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Post#401 » by cloverleaf » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:41 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Cherry-Picked Stat of the Day: Only two players had an offensive rebounding rate of at least 14% and a defensive rebounding rate of at least 20% in each of the last five seasons -- Andre Drummond and Enes Kanter. Al Horford and Aron Baynes never had one such season in their 19 seasons combined.


But a good one. Listening to his interviews, it sounds as if Enes is up for working on more D and the 3 for Brad this year, which could add a lot if it doesn't take from his current scoring efficiency and rebounding.
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Post#402 » by Smog » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:27 am

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Elrod is Back wrote:Worth noting that in traditional analysis, great defensive rebounding was considered the sign of a useful defensive player, since the who idea of defense is to get the other team to miss shots and then get possession of the ball.

It has been painful for years now to see the Cs play great D and then not gain possession as the other team corralled an offensive rebound and got another chance to score. That will happen less next season we can hope. It will help our defense.


Kanter will either get the defensive rebound or let guys score unmolested - either way opponents crushing the offensive glass won't be a problem.


I thought Kanter looked a lot better on defense last year - do statistics bear that out? Went to a few games in NY where he looked pretty good.
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Post#403 » by Slartibartfast » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:08 am

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Elrod is Back wrote:Worth noting that in traditional analysis, great defensive rebounding was considered the sign of a useful defensive player, since the who idea of defense is to get the other team to miss shots and then get possession of the ball.

It has been painful for years now to see the Cs play great D and then not gain possession as the other team corralled an offensive rebound and got another chance to score. That will happen less next season we can hope. It will help our defense.


Kanter will either get the defensive rebound or let guys score unmolested - either way opponents crushing the offensive glass won't be a problem.


I thought Kanter looked a lot better on defense last year - do statistics bear that out? Went to a few games in NY where he looked pretty good.


2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/
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Post#404 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:32 am

No worries. No need for rim protection from Kanter. Celtics will just turn their opponents over even before they can take a shot. Every time down.
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Post#405 » by threrf23 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 am

Slartibartfast wrote:
Smog wrote:
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Kanter will either get the defensive rebound or let guys score unmolested - either way opponents crushing the offensive glass won't be a problem.


I thought Kanter looked a lot better on defense last year - do statistics bear that out? Went to a few games in NY where he looked pretty good.


2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/


Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.
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Post#406 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:15 am

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Post#407 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:22 am

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Post#408 » by Green89 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:03 pm

https://hoopshype.com/2019/07/28/enes-kanter-qa-im-trying-to-be-the-voice-for-all-of-those-innocent-people-who-dont-have-one/

Big article. Enes talks about a ton of stuff including season expectations and playing two on two: Jaylen and Kanter vs. Tacko and Hayward.

People are just so focused on the Clippers and Lakers, like you said, and sometimes Milwaukee and Philly. But I definitely think we can shock the world.
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Post#409 » by JHTruth » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:00 am

threrf23 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Smog wrote:
I thought Kanter looked a lot better on defense last year - do statistics bear that out? Went to a few games in NY where he looked pretty good.


2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/


Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.

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Post#410 » by Smog » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:30 am

JHTruth wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/


Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.



I’m not sure plus/minus stats make sense with the Knicks of last year, especially since they usually had him as one of 1-2 legit NBA players on the floor. The Knicks’ second unit was a clown show.

My impression of Enes when he got to NY was he was a stat-chaser, who hated being away from the basket and didn’t try much on the defensive end. But last year his effort level was up and had some really excellent games against good players, including Embiid.
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Post#411 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:44 am

JHTruth wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/


Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.


I don't think that's fair, they just went in a different direction for whatever reason, opting for a contract-year Whiteside.
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Post#412 » by JHTruth » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:10 am

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JHTruth wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.


I don't think that's fair, they just went in a different direction for whatever reason, opting for a contract-year Whiteside.


Them and everyone else. 4th team in 4 years
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Post#413 » by Green89 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:37 am

JHTruth wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
2nd worst center in DRPM. Has been bottom 3 every year (including 2 dead last) except for the previous year in NY when he was 8th worst.

A very comprehensive look at his defensive problems in NY: https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/02/enes-kanters-actual-impact/


Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.


