"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[JHTruth]

Idk if Danny knows at this point

He's building around the Jays (like he has any choice) but they are our two best players. Sadly, by the time they are seriously ready to compete for rings, Kemba's contract will be over and he will probably be in decline. We need to stock up with players around their age

FTR He has a choice. He could trade one of them. Or both. The return on Jayson Tatum would be franchise altering.

LOL to get who exactly?

[reload141]

Idk if Danny knows at this point

He's building around the Jays (like he has any choice) but they are our two best players. Sadly, by the time they are seriously ready to compete for rings, Kemba's contract will be over and he will probably be in decline. We need to stock up with players around their age

FTR He has a choice. He could trade one of them. Or both. The return on Jayson Tatum would be franchise altering.

Wait, what?

Trading Jayson Tatum?

Think I might just jump back into this thread post deadline with this sort of stuff coming up

[CelticFaninLBC]

This Toronto rumor is confusing.

What the hell was the point in signing Thompson for 2/$19 and passing on Baynes in the offseason, if only a few months later you're looking to dump Tristian for pennies for the exact same guy you passed on...

It’s like Ainge is just winging it at this point.

They may want to dump some 2021-22 salary, if they have a deal lined up for either Barnes or Collins, and bring in Baynes as a backup, 3rd string big...

[reload141]

This Toronto rumor is confusing.

What the hell was the point in signing Thompson for 2/$19 and passing on Baynes in the offseason, if only a few months later you're looking to dump Tristian for pennies for the exact same guy you passed on...

It’s like Ainge is just winging it at this point.

Well I suppose he didn’t expect Rob Will to be this good this year already... it’s clear he needs to start and considering we would’ve promised TT the starting position I’m pretty sure Baynes would be happy being the 2nd/3rd situational big.

Add into that he knows the system and the players, another bonus.

Also isn’t his second year non-guaranteed? So essentially it’s a cost saving especially if we are targeting someone in the offseason.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The TT to Toronto thing is more of Klutch saying ‘TT aint going to SAC’ IMO

[CeltsfaninDC]

This Toronto rumor is confusing.

What the hell was the point in signing Thompson for 2/$19 and passing on Baynes in the offseason, if only a few months later you're looking to dump Tristian for pennies for the exact same guy you passed on...

It’s like Ainge is just winging it at this point.

If they move him they get full access to (i forget which) one of the funding sources that they could use to sign another player. Its a lateral move which positions them or something else

[Duke4life831]

And everyone is settling on Collins for the final piece? I have far higher expectations for the final guy that the Js need. John Collins is meh. All this talk here about getting another banner and John Collins is what we are proposing here?

And who do you have your eyes on?

If we are at the point of looking at guys that get us over the top then I think its guys like Beal, not John Collins. If we are looking for 4s then I'd want one thats not undersized and can shoots 3s better than Semi. Right now he's not as good as Siakam or Tobey Harris and I don't want to pay either of them max deals either. You also are going to have to buy HIGH on this guy which means a bunch of outgoing assets too. I'd rather take some deals that make us better now without hamstringing us for the next 4 years with a mediocre 4

The issue is the only chance you have at getting a player like Beal is by using Brown, a young guy and a few 1st rounders. Then youre stuck with Beal/Tatum and still needing a 3rd star. The problem then turns into, how do you get that 3rd star. You wouldnt be able to sign them because you wont have the cap space, that means you would have to trade for that 3rd star.

The issue is, Ainge has done a bad job drafting, so at the moment you guys dont have any young players with much trade value. It would have to be Smart, Robert Williams and some distant 1st round picks. The question then turns into, what does Smart/Williams/distant 1st rounders get you? Does that get you that 3rd guy who is a top 15 player? I doubt it.

[reload141]

The TT to Toronto thing is more of Klutch saying ‘TT aint going to SAC’ IMO

I’m not sure anyone wants to go there in general.

Man what an out of the box season they had when we owned their pick.

Still frustrates me.

[GoCeltics123]

I think trading Thompson and paying Theis in the offseason would make no sense, I think the only way it makes sense is if they trade Thompson to move the hard cap enough to get Vuc or something.

[Feed Your Head]

He's building around the Jays (like he has any choice) but they are our two best players. Sadly, by the time they are seriously ready to compete for rings, Kemba's contract will be over and he will probably be in decline. We need to stock up with players around their age

FTR He has a choice. He could trade one of them. Or both. The return on Jayson Tatum would be franchise altering.

Wait, what?

Trading Jayson Tatum?

Think I might just jump back into this thread post deadline with this sort of stuff coming up

Trading Tatum would be franchise altering alright,
we could have a Jaylen led team and win 30 games a season.

In a league about top end talent, trading your best player who is locked up for five more seasons seems like a great idea.

