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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 (Do we need a Starter?) 

Post#41 » by Parliament10 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:17 pm

Automattic wrote:Do you think that Schroder is a real possibility?

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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 (Do we need a Starter?) 

Post#42 » by cloverleaf » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:20 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:no. We have Pritchard. Arguably the 2nd best combination of BBIQ, offense and defense on the team behind only Tatum. I think he can have a Lowry type career if given the chance and even be the #2 we sorely need. Smart is best as the 6th man. PG, with Pritchard, is set for the next 6-8 years.

Pritchard, starting and getting 32 mpg, I would expect 20-5-7 with 40% from three with above average defense. Essentially, a better VanVleet.


I'm a Pritchard fan and I expect him to improve his P&R D, especially, this year, while showing more leadership on O. Plus, I understand the C's are weak on 5-tool players, while JB is still weak on BBIQ.

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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#44 » by ParticleMan » Sat Aug 7, 2021 11:53 am

So assuming the TT trade eventually happens we would have

Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Yam
Smart, Nesmith, Carsen
Brown, Romeo
Tatum, GWill, Parker
Horford, Rwill, Fernando

I like the team defensively. Offense will be a slog. Brutal spacing, teams will just dare Schroder and Smart to shoot.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#45 » by cloverleaf » Sat Aug 7, 2021 1:08 pm

ParticleMan wrote:So assuming the TT trade eventually happens we would have

Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Yam
Smart, Nesmith, Carsen
Brown, Romeo
Tatum, GWill, Parker
Horford, Rwill, Fernando

I like the team defensively. Offense will be a slog. Brutal spacing, teams will just dare Schroder and Smart to shoot.


Yep. For that backcourt I think you'd have to pair Shroder with Nesmith and Smart with Pritchard, whoever starts. The tricky part is both Schroder and Smart would likely be prickly about coming off the bench. That's why I really don't think you want them on the same team. Also, I think Rob needs to start over Al at this point. You forgot Enes. Fernando? I still don't think he belongs here.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#46 » by flintsky21 » Sat Aug 7, 2021 1:13 pm

What Schroder will bring to this team from the PG position that Smart and PP won't is the ability to attack the basket and put pressure to opposing defenses. That brings a new aspect on offense for a largely jumpshooting team.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#47 » by ParticleMan » Sat Aug 7, 2021 1:20 pm

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ParticleMan wrote:So assuming the TT trade eventually happens we would have

Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Yam
Smart, Nesmith, Carsen
Brown, Romeo
Tatum, GWill, Parker
Horford, Rwill, Fernando

I like the team defensively. Offense will be a slog. Brutal spacing, teams will just dare Schroder and Smart to shoot.


Yep. For that backcourt I think you'd have to pair Shroder with Nesmith and Smart with Pritchard, whoever starts. The tricky part is both Schroder and Smart would likely be prickly about coming off the bench. That's why I really don't think you want them on the same team. Also, I think Rob needs to start over Al at this point. You forgot Enes. Fernando? I still don't think he belongs here.


i agree about the pairings, and also that one of schroder or smart would be unhappy with that.

yep, forgot about enes :oops: i don't know which of horford or rwill should start, i suppose it might switch based on matchups. rob might be more effective if he gets to play against the other team's backups.

i honestly don't know what we'd do with fernando or dunn. can't we just trade TT without getting anything back lol?
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#48 » by cloverleaf » Sat Aug 7, 2021 1:26 pm

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ParticleMan wrote:So assuming the TT trade eventually happens we would have

Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Yam
Smart, Nesmith, Carsen
Brown, Romeo
Tatum, GWill, Parker
Horford, Rwill, Fernando

I like the team defensively. Offense will be a slog. Brutal spacing, teams will just dare Schroder and Smart to shoot.


Yep. For that backcourt I think you'd have to pair Shroder with Nesmith and Smart with Pritchard, whoever starts. The tricky part is both Schroder and Smart would likely be prickly about coming off the bench. That's why I really don't think you want them on the same team. Also, I think Rob needs to start over Al at this point. You forgot Enes. Fernando? I still don't think he belongs here.


i agree about the pairings, and also that one of schroder or smart would be unhappy with that.

yep, forgot about enes :oops: i don't know which of horford or rwill should start, i suppose it might switch based on matchups. rob might be more effective if he gets to play against the other team's backups.

i honestly don't know what we'd do with fernando or dunn. can't we just trade TT without getting anything back lol?