Wrong. They were negotiating with him. Kanter said he was pressured and they needed a quick decision from him, so the talks broke down and he walked. It may not have been their intention to keep him, but saying they made zero effort is false.
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Post#414 » by Slartibartfast » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:56 am

Smog wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
threrf23 wrote:
Once traded to Portland, the Blazers defense was better with Kanter on the court than it was with Kanter on the bench (or on the Knicks). In the postseason he had the best defensive +/- amongst Blazer starters. He also had the best overall plus/minus amongst Blazers starters in the postseason.

That is taken with a grain of salt, because plus minus, small sample sizes, etc.


And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.



I’m not sure plus/minus stats make sense with the Knicks of last year, especially since they usually had him as one of 1-2 legit NBA players on the floor. The Knicks’ second unit was a clown show.

My impression of Enes when he got to NY was he was a stat-chaser, who hated being away from the basket and didn’t try much on the defensive end. But last year his effort level was up and had some really excellent games against good players, including Embiid.


The problem with Kanter is that he loves to rebound more than he likes to defend.

That's why so often he fails leave the paint or even contest lay-ups.
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Post#415 » by JHTruth » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:16 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Smog wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.



I’m not sure plus/minus stats make sense with the Knicks of last year, especially since they usually had him as one of 1-2 legit NBA players on the floor. The Knicks’ second unit was a clown show.

My impression of Enes when he got to NY was he was a stat-chaser, who hated being away from the basket and didn’t try much on the defensive end. But last year his effort level was up and had some really excellent games against good players, including Embiid.


The problem with Kanter is that he loves to rebound more than he likes to defend.

That's why so often he fails leave the paint or even contest lay-ups.


In other words he just wants to pad his stats
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Post#416 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

Kanter has mentioned that the C's have talked to him about his defense and presumed ability to defend better than he might have to date. It sounded as if he was prepared to do that. I suspect at this point Kanter has come to a couple of realizations: 1) if he wants to play on a winning team, he is at best a fringe starter who will ultimately likely come off the bench, and 2) if he wants time on a winning team, he probably has to become more of a two-way player.

Rebounds are valuable, but yeah, he's also got to defend better in the C's style and system.
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Post#417 » by Darth Celtic » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:22 pm

Kanter "I’ve already met Jaylen; he’s an amazing guy. We were actually playing two-on-two; it was me and Jaylen Brown against Gordon Hayward and Tacko Fall. It was amazing! I’m definitely very excited to play with those guys."

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Post#418 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:22 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:Kanter "I’ve already met Jaylen; he’s an amazing guy. We were actually playing two-on-two; it was me and Jaylen Brown against Gordon Hayward and Tacko Fall. It was amazing! I’m definitely very excited to play with those guys."

This can't be right, Prokorov said Jaylen was a cancer and must be shipped out.


It's pretty clear Brown did some growing up as a team player last year. And this is great to hear. I like all of it: Jaylen and Gordon and Enes and Tacko all in on it.

Tacko is one smart dude and playing with this caliber of teammate is going to up his game in a hurry. Enes's easy-going, but all-in, personality IMO is going to help this made-over team gel in a good way.

Oh, and also a good sign for Gordon's play that he was teamed with Tacko.
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Post#419 » by 24istheLAW » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:48 pm

From this Q&A: https://hoopshype.com/2019/07/28/enes-kanter-qa-im-trying-to-be-the-voice-for-all-of-those-innocent-people-who-dont-have-one/

What aspects of your game are you working on this offseason?

EK: Now, the league has changed a lot. There’s not much back-to-the-basket play anymore – that left – and that’s my game. Of course, with the league changing, everybody has to be able to make three-point shots now. That’s why my focus this summer is my three-point shooting. When I talked to Brad Stevens, he told me he wanted me to shoot threes. In the press conference, I was sitting next to Danny Ainge and he told me, “You know, that three-point line isn’t for decoration.” I was like, “Got it! Okay!”
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Post#420 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:53 pm

JHTruth wrote:
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And yet they made zero effort to retain his services. Kanter is a horrible defender and probably always will be.


I don't think that's fair, they just went in a different direction for whatever reason, opting for a contract-year Whiteside.


Them and everyone else. 4th team in 4 years

I guess, Kawhi has been on three teams in three years. PG, too. Jimmy Butler is on his fourth team in four years. Four for DeAndre Jordan. Players move around constantly. What's your point?
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