

Lol. Always a Comedian...

It’s a fact. Y’all would be screaming about how much Holiday sucks offensively, come playoff time.