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Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#421 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed May 29, 2019 3:43 pm

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bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Trade-A-Palooza Deal 2: Becoming Interesting

Smart, 17 & 27 to the Suns for 6, 32 and one of their flawed young players.


Why does Phoenix make this deal?

Smart would fit in well with Booker, adds desperately needed defense, leadership and toughness to a young Suns squad.

Why for the Celtics? They want the 6th pick in this Draft for further maneuvers and likely have to move Smart in any AD Deal.

name me a time where multiple trades were made in the same draft like that by 1 team? Pretty much never seen it.


True Dat, but an AD deal may require an extraordinary amount of peripheral trades... I don't expect it to be solely the Celtics and the Pelicans involved in the final Trade. And I'm tossing out speculations and possibilities.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#422 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed May 29, 2019 3:51 pm

Trade-A-Palooza Deal 4: The White Whale

In the craziest period of Draft Day Trading in NBA history, the Celtics have placed themselves in a position to outbid all others for AD and perhaps replace Kyrie at the same time.

AD Deal 1: Tatum, Ja, Suns young player, Yabs, whatever Cap Ballast for AD.

Who tops Tatum and Ja in a deal?

Not happening.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#423 » by Darth Celtic » Wed May 29, 2019 3:56 pm

We trade for AD, and keep Kyrie, and let Rozier walk, we'll need to keep picks to fill the roster, trading up for a better pick (which makes 0 sense in this draft) is only if we don't make a trade and our roster is full still. Even then i'd try and trade the 20th pick to a playoff team for a future 1st instead.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#424 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:13 pm

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Am I the only one that's not really following this whole 'Boston is burning down' ****? I can't see much happening that would be bad for us. We can literally survive anything that happens and come out as a top 3 team in the East, maybe even more depending on how much damage the Bucks, Raps and Sixers take in free agency ..I think Horford would be the only difficult loss for us to recover from, just because we won't really find any other player who could provide what he does.

Our absolute worst case scenario would be losing all the free agents..Horford, Kyrie, Baynes, Mook and Rozier..at that point you're left with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Hayward, Semi, Robert Williams, 3 first round draft picks and like 40+ mil capspace to spend. I could certainly think of like one or two or twenty teams who would be pretty thrilled to be in such a position.


Al is not getting any younger or more durable such that him opting out altogether potentially isn't the worst thing--if they can indeed bag another max in his place. But leaving the team with an aggregate one All-Star appearance (Gordo's --or say, Gordo's and Al's, but Al can't stay healthy) and having only mid- to late-1st rounders is neither prime rebuilding or likely competitive with the top 3 teams in the East. It is more fluttering about in mediocrity.

That said, I could be up for the right defensive and distributive vet 1 and 5 to team with JB, JT and GH as a three-headed offensive lead. That and the right new coaches on Brad's staff could be interesting. I'd rather see that than a replay of last season that simply returns the dysfunction we just lived through.


I disagree but I think it depends on how you see Tatum and Brown. I see both guys as big time two way players if their usage is right under Brad's system. I like Hayward having a comeback year also. You take Morris, Rozier, Kyrie and Horford off and you build your offense around those 3 really good scorers, with the natural improvement all 3 guys should show and I could see them all posting numbers around the 17-20 ppg area. That could end up being the best big 3 in the East next season if a guy like Butler leaves Philly. Round out the roster with players that can shoot, defend and play a role and you can easily be a very good team.

I also value the draft picks we have more than you do. I don't think having top 5 picks is what makes teams winners..I think hitting on the late ones is really what sets a team up. You look at teams like Phoenix, Sacto, Orlando who seem to always be in the top 8, yet go nowhere..You look at GS and Steph and Klay were high picks, but the key to everything there is Draymond Green who was found late. You look at Denver with Harris. Murray and what set them up to be a contender is that they found Jokic in the second round. Toronto found Siakam at the 27th spot and he is key to them being in the finals outside Kawhi, who was the 15th pick himself. Giannis was the 15th, Middleton the 39th and Brogdon the 36th. You have to be able to hit on these later picks and that is something Danny has failed to do. The last time he hit on a pick that late was Rondo and he was key to us winning a championship and extended our window for about 2-3 years by becoming an All Star. If such a scenario does play out, we have to find a way to strike gold on one of these 3 first round picks. Maybe the hit was already made with Robert Williams also..we will see. I think he will be a very good player soon..

We need a little luck also. Our entire rebuild has been planned out and executed perfectly. The Hayward injury was so unlucky and it kind of destroyed a lot. We need something unexpected to go right for us next year.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#425 » by K For Three » Wed May 29, 2019 6:09 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
Kyrie For Three wrote:
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Am I the only one that's not really following this whole 'Boston is burning down' ****? I can't see much happening that would be bad for us. We can literally survive anything that happens and come out as a top 3 team in the East, maybe even more depending on how much damage the Bucks, Raps and Sixers take in free agency ..I think Horford would be the only difficult loss for us to recover from, just because we won't really find any other player who could provide what he does.

Our absolute worst case scenario would be losing all the free agents..Horford, Kyrie, Baynes, Mook and Rozier..at that point you're left with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Hayward, Semi, Robert Williams, 3 first round draft picks and like 40+ mil capspace to spend. I could certainly think of like one or two or twenty teams who would be pretty thrilled to be in such a position.


lol was literally just a joke on my part since I feel like the kid on the swing waiting for big news to drop this offseason. I sometimes have little patience.

