Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Feed Your Head]

And that's okay. Really that's all you want from Jaylen. Let Smart and Jayson make the high-level reads. Jaylen is here to finish plays.

This times a million. All he needs to do is make the simple reads, and both the offense and Jaylen will benefit.

Four years in the league and Jaylen is just learning this?

Well it’s his sixth year, and that stuff takes time. I’m not optimistic about him consistently making the right read, but who knows.

[Celts17Pride]

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Don’t believe it for a second but in the NBA anything is possible. Put this probability at 0.0%

It’s crazy rumor season

[Curmudgeon]

Jaylen is just like this Celtics team: a tease. They will win around 20 more games this season, and some of the wins will be impressive. Tatum and Brown will have good games. They will lure us into thinking that, with just a tweak here, or a tweak there, they could be a serious contender. But it's an illusion. At the end of the day its a 40 win team, with a first round playoff exit and no lottery pick. How many years does this have to happen before the cycle is broken?

[CelticFaninLBC]

If a player isn't Bird or Magic, Curm wants them dealt asap.

[Feed Your Head]

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Don’t believe it for a second but in the NBA anything is possible. Put this probability at 0.0%

It’s crazy rumor season

0.0% is too high.

Technically anything is possible, but nobody as good as Tatum has ever been traded at his age, as far as I know. There’s probably two guys in the league Tatum would get dealt for.

[Curmudgeon]

If a player isn't Bird or Magic, Curm wants them dealt asap.

Read my signature. I want players who WIN. And if I have to be in the lottery for a few years to get those players, so be it.

[Celts17Pride]

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FWIW.

Don’t believe it for a second but in the NBA anything is possible. Put this probability at 0.0%

It’s crazy rumor season

0.0% is too high.

Technically anything is possible, but nobody as good as Tatum has ever been traded at his age, as far as I know. There’s probably two guys in the league Tatum would get dealt for.

Celtics have 0.0% incentive to trade Tatum right now even if he was unhappy which I strongly doubt

[Curmudgeon]

It's lying season again. And why trade one losing player for another losing player who makes more money?

If Tatum wants out, Tatrum to the Washington Beals for Dinwiddie, Harrell, Avdija and a first rounder makes more sense. Ill even throw in Schroder for nothing.

[CelticFaninLBC]

If a player isn't Bird or Magic, Curm wants them dealt asap.

Read my signature. I want players who WIN. And if I have to be in the lottery for a few years to get those players, so be it.

By your standards, you would have dealt MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Dirk, Steph, and Giannis. None of these guys won titles until at least age 26.

[Bohemian]

Tatum is going nowhere unless Brad is offered someone like Luka or another top 5 player.

As for Brown, I am sure they are taking calls. I doubt they pull the trigger, but they must be listening.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Smart makes a lot of sense for Atlanta, but Smart to ATL, Reddish to CHI, White to BOS isn't enough value for us. Would the Hawks give up Bogdanovic too?

White is a tough player to price, he's been hot lately but you don't know if it's for real, so he could get them someone like Reddish/Schroeder or he could help them get someone like Jerami Grant.

Yep, would need at least a protected FRP from ATL or Jalen Johnson... Smart would really help them.

Also, I'd like for Stevens to get Ayo Dosunmu from Chicago. He may not have Nesmith's shooting touch, but he has some playmaking capability and is shooting 44% from 3 this year. Some of that % is probably due to Chicago being a really good passing and shooting team.

Unless there's a plan to make Smart a 6th man, Boston needs to move on from Smart.

There's no plan to make Smart a sixth man because there's no way to get talent on the roster to make him a sixth man. You have to trade him for a role-player at a different position and a risk-reward young guy at the point. Very very hard to see Boston trading for a point guard upgrade right now, the market isn't there and we don't have the pieces, unless they want to deal Horford+ for John Wall.

[Fencer reregistered]

Jaylen is just like this Celtics team: a tease. They will win around 20 more games this season, and some of the wins will be impressive. Tatum and Brown will have good games. They will lure us into thinking that, with just a tweak here, or a tweak there, they could be a serious contender. But it's an illusion. At the end of the day its a 40 win team, with a first round playoff exit and no lottery pick. How many years does this have to happen before the cycle is broken?

Two?

Last year was the first time it happened in quite a while.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen is just like this Celtics team: a tease. They will win around 20 more games this season, and some of the wins will be impressive. Tatum and Brown will have good games. They will lure us into thinking that, with just a tweak here, or a tweak there, they could be a serious contender. But it's an illusion. At the end of the day its a 40 win team, with a first round playoff exit and no lottery pick. How many years does this have to happen before the cycle is broken?

You couldn’t be happier, it’s a joy to watch. Haven’t seen this kind of unleashed bitterness since ‘05, ‘06.

Tatum and Brown are the guys you keep - the challenge is to upgrade around them without having high draft picks. That’s the problem in Dallas, that’s been the problem in Portland, that was the problem in Washington with Wall/Beal.

We’re on the treadmill, we need the trade market to break our way and we need to get lucky in the draft picking 12-16.

You don’t trade Brown unless it’s a home run or it’s absolutely necessary because you think he’s leaving in free agency. And you don’t trade Tatum unless you’ve bottomed out and have no future.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Smart makes a lot of sense for Atlanta, but Smart to ATL, Reddish to CHI, White to BOS isn't enough value for us. Would the Hawks give up Bogdanovic too?

White is a tough player to price, he's been hot lately but you don't know if it's for real, so he could get them someone like Reddish/Schroeder or he could help them get someone like Jerami Grant.

