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Post#981 » by CelticTillDeath » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:34 am

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return2glory wrote:Fultz played great in his first game back. Good to see. They are getting him back in the right time, weeks before the playoffs.

Some people have been counting out Ball and Fultz, I believe both have a chance to be really good. Sixers are finally building something really good.


I feel like this notion that Fultz played this “great game” yesterday is being vastly overstated. Let’s keep things in perspective and treat him like a number one overall pick and not a kid who looked like a mental midget for most of the season. We need to continue the to hold him to “1st overall pick” standards, especially since he came at such a high cost for the sixers to acquire.

Having said that, I now ask what was so great about his game last night? His first shot was an airball, he had 2 or 3 shots that got swatted down his throat, he shot 5-13 from the field for a whopping 37%, he still hasnt completely/consistently lost that weird hitch in his shot, he had a couple of turnovers, and he didn’t really have any impact on the defensive end of the floor. How is that great showing? Sure, I guess if you just glanced at the box score to see he had 10pts and 8ast in 15 minutes, then you’d assume he had a good game, but IMO that wasn’t the case last night.

Don’t get me wrong, he showed some decent point guard skills with his play making ability, but outside of that, I think all the questions people had about his game are still fair to ask. To me, his shooting ability and his mental make up between the ears are going to be the biggest determining factors to see if he can ever live up to his predraft hype.

After seeing how this season has played out for fultz both on and off the court, I’m now completely convinced that Danny never even considered drafting this kid. I bet he wasn’t even in Ainges top 5 prospects list.


He had a great game. That’s what it was. It’s noy vastly overstated. 10 points and 8 assists in 14 minutes. That’s great. I’m sure Sixer fans are happy. Doesn’t mean he is going to be a great player or not. It’s one game. But for one game, he was great. For a guy being out that long and going through whatever he was going through, it was encouraging for for.

To answer your question. 8 assists in 14 minutes was great. Having a near double double in 14 minutes was great. There is nothing to put into prospective IMO. One game. 14 minutes. First game back in months. Very good signs.


I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Like I said, from a pure basic box score glance, it looked like a good game. However, I actually watched it and saw him shoot 5-13 with little to no effort on defense and a few turnovers to go with it. I saw him still look very uncomfortable shooting the ball, even from as close to 10 feet to the basket. His release is still poor and it led to an airball and 3 blocked shots. For a guy who by all accounts was healthy this whole time and just missing games due to a mental issue, or the “yips” if you will, he didn’t really impress in his first game back. He just didn’t look like a number one overall pick. It’s only one game , so I’m not saying this is who he is, but just because he finally made it back on the court I’m not going to reach and say he played “great” either.

I did give him credit for the play making and assists though, but even that can be a deceiving stats. If some of those guys miss some of those shots, he drops from 8 assists to 4 or 5. It’s not like all his passses led to easy baskets at the rim, some were still tough shots that his teammates just happened to knock down.

Regardless, I just think we have a different definition of what a “great game” is. Now if you wanna say it’s a great sign to see him back on the court doing some things well, then I’m absolutely with you. I’m just not gonna say he had a great game because his box score looked decent outside of his shooting percentages. Especially when shooting was one of the biggest questions on his game.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#982 » by Iguodaladon » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:33 am

return2glory wrote:
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return2glory wrote:Fultz played great in his first game back. Good to see. They are getting him back in the right time, weeks before the playoffs.

Some people have been counting out Ball and Fultz, I believe both have a chance to be really good. Sixers are finally building something really good.


I feel like this notion that Fultz played this “great game” yesterday is being vastly overstated. Let’s keep things in perspective and treat him like a number one overall pick and not a kid who looked like a mental midget for most of the season. We need to continue the to hold him to “1st overall pick” standards, especially since he came at such a high cost for the sixers to acquire.

Having said that, I now ask what was so great about his game last night? His first shot was an airball, he had 2 or 3 shots that got swatted down his throat, he shot 5-13 from the field for a whopping 37%, he still hasnt completely/consistently lost that weird hitch in his shot, he had a couple of turnovers, and he didn’t really have any impact on the defensive end of the floor. How is that great showing? Sure, I guess if you just glanced at the box score to see he had 10pts and 8ast in 15 minutes, then you’d assume he had a good game, but IMO that wasn’t the case last night.

Don’t get me wrong, he showed some decent point guard skills with his play making ability, but outside of that, I think all the questions people had about his game are still fair to ask. To me, his shooting ability and his mental make up between the ears are going to be the biggest determining factors to see if he can ever live up to his predraft hype.

After seeing how this season has played out for fultz both on and off the court, I’m now completely convinced that Danny never even considered drafting this kid. I bet he wasn’t even in Ainges top 5 prospects list.


He had a great game. That’s what it was. It’s noy vastly overstated. 10 points and 8 assists in 14 minutes. That’s great. I’m sure Sixer fans are happy. Doesn’t mean he is going to be a great player or not. It’s one game. But for one game, he was great. For a guy being out that long and going through whatever he was going through, it was encouraging for for.