[MagicBagley18]

And who do you have your eyes on?

If we are at the point of looking at guys that get us over the top then I think its guys like Beal, not John Collins. If we are looking for 4s then I'd want one thats not undersized and can shoots 3s better than Semi. Right now he's not as good as Siakam or Tobey Harris and I don't want to pay either of them max deals either. You also are going to have to buy HIGH on this guy which means a bunch of outgoing assets too. I'd rather take some deals that make us better now without hamstringing us for the next 4 years with a mediocre 4

The issue is the only chance you have at getting a player like Beal is by using Brown, a young guy and a few 1st rounders. Then youre stuck with Beal/Tatum and still needing a 3rd star. The problem then turns into, how do you get that 3rd star. You wouldnt be able to sign them because you wont have the cap space, that means you would have to trade for that 3rd star.

The issue is, Ainge has done a bad job drafting, so at the moment you guys dont have any young players with much trade value. It would have to be Smart, Robert Williams and some distant 1st round picks. The question then turns into, what does Smart/Williams/distant 1st rounders get you? Does that get you that 3rd guy who is a top 15 player? I doubt it.

This is all facts and in reality what’s most likely to occur by an overwhelming margin. I think the thought with beal here that because of the connection with Tatum which is undeniably close- that perhaps, perhaps beal would want to leverage himself to Boston to play with Jayson and in an ideal scenario brown forming Boston’s own “super team”.

We all acknowledge it’s 95% likely that getting beal costs brown and that’s def a discussion we’ve had but I think the dream scenario is beal wants to come here and then the Celtics use kemba /smart /Pritchard/timelord or some combo of the form via a 3 team deal for example combined with 3-4:1sts and multiple swaps to get a deal done.

Beal has a player option end of next and he’s 100% gonna opt in regardless of if he stays in Washington or not because he’ll be eligible for 35% of the cap. If he decides to demand a trade he’ll have leverage where he goes and outside of the warriors none of the other teams have great draft picks in package (Miami, Philly, Denver, etc).

Again, it’s a giant long shot but possible as we’ve stars leverage to where they wanna go before

[TommyForever]

FTR He has a choice. He could trade one of them. Or both. The return on Jayson Tatum would be franchise altering.

Wait, what?

Trading Jayson Tatum?

Think I might just jump back into this thread post deadline with this sort of stuff coming up

Trading Tatum would be franchise altering alright,
we could have a Jaylen led team and win 30 games a season.

In a league about top end talent, trading your best player who is locked up for five more seasons seems like a great idea.

The forget how most of you overreact. I simply said FTR. That doesn’t mean trade Jayson Tatum right now. He’s my favorite player.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen will be better than Beal two years from now.

[Feed Your Head]

Wait, what?

Trading Jayson Tatum?

Think I might just jump back into this thread post deadline with this sort of stuff coming up

Trading Tatum would be franchise altering alright,
we could have a Jaylen led team and win 30 games a season.

In a league about top end talent, trading your best player who is locked up for five more seasons seems like a great idea.

The forget how most of you overreact. I simply said FTR. That doesn’t mean trade Jayson Tatum right now. He’s my favorite player.

Not overreacting man lol, we were just commenting on you saying he has the option to trade him.

Trading Tatum would cripple the franchise, Danny would never. Even me who is open to trading Jaylen knows Danny is highly unlikely to trade him as well. This board goes at everyone when posters disagree, it’s part of the charm lol.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Rob Williams developing is good, it means you can trade one of Theis/Thompson or both (depending on buyouts, TPE, and trade returns)

At this point you just have to hope the market breaks in our favor.. If 2-3 possibilities materialize, we could be in great shape. Zero...

[Feed Your Head]

Jaylen will be better than Beal two years from now.

Is Beal going to significantly regress at 29? Beal will likely be better than Jaylen for the next 3-4 years, after that? Sure.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen will be better than Beal two years from now.

Is Beal going to significantly regress at 29? Beal will likely be better than Jaylen for the next 3-4 years, after that? Sure.

No, I mean Jaylen, who actually plays defense, will surpass Beal as an all around player and possibly as a scorer. He’s shown flashes this year.

[SMTBSI]

Jump into the thread, and I see things have gotten real weird.

Trading the Jays? Baynes reunion?

I was not prepared.

[fallguy]

Jaylen will be better than Beal two years from now.

It's very possible. It wouldn't be some kill shot move.

[MagicBagley18]

Jaylen will be better than Beal two years from now.

Is Beal going to significantly regress at 29? Beal will likely be better than Jaylen for the next 3-4 years, after that? Sure.

No, I mean Jaylen, who actually plays defense, will surpass Beal as an all around player and possibly as a scorer. He’s shown flashes this year.

He’ll never in his life be a scorer like beal