I still expect the Celtics to be a playoff team of some sort but predicting seeding at this point and everything after the expectations of last summer is a waste of time almost.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#426 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed May 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Since this is the place for non AD material, I don't see any way Harden gets moved this off-season, but he's on the clock now and most everyone is eventually traded in the NBA. I think Harden is dealt in the middle between AD and KAT, so sometime in the next two years.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#427 » by Curmudgeon » Thu May 30, 2019 12:18 am

AD and Jrue to Houston for Harden and CP3. Get it done David!
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#428 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu May 30, 2019 1:22 am

Tatum for Simmons... Hmm!

Bill Simmons suggested the trade, and here’s how the exchange went between the three, edited down for conciseness ...

Tjarks: “That’s really interesting. Tatum would be a better fit with (Joel) Embiid for sure. And then Simmons in Boston if Kyrie (Irving) leaves.”

Simmons: “We let Kyrie go. Then we go Simmons, (Gordon) Hayward, Jaylen Brown, whoever the picks are, (Al) Horford and then put the team in Simmons’ hands.”

Tjarks: “That would be fascinating. I would do it.”

O’Connor: "If I’m Philly? Yeah (he’d do it). I would rather have Tatum if I’m Boston.


https://www.nj.com/sixers/2019/05/nba-rumors-ben-simmons-for-jayson-tatum-exploring-sixers-celtics-trade-suggested-by-bill-simmons.html
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#429 » by canman1971 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:38 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Tatum for Simmons... Hmm!

Bill Simmons suggested the trade, and here’s how the exchange went between the three, edited down for conciseness ...

Tjarks: “That’s really interesting. Tatum would be a better fit with (Joel) Embiid for sure. And then Simmons in Boston if Kyrie (Irving) leaves.”

Simmons: “We let Kyrie go. Then we go Simmons, (Gordon) Hayward, Jaylen Brown, whoever the picks are, (Al) Horford and then put the team in Simmons’ hands.”

Tjarks: “That would be fascinating. I would do it.”

O’Connor: "If I’m Philly? Yeah (he’d do it). I would rather have Tatum if I’m Boston.


https://www.nj.com/sixers/2019/05/nba-rumors-ben-simmons-for-jayson-tatum-exploring-sixers-celtics-trade-suggested-by-bill-simmons.html

Simmons' ideas should really never be taken seriously here or anywhere. It's not a rumor. He's really an idiot now.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#430 » by Dannyboy36 » Thu May 30, 2019 2:07 am

He’s not saying it’s a rumor though, right? He’s just talking hypothetically it seems. I mean, I’d love it for us and maybe we could make it a little sweeter for Philly and they’d bite? I dunno. Maybe it’s too far fetched. But it’s just guys talking. I like this kinda stuff.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#431 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu May 30, 2019 2:15 am

Dannyboy36 wrote:He’s not saying it’s a rumor though, right? He’s just talking hypothetically it seems. I mean, I’d love it for us and maybe we could make it a little sweeter for Philly and they’d bite? I dunno. Maybe it’s too far fetched. But it’s just guys talking. I like this kinda stuff.


It's totally happening! It's the NBA version of
Disclosure... See all these UFO reports lately, they are priming the public for the truth, which is out there... :lol:

But seriously, it's an interesting speculation if Kyrie leaves.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#432 » by 3pt % » Thu May 30, 2019 3:37 am

canman1971 wrote:Simmons' ideas should really never be taken seriously here or anywhere. It's not a rumor. He's really an idiot now.


His ideas were never to be taken seriously, he says that himself. He's throwing ideas out as entertainment. Pretty much like we do here, he just does it for a living.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#433 » by Leprechaun18 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:19 am

Nobody knows what is gonna happen not even the management. All the info on mesage boards is just chatter. If and where AD is traded on draft day will determine how things shake out. I just hope the management does not trade too much for AD and then lose him in a year. If you weaken the team too much and dont compete next season for a title, AD would probably leave. All the wishful thinking by Danny and management will not change that.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#434 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu May 30, 2019 6:28 am

Simmons for Tatum is actually interesting..
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#435 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu May 30, 2019 6:29 am

Btw I called it awhile ago, but if we don’t get AD, Danny probably trades Jaylen/Jayson for Harden..
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Post#436 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu May 30, 2019 6:29 am

Also, the ballsiest thing Griffin and Morey could do would be Zion for Harden..
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#437 » by Darthlukey » Thu May 30, 2019 9:06 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Simmons for Tatum is actually interesting..

Indeed it is, though Philly may be apprehensive about trading with us again given how their last trade with us worked out
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#438 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu May 30, 2019 10:31 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Btw I called it awhile ago, but if we don’t get AD, Danny probably trades Jaylen/Jayson for Harden..


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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#439 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu May 30, 2019 10:38 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Btw I called it awhile ago, but if we don’t get AD, Danny probably trades Jaylen/Jayson for Harden..


I doubt he'd trade both, but it's possible. I'd definitely trade Jayson/other players and picks for him. He's 30 tho, and I have a hard time watching him play ball, tbh, tho he's really successful. Also, I'm not sure the Rockets will trade Harden, I highly doubt it. They'll try to dump Paul but it's close to impossible.
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Re: Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019 

Post#440 » by Edug27 » Thu May 30, 2019 10:39 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Also, the ballsiest thing Griffin and Morey could do would be Zion for Harden..


Zion for about 3-4 years of prime Harden?

If Harden were averaging 36 ppg and was 25 years old... ok. I can see that.

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