To answer your question. 8 assists in 14 minutes was great. Having a near double double in 14 minutes was great. There is nothing to put into prospective IMO. One game. 14 minutes. First game back in months. Very good signs.


I don't think it was that great in terms of the stats (most of those assists weren't much more than handoffs which went in from great shooting by the Sixers players), but in terms of confidence I think that was the most encouraging thing. He turned the ball over on his first possession, got blocked multiple times and threw up some airballs, but he kept shooting. 13 shots in 14 minutes! It wasn't very efficient, but it was a good showing for someone who's mental ability has been put into question these past 5 months.
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Post#983 » by CelticTillDeath » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:07 am

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I feel like this notion that Fultz played this “great game” yesterday is being vastly overstated. Let’s keep things in perspective and treat him like a number one overall pick and not a kid who looked like a mental midget for most of the season. We need to continue the to hold him to “1st overall pick” standards, especially since he came at such a high cost for the sixers to acquire.

Having said that, I now ask what was so great about his game last night? His first shot was an airball, he had 2 or 3 shots that got swatted down his throat, he shot 5-13 from the field for a whopping 37%, he still hasnt completely/consistently lost that weird hitch in his shot, he had a couple of turnovers, and he didn’t really have any impact on the defensive end of the floor. How is that great showing? Sure, I guess if you just glanced at the box score to see he had 10pts and 8ast in 15 minutes, then you’d assume he had a good game, but IMO that wasn’t the case last night.

Don’t get me wrong, he showed some decent point guard skills with his play making ability, but outside of that, I think all the questions people had about his game are still fair to ask. To me, his shooting ability and his mental make up between the ears are going to be the biggest determining factors to see if he can ever live up to his predraft hype.

After seeing how this season has played out for fultz both on and off the court, I’m now completely convinced that Danny never even considered drafting this kid. I bet he wasn’t even in Ainges top 5 prospects list.


He had a great game. That’s what it was. It’s noy vastly overstated. 10 points and 8 assists in 14 minutes. That’s great. I’m sure Sixer fans are happy. Doesn’t mean he is going to be a great player or not. It’s one game. But for one game, he was great. For a guy being out that long and going through whatever he was going through, it was encouraging for for.

To answer your question. 8 assists in 14 minutes was great. Having a near double double in 14 minutes was great. There is nothing to put into prospective IMO. One game. 14 minutes. First game back in months. Very good signs.


I don't think it was that great in terms of the stats (most of those assists weren't much more than handoffs which went in from great shooting by the Sixers players), but in terms of confidence I think that was the most encouraging thing. He turned the ball over on his first possession, got blocked multiple times and threw up some airballs, but he kept shooting. 13 shots in 14 minutes! It wasn't very efficient, but it was a good showing for someone who's mental ability has been put into question these past 5 months.


I 100% agree with this. He had some encouraging moments, and he showed some good aggressive play offensively despite his poor shooting. All of those things are positive signs. It’s good just to see him back on the court and getting comfortable. I just didn’t think he played the best of games like some people are claiming.

I mean hell, espn had a segment on “the jump” where Rachel Nichols says “Markell Fultz was worth the wait”. To that I say “huh”?

It’s one thing to say he did some good things and it’s a good sign to see him make it back this year. It’s another thing all together to suggest he had some great groundbreaking game like some posters and media outlets suggest.
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Post#984 » by 3D Chess » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:29 pm

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Post#985 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:49 pm

Im with the ‘Fultz didnt have a great game’ crowd. His assists werent due to his creation ability (and some were increcibly generous, including one where Redick pump faked and took a dribble) and he got his shot swatted 4 times. He played more like Evan Turner than the Fultz from UW.

Im happy he’s back and Im rooting for him, but these hot takes on how great he was are getting ridiculous.
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Post#986 » by 2Mas » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:44 pm

3D Chess wrote:Bring back Kelly O' Klinic.

** Got you bruh

He's having a greta year tho. Happy for him.
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Post#987 » by 2Mas » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:55 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Im with the ‘Fultz didnt have a great game’ crowd. His assists werent due to his creation ability (and some were increcibly generous, including one where Redick pump faked and took a dribble) and he got his shot swatted 4 times. He played more like Evan Turner than the Fultz from UW.

Im happy he’s back and Im rooting for him, but these hot takes on how great he was are getting ridiculous.

Facts. Anyone who watched that & called him "great" is tripping. Great are his highlights Washington.

That being said, dude had a bum shoulder, got thugged by the monstars, & after months of criticism sporadically decided to play as a 19 year old rookie. He was fine/solid in debut. Some good, some bad. Happy to see him back on the court. Of course he'll get better.

But for whatever the hell went on, it was a good return yes.
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Post#988 » by 3D Chess » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:59 pm

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Anybody gonna tell him that he created half of "what's been happening with our team all year"?

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Zach might!

