Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4

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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#21 » by BK_2020 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:41 pm

perempe20 wrote:
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perempe20 wrote:Nobody mentioned bad shot selection.

Because they took good shots.

If Boston had taken their shots in the paint, they would probably have won G4.

If Boston had taken contested shots instead of open threes, their chances of winning would've been lower.
Taking shots from the paint isn't some magic formula to scoring more efficiently. GSW shot 40 more threes than Boston and won.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#22 » by perempe20 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:49 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:Because they took good shots.

If Boston had taken their shots in the paint, they would probably have won G4.

If Boston had taken contested shots instead of open threes, their chances of winning would've been lower.
Taking shots from the paint isn't some magic formula to scoring more efficiently. GSW shot 40 more threes than Boston and won.

They weren't open, and as I've said the best shooters can make 40-45% of those open 3s.
The Warriors' strategy was not to give easy shots, it worked.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#23 » by TinmanZBoy » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:00 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
perempe20 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Because they took good shots.

If Boston had taken their shots in the paint, they would probably have won G4.

If Boston had taken contested shots instead of open threes, their chances of winning would've been lower.
Taking shots from the paint isn't some magic formula to scoring more efficiently. GSW shot 40 more threes than Boston and won.

Probably only the Dubs can consistently win that way with goat shooters by not only making threes but also their gravity to create easy shots…I know it is copy cat league, but the Dubs success is hard to copy …
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#24 » by druggas » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:07 pm

Conditioning seemed to be a factor.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#25 » by BK_2020 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:52 pm

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perempe20 wrote:If Boston had taken their shots in the paint, they would probably have won G4.

If Boston had taken contested shots instead of open threes, their chances of winning would've been lower.
Taking shots from the paint isn't some magic formula to scoring more efficiently. GSW shot 40 more threes than Boston and won.

Probably only the Dubs can consistently win that way with goat shooters by not only making threes but also their gravity to create easy shots…I know it is copy cat league, but the Dubs success is hard to copy …

Maybe, but that's not how it went down in the final minutes of Game 4. As shown above, Boston had 6 open threes. GSW scored mostly on Celtics' mistakes, offensive boards, or Curry heroball. Their shots were not easy, and when they were easy, it wasn't gravity but dumb mistakes.

Jaylen doesn't box out. Wiggins gets the board and puts it back.
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Wiggins put-back #2.
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Jaylen misses a switch. Klay open.
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Curry breaks down Timelord with the dribble and makes a nice floater.
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Curry sinks a tough shot after stopping on a dime.
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This opportunity was created because Boston doubled Curry but that was a strat they adopted because time was running out and they were down 3. GSW got the ball back after a stop because Draymond got the offensive board.
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Maybe GSW win most of their games by creating easy shots with scoring gravity, but in the second half of game 4, it was offensive rebounding and Curry's heroball that won them the game, as well as two defensive blunders. In fact GSW were killing Boston on the boards the entire series.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#26 » by Triple M » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:34 pm

MindState wrote:Boston had like 4-5 guys who were 30% 3 point shooters in the regular season, turn into Curry and Klay throughout the playoffs. It lasted until the finals. Their absