Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

[jmr07019]

things would have to collapse fairly significantly for him to want to leave MIL.

Not necessarily. Look at LeBron and Durant.

[bucknersrevenge]

To me, Smart earned the right to remain a starter. His value was so obvious last year throughout the turmoil. And that he did it AFTER he signed the new deal IMO shouldn't be understated. I went to the NBA Draft in 2016 when we drafted him. I knew we were getting a leader and a gamer. With what just happened I just don't see how you tell him to go back to the bench again unless you are getting a player at Kyrie's talent level. His passing is fine enough for primary handling duties but you can expect the Usage to go up a ton for Tatum and Brown anyway so big deal if Smart doesn't look like your traditional lead guard.

So if you have him, the Jay's, Al (if he comes back) where does that leave Hayward. If you put him in the starting lineup, that was the same starting lineup that got its collective ass handed to it to start this last season. Say what you want about Kyrie but he's not responsible for everything. So what's the solution? You have to put our 30M golden boy back on the bench to be a 6th man.

Considering he will still have to prove he's back to himself, from a talent standpoint, it makes sense. But it's getting almost comicial to think we'll have spent $120M on a 6th man. But that's what he'll be. Start Baynes. Let Hayward run the bench crew. No Rozier. Find a new backup PG to play with him, Semi, TimeLord and our draft picks.

I think this is the best we can hope for.

Agree completley on Gordon as 6th man, hopefully Manu style.

I wonder where Smart's head is at with the Kyrie thing. He was Kyrie's most ardent supporter, and playing with Kyrie allowed Smart's game to flourish. Without Kyrie, does Smart try to take on too much offensive responsibility and play beyond his limitations? He has in previous seasons when there were no other options. But, with this team next year, I don't think that's needed.

I'm especially wondering what happens if we bring back Terry and start him. I think Smart handles it fine regardless, but I'm leaning more and more to not keeping both past the deadline. It doesn't make sense to have $24M+ tied up in 2 combo/point guards that you don't have enough minutes to play without going super small since the core of your team is 3 wings needing 30+ minutes each.

Agreed. I forget who proposed it (I think it was Celts17Pride) but if Washington finally decides to bail on Beal, having Rozier starting and being showcased would come in handy with a more conducive salary number.

[FlatearthZorro]

Giannis will probably be in line for a supermax with Milwaukee. Doubt that he leaves.

Nobody leaves that, at the end of his contract he'd be making 50 mils...And 2021 is in 2 seasons, which is a lots of time to "wait".

[FlatearthZorro]

Lakers only need 8 players in the playoffs. If they're smart, they'll use the remaining cap space on two or three high-level role players instead of a max-type guy. Apart from ring-chasing vets who might settle for the minimum, there's always the buyout market. You can luck out with a serviceable veteran that's being benched on a rebuilding team.

One injury to Lebron or AD might book their ticket to lotteryville though. Look at what just happened to the Warriors. You still need depth behind those superstars.

6M for JJ Redick on 2 year deal.
7m for D rose on 2 year deal
6m for Seth Curry on 2 year deal
5 m for Robin Lopez on 1 year deal
vet min for J. Crawford
vet min for C. Anthony
vet min for wilson chandler

I mean, it can be done.

Rose/Crawford
Reddick/Curry
James/Chandler
Anthony/Kuzma
AD/Lopez
Rest of the roster

Team has a 2 year window.

Lopez should easily get around 10 mils/2 years. He can shoot and from what I saw put in a lots of effort into defense. Showed some hustle. I'd bet Seth gets more, too.

I actually expect the Lakers to pay 13-14 mils to M Morris and bring in antoher guy with him ala Curry or B Lopez but that will be it. They will use their MLE and fill out the roster with vets. I think the reason Rich Paul wanted Morris as his client is cause LBJ likes him. Anyways why are we discussing the Lakers in our team's offseason thread. They can do whatever they wanna do. Btw if the Lakers don't sign a guy like Morris Kuzma and LBJ will be in some big time trouble on defense.

[CeltsfaninDC]

things would have to collapse fairly significantly for him to want to leave MIL.

Not necessarily. Look at LeBron and Durant.

OMG he is nothing like those two. He’s made many statements that he wants to stay. DOn’t get your hopes up on him going anywhere

[MagicBagley18]

To me, Smart earned the right to remain a starter. His value was so obvious last year throughout the turmoil. And that he did it AFTER he signed the new deal IMO shouldn't be understated. I went to the NBA Draft in 2016 when we drafted him. I knew we were getting a leader and a gamer. With what just happened I just don't see how you tell him to go back to the bench again unless you are getting a player at Kyrie's talent level. His passing is fine enough for primary handling duties but you can expect the Usage to go up a ton for Tatum and Brown anyway so big deal if Smart doesn't look like your traditional lead guard.

So if you have him, the Jay's, Al (if he comes back) where does that leave Hayward. If you put him in the starting lineup, that was the same starting lineup that got its collective ass handed to it to start this last season. Say what you want about Kyrie but he's not responsible for everything. So what's the solution? You have to put our 30M golden boy back on the bench to be a 6th man.

Considering he will still have to prove he's back to himself, from a talent standpoint, it makes sense. But it's getting almost comicial to think we'll have spent $120M on a 6th man. But that's what he'll be. Start Baynes. Let Hayward run the bench crew. No Rozier. Find a new backup PG to play with him, Semi, TimeLord and our draft picks.

I think this is the best we can hope for.

Agree completley on Gordon as 6th man, hopefully Manu style.

I wonder where Smart's head is at with the Kyrie thing. He was Kyrie's most ardent supporter, and playing with Kyrie allowed Smart's game to flourish. Without Kyrie, does Smart try to take on too much offensive responsibility and play beyond his limitations? He has in previous seasons when there were no other options. But, with this team next year, I don't think that's needed.