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Post#989 » by CelticTillDeath » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:44 pm

2Mas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Im with the ‘Fultz didnt have a great game’ crowd. His assists werent due to his creation ability (and some were increcibly generous, including one where Redick pump faked and took a dribble) and he got his shot swatted 4 times. He played more like Evan Turner than the Fultz from UW.

Im happy he’s back and Im rooting for him, but these hot takes on how great he was are getting ridiculous.

Facts. Anyone who watched that & called him "great" is tripping. Great are his highlights Washington.

That being said, dude had a bum shoulder, got thugged by the monstars, & after months of criticism sporadically decided to play as a 19 year old rookie. He was fine/solid in debut. Some good, some bad. Happy to see him back on the court. Of course he'll get better.

But for whatever the hell went on, it was a good return yes.


These two posts hit the nail right on the head in regards to Fultz and his first game back. 110%
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Post#990 » by tlee324 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:31 pm

Geez, LeBron lol
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Post#992 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:45 pm

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Poor IT... from the Penthouse to the Curbstone by the crashed Brinks truck in less than a year... you have to feel for the guy,
as much as you can feel for someone making $10 million or so per year. I hope he can actually play next season and his career isn't going to be over shortly.
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Post#993 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:50 pm

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That sucks man
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Post#994 » by jmr07019 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:41 pm

Is it possible to embed facebook videos to realgm? Pretty awesome highlight vid of the legend here:

https://www.facebook.com/nba/videos/10155882612498463/
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Post#995 » by TheMartian » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:58 pm

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That's a blind pass to a teammate waiting in the left corner, because that definitely is not a shooting form.


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Post#996 » by jmr07019 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:24 pm

3D Chess wrote:
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Anybody gonna tell him that he created half of "what's been happening with our team all year"?

EDIT:

Zach might!

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Of course Lebron would vote for himself. Friggin clown.
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Post#997 » by Turgon » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:35 pm

Love on concussion protocol (sounds a bit kinky). Cavs are likely to fall to 4th or 5th.

Best possible scenario in my opinion: Brown decides to rest Simmons and Embiid, Pacers somehow get the 3rd seed and Cavs get 5th. We get the Bucks.

Cavs vs Sixers on the first round and the winner goes on against the Raptors. We play the Bucks and then if we can get past them either the Wizards or the Pacers. Could happen people!
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Post#998 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Insiders have hinted Ainge had some big ideas for this offseason— might be time to add another name to the list: Giannis

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If the time comes... because the NBA is business... Even my team, the Bucks, they might say to me: "Giannis we have not won the title after five years. You are our leader, so why we don't win?" And they will bring another guy. They might do this move.

We have to win a championship with my team. For sure the right moves should be made in order for this to happen. Nobody won a championship by himself. You have to get the right players. The front office and the general manager have to do their work too. Everyone has to work. Everyone has to work on his part in order to win a championship.

If I do my part and some others don't, then a change would have to happen... If this change does not happen, then, the Bucks can move forward without me, or I can move on without the Bucks.




Hes obviously highly unlikely to ever be moved. But hes playing for a team on the treadmill thats taxed out and cant realistically build a contender for the remainder of his current contract. Definitely a situation to monitor.
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Post#999 » by K For Three » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:20 pm

Davis, Leonard and now Giannis? Sigh......

All I want is our own guys back.
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Post#1000 » by CelticTillDeath » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:29 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Insiders have hinted Ainge had some big ideas for this offseason— might be time to add another name to the list: Giannis

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1691486

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If the time comes... because the NBA is business... Even my team, the Bucks, they might say to me: "Giannis we have not won the title after five years. You are our leader, so why we don't win?" And they will bring another guy. They might do this move.

We have to win a championship with my team. For sure the right moves should be made in order for this to happen. Nobody won a championship by himself. You have to get the right players. The front office and the general manager have to do their work too. Everyone has to work. Everyone has to work on his part in order to win a championship.

If I do my part and some others don't, then a change would have to happen... If this change does not happen, then, the Bucks can move forward without me, or I can move on without the Bucks.




Hes obviously highly unlikely to ever be moved. But hes playing for a team on the treadmill thats taxed out and cant realistically build a contender for the remainder of his current contract. Definitely a situation to monitor.


I would do UNFORGIVABLE things to acquire Giannis. He’s one of my top 3 favorite players to watch in this league. The scariest part about him is the fact that he’s only 23 years old. He’s 3 years away from ENTERING his prime. That’s absolutely insane to think about considering how amazing he is already. I’d do anything for him. Anything.

One of Brown/Tatum, Rozier, Morris, LA 18’/Sac 19’, Bos 18’, Mem 19’, LAC 19’

Imagine...

Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Giannis, Horford

Sweet Jesus. The possibilities on both ends of the floor would be ENDLESS. All 5 guys have the capabilities to bring the ball up and run the offense, and all 5 guys could essentially switch anything on defense. So many mismatches. That team would make LIGHT WORK of any team in the league, Golden State included.

So unrealistic, but I would have said the same thing about acquiring Kyrie at the end of last season. In Danny I trust.

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