Still spiraling down from the Thompson nut, at least Bruno is cheap. (And you need at least another deep bencher to keep Carsen company without a legit beef for not playing.) Dunn's at $5M, so I'm pretty sure there'll be another deal coming, even if it's just revisiting the Presti bank.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

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Post#50 » by playa-hater » Sat Aug 7, 2021 3:32 pm

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Post#51 » by Matt5 » Sat Aug 7, 2021 6:07 pm

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wonder what the Over/under is for Smart accepting or turning it down.

I think that Smart believes he signed a discount deal last time. This may explain why is considering this one. Especially, if he was looking for a 4 year/ $20M deal. Do we know if the $17M is per year or if it escalates?


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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#52 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Aug 7, 2021 6:30 pm

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wonder what the Over/under is for Smart accepting or turning it down.

I think that Smart believes he signed a discount deal last time. This may explain why is considering this one. Especially, if he was looking for a 4 year/ $20M deal. Do we know if the $17M is per year or if it escalates?

He did sign a discount deal the last time.
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Post#53 » by greenpierce » Sat Aug 7, 2021 6:55 pm

He may believe that, but I don’t think anyone else feels he out-played that contract.
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Post#54 » by cloverleaf » Sat Aug 7, 2021 7:00 pm

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wonder what the Over/under is for Smart accepting or turning it down.

I think that Smart believes he signed a discount deal last time. This may explain why is considering this one. Especially, if he was looking for a 4 year/ $20M deal. Do we know if the $17M is per year or if it escalates?


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My guess is the C's offered the $17M/yr, as Murphy reported, and Smart is holding out for the max permitted, which starts just over $17M and averages about $19M/yr. Maybe they settle at $18M/yr, but Smart's got a good negotiator for an agent, so Rookie Brad may get worked over...
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#55 » by moonie_mcgee » Sat Aug 7, 2021 11:43 pm

flintsky21 wrote:What Schroder will bring to this team from the PG position that Smart and PP won't is the ability to attack the basket and put pressure to opposing defenses. That brings a new aspect on offense for a largely jumpshooting team.


:nod: Schroder is very crafty at getting to the basket. If he's in space he can really create for himself and find others. I always wanted Ainge to get him while we had Theis as they're very close. To whoever said Schroder with a heavy one year contract with a player option, Id totally be behind that. Schroder can really score.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#56 » by moonie_mcgee » Sat Aug 7, 2021 11:53 pm

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Yep. For that backcourt I think you'd have to pair Shroder with Nesmith and Smart with Pritchard, whoever starts. The tricky part is both Schroder and Smart would likely be prickly about coming off the bench. That's why I really don't think you want them on the same team. Also, I think Rob needs to start over Al at this point. You forgot Enes. Fernando? I still don't think he belongs here.


i agree about the pairings, and also that one of schroder or smart would be unhappy with that.

yep, forgot about enes :oops: i don't know which of horford or rwill should start, i suppose it might switch based on matchups. rob might be more effective if he gets to play against the other team's backups.

i honestly don't know what we'd do with fernando or dunn. can't we just trade TT without getting anything back lol?


Still spiraling down from the Thompson nut, at least Bruno is cheap. (And you need at least another deep bencher to keep Carsen company without a legit beef for not playing.) Dunn's at $5M, so I'm pretty sure there'll be another deal coming, even if it's just revisiting the Presti bank.


I think Hayes (sic?) and Bruno will bring much needed muscle to the front court. Plus we have Kanter back, Horford instead of Walker and a rehabbed RWill. Plus the undrafted 6'8 shooter has a solid frame. All this is an upgrade over last year. Plus Richardson and Dunn have good size and strength in the backcourt. AND Nesmith Langford and Pritch will all be stronger. If anything Stevens and the new coach see strength and toughness as vital to good season. We're going to compete. Win or lose, we're going to compete or no one is gonna come here. Last year was an embarrassment.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#57 » by cloverleaf » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:10 am

moonie_mcgee wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:
i agree about the pairings, and also that one of schroder or smart would be unhappy with that.

yep, forgot about enes :oops: i don't know which of horford or rwill should start, i suppose it might switch based on matchups. rob might be more effective if he gets to play against the other team's backups.

i honestly don't know what we'd do with fernando or dunn. can't we just trade TT without getting anything back lol?