I'm especially wondering what happens if we bring back Terry and start him. I think Smart handles it fine regardless, but I'm leaning more and more to not keeping both past the deadline. It doesn't make sense to have $24M+ tied up in 2 combo/point guards that you don't have enough minutes to play without going super small since the core of your team is 3 wings needing 30+ minutes each.

Agreed. I forget who proposed it (I think it was Celts17Pride) but if Washington finally decides to bail on Beal, having Rozier starting and being showcased would come in handy with a more conducive salary number.

Beal would be great but I’m not sure if he becomes available and knowing the pelicans had interest we would be able to beat them out in a deal with brown as the centerpiece and I’m sure other teams have cases to be made as well.

He would be a great get tho. I’d be all for it but if we ain’t including Tatum do we still have the assets to get him?

[JR Hawks]

Just stop

[klemen4]

Talking about Lakers in this thread???

[MagicBagley18]

Ahhh yes Giannis the new white whale gem of danny’s Eyes.....

[Edug27]

Lol... Here we go...

[zoyathedestroya]

I'm actually surprised mods let this get past the 1st page without a legit rumor linking us to Giannis.

[jmr07019]

things would have to collapse fairly significantly for him to want to leave MIL.

Not necessarily. Look at LeBron and Durant.

OMG he is nothing like those two. He’s made many statements that he wants to stay. DOn’t get your hopes up on him going anywhere

Kevin tweeted the following July 2010 right after LeBron went to the Heat.

Read on Twitter

More recently Kyrie wanted to stay in boston. Things change.

[return2glory]

Giannis is not from the United States where it’s becoming more of a Ima do me aka me me me society.

I expect Giannis to resign with the Bucks.

[captain green]

I don't think greek freak is going anywhere he is loyal. Just like Dame and Klay. The organization would have to screw those guys over in order for them to get the slightest notion of leaving. I say this with 99% confidence cause nothing is 100%

[KG and Truth]

2 years is a long time, if Bucks lose in the playoffs the next two years and the roster is basically maxed out because they paid Lopez, Middleton, Brogdon, Bledsoe then I could see him leaving. Maybe getting Bledsoe 17m a year was part of Rich Paul plan to steer Giannis to LAL? J/k

Gonna be tough for C's to be players in FA then. Brown and Tatum will be on 25% maxes by then or close to it, Smart is under contract and I'm sure Celts will pay some guys in the mean time. Good chance Horford is under contract as well.

Never know though.

[Curmudgeon]

Giannis is not from the United States where it’s becoming more of a Ima do me aka me me me society.

I expect Giannis to resign with the Bucks.

I expect him to go to Dallas to play with his brother (and Luka and Porzingis).

[bucknersrevenge]

Agree completley on Gordon as 6th man, hopefully Manu style.

I wonder where Smart's head is at with the Kyrie thing. He was Kyrie's most ardent supporter, and playing with Kyrie allowed Smart's game to flourish. Without Kyrie, does Smart try to take on too much offensive responsibility and play beyond his limitations? He has in previous seasons when there were no other options. But, with this team next year, I don't think that's needed.

I'm especially wondering what happens if we bring back Terry and start him. I think Smart handles it fine regardless, but I'm leaning more and more to not keeping both past the deadline. It doesn't make sense to have $24M+ tied up in 2 combo/point guards that you don't have enough minutes to play without going super small since the core of your team is 3 wings needing 30+ minutes each.

Agreed. I forget who proposed it (I think it was Celts17Pride) but if Washington finally decides to bail on Beal, having Rozier starting and being showcased would come in handy with a more conducive salary number.

Beal would be great but I’m not sure if he becomes available and knowing the pelicans had interest we would be able to beat them out in a deal with brown as the centerpiece and I’m sure other teams have cases to be made as well.

He would be a great get tho. I’d be all for it but if we ain’t including Tatum do we still have the assets to get him?

It would have to be Brown, a re-signed Rozier and filler, pick or whatever or keep it moving. This deal would of course have to be later in the season. I think the deal is 90 days after Rozier signs(?) A nice hything would happen. pothetical of course but Beal would have to ask his way out before anything could happen.

As for NOLA they have some salaries for matching I think but few are really good players at all. They might have to part with some of that draft capital they've acquired to make it worthwhile. Not sure how excited they'd be to do that.

Bottomline: this is so far off in the distance from being something even remotely worth discussing I wonder why I bothered at all.

[jfs1000d]

Lakers only need 8 players in the playoffs. If they're smart, they'll use the remaining cap space on two or three high-level role players instead of a max-type guy. Apart from ring-chasing vets who might settle for the minimum, there's always the buyout market. You can luck out with a serviceable veteran that's being benched on a rebuilding team.

One injury to Lebron or AD might book their ticket to lotteryville though. Look at what just happened to the Warriors. You still need depth behind those superstars.

6M for JJ Redick on 2 year deal.
7m for D rose on 2 year deal
6m for Seth Curry on 2 year deal
5 m for Robin Lopez on 1 year deal
vet min for J. Crawford
vet min for C. Anthony
vet min for wilson chandler

I mean, it can be done.

Rose/Crawford
Reddick/Curry
James/Chandler
Anthony/Kuzma
AD/Lopez
Rest of the roster

Team has a 2 year window.

Reddick, and Seth Curry would be nuts to take that salary level. Same with Robin Lopez. I can see Carmelo go, because he has nowhere else.

[brackdan70]

RHJ at the mid level...talk me down

Or does he get more as a free agent?

[zoyathedestroya]

Let's move on, guys. **** the Lakers.

My bad for getting baited in the discussion.