Yep, would need at least a protected FRP from ATL or Jalen Johnson... Smart would really help them.

Also, I'd like for Stevens to get Ayo Dosunmu from Chicago. He may not have Nesmith's shooting touch, but he has some playmaking capability and is shooting 44% from 3 this year. Some of that % is probably due to Chicago being a really good passing and shooting team.

Unless there's a plan to make Smart a 6th man, Boston needs to move on from Smart.

There's no plan to make Smart a sixth man because there's no way to get talent on the roster to make him a sixth man. You have to trade him for a role-player at a different position and a risk-reward young guy at the point. Very very hard to see Boston trading for a point guard upgrade right now, the market isn't there and we don't have the pieces, unless they want to deal Horford+ for John Wall.

They pretty much have 3 options, because it doesn't look like any well established pg is available, unless they're dealing off Jaylen Brown.

Option 1 - Deal for John Wall and hope he doesn't physically fall apart.
Option 2 - Deal for a pg with upside like Coby White.
Option 3 - Status quo and draft a pg like Ty Ty Washington.

[rd26]

And that's okay. Really that's all you want from Jaylen. Let Smart and Jayson make the high-level reads. Jaylen is here to finish plays.

This times a million. All he needs to do is make the simple reads, and both the offense and Jaylen will benefit.

Four years in the league and Jaylen is just learning this?

Yr 1: defend
Yr2: shoot
Yr3: dribble
Yr4: dribble and shoot
Yr 5: get stats and be an Allstars
Yr 6: pass

Yep, right on track.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It’s harder to leave the middle than the bottom or the top. Portland took a shot - they thought a healthy Zach Collins was going to be a player, he missed too much development time, they hoped Simons would become a star, he hasn’t, but they’ve always been able to get some nice rotation pickups at the deadline, a healthy Nurkic was a difference maker, they had a knack for getting Covington, Nance, Rodney Hood types. They were always one lucky break away until it was too late.

Milwaukee had horrible luck with Jabari’s injuries, but they lucked into George Hill a few years ago, they lucked into Jrue, Brook Lopez was a huge find for them, and they got lucky not only landing Portis but being able to re-up him after a year.

Notice they didn’t trade Giannis.

[rd26]

It’s harder to leave the middle than the bottom or the top. Portland took a shot - they thought a healthy Zach Collins was going to be a player, he missed too much development time, they hoped Simons would become a star, he hasn’t, but they’ve always been able to get some nice rotation pickups at the deadline, a healthy Nurkic was a difference maker, they had a knack for getting Covington, Nance, Rodney Hood types. They were always one lucky break away until it was too late.

Milwaukee had horrible luck with Jabari’s injuries, but they lucked into George Hill a few years ago, they lucked into Jrue, Brook Lopez was a huge find for them, and they got lucky not only landing Portis but being able to re-up him after a year.

Notice they didn’t trade Giannis.

Disagree that they lucked into Jrue, they paid top dollar, and we should have outbid them.

Jrue and Hali were too huge misses imo

[bisme37]

Take this Jaylen haters!

[Curmudgeon]

Tatum is going nowhere unless Brad is offered someone like Luka or another top 5 player.

As for Brown, I am sure they are taking calls. I doubt they pull the trigger, but they must be listening.

Oh I agree, I don't think they are going anywhere. Stevens will take the safe route. Mediocrity is clearly enough for the owners, the Boston sports media and the fans.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yep, would need at least a protected FRP from ATL or Jalen Johnson... Smart would really help them.

Also, I'd like for Stevens to get Ayo Dosunmu from Chicago. He may not have Nesmith's shooting touch, but he has some playmaking capability and is shooting 44% from 3 this year. Some of that % is probably due to Chicago being a really good passing and shooting team.

Unless there's a plan to make Smart a 6th man, Boston needs to move on from Smart.

There's no plan to make Smart a sixth man because there's no way to get talent on the roster to make him a sixth man. You have to trade him for a role-player at a different position and a risk-reward young guy at the point. Very very hard to see Boston trading for a point guard upgrade right now, the market isn't there and we don't have the pieces, unless they want to deal Horford+ for John Wall.

They pretty much have 3 options, because it doesn't look like any well established pg is available, unless they're dealing off Jaylen Brown.

Option 1 - Deal for John Wall and hope he doesn't physically fall apart.
Option 2 - Deal for a pg with upside like Coby White.
Option 3 - Status quo and draft a pg like Ty Ty Washington.

Wall was actually not atrocious and relatively healthy last year, it’s just the money that’s brutal. No way we could get him without going deep, deep into the tax. He’s only a year and a half of bad money at this point, but the cap hit isn’t something you can take on.

Coby would need to go into a huge slump to be attainable for us, he’s been lifting up his floor every day.

Only other hope is for a team to do something stupid. It’s just not a good market for point guards right now - Brogdon? If Indiana moved him, we don’t have the pieces unless they overrate Marcus. Dejounte and Haliburton are out of our price range. Talen Horton Tucker is in that Coby White tier where his value is going to get too high.

I’m hoping there’s a scenario I’m not seeing, but we need to wind up in the right place at the right time to have a shot.

Schroeder for Coby White, if the Bulls get title hungry and worry about his consistency ..?

Brogdon for Smart/Juancho/Romeo-Nesmith-picks would be our version of getting Jrue.

Right now Marcus for Bogdan/Reddish looks like the best case option.. or Smart for THT, which is stupid for the Lakers and stupid risky for us.