Still spiraling down from the Thompson nut, at least Bruno is cheap. (And you need at least another deep bencher to keep Carsen company without a legit beef for not playing.) Dunn's at $5M, so I'm pretty sure there'll be another deal coming, even if it's just revisiting the Presti bank.


I think Hayes (sic?) and Bruno will bring much needed muscle to the front court. Plus we have Kanter back, Horford instead of Walker and a rehabbed RWill. Plus the undrafted 6'8 shooter has a solid frame. All this is an upgrade over last year. Plus Richardson and Dunn have good size and strength in the backcourt. AND Nesmith Langford and Pritch will all be stronger. If anything Stevens and the new coach see strength and toughness as vital to good season. We're going to compete. Win or lose, we're going to compete or no one is gonna come here. Last year was an embarrassment.


Agreed, Moonie, last year was an embarrassment. I just want enough shooting for the Jays to have the spacing to learn to pass out to their teammates. Nesmith and Pritchard are gonna have to earn big minutes for them to get that at this point. Would be great for Hauser to surprise by earning minutes as well, but that's asking a lot as an undrafted player at his position. Counting on him, Bruno and Dunn to be legit rotation players is asking a lot--and Al is old.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#58 » by Theocy » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:00 am

cloverleaf wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Still spiraling down from the Thompson nut, at least Bruno is cheap. (And you need at least another deep bencher to keep Carsen company without a legit beef for not playing.) Dunn's at $5M, so I'm pretty sure there'll be another deal coming, even if it's just revisiting the Presti bank.


I think Hayes (sic?) and Bruno will bring much needed muscle to the front court. Plus we have Kanter back, Horford instead of Walker and a rehabbed RWill. Plus the undrafted 6'8 shooter has a solid frame. All this is an upgrade over last year. Plus Richardson and Dunn have good size and strength in the backcourt. AND Nesmith Langford and Pritch will all be stronger. If anything Stevens and the new coach see strength and toughness as vital to good season. We're going to compete. Win or lose, we're going to compete or no one is gonna come here. Last year was an embarrassment.


Agreed, Moonie, last year was an embarrassment. I just want enough shooting for the Jays to have the spacing to learn to pass out to their teammates. Nesmith and Pritchard are gonna have to earn big minutes for them to get that at this point. Would be great for Hauser to surprise by earning minutes as well, but that's asking a lot as an undrafted player at his position. Counting on him, Bruno and Dunn to be legit rotation players is asking a lot--and Al is old.



How is Dunns defensive skillset ?
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#59 » by moonie_mcgee » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:52 am

Theocy wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
I think Hayes (sic?) and Bruno will bring much needed muscle to the front court. Plus we have Kanter back, Horford instead of Walker and a rehabbed RWill. Plus the undrafted 6'8 shooter has a solid frame. All this is an upgrade over last year. Plus Richardson and Dunn have good size and strength in the backcourt. AND Nesmith Langford and Pritch will all be stronger. If anything Stevens and the new coach see strength and toughness as vital to good season. We're going to compete. Win or lose, we're going to compete or no one is gonna come here. Last year was an embarrassment.


Agreed, Moonie, last year was an embarrassment. I just want enough shooting for the Jays to have the spacing to learn to pass out to their teammates. Nesmith and Pritchard are gonna have to earn big minutes for them to get that at this point. Would be great for Hauser to surprise by earning minutes as well, but that's asking a lot as an undrafted player at his position. Counting on him, Bruno and Dunn to be legit rotation players is asking a lot--and Al is old.



How is Dunns defensive skillset ?


Dunn is a big solid guard who can guard points. Ifvwe keep them Smart Richardson and Dunn along with Pritch and Romey we'd have a very good perimeter d team.
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Re: Boston Celtics: Point Guard Rotation, 2021-22 

Post#60 » by Hal14 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 3:56 am

ParticleMan wrote:So assuming the TT trade eventually happens we would have

Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Yam
Smart, Nesmith, Carsen
Brown, Romeo
Tatum, GWill, Parker
Horford, Rwill, Fernando

I like the team defensively. Offense will be a slog. Brutal spacing, teams will just dare Schroder and Smart to shoot.

you're forgetting Kanter and Richardson

And schroder deal is not done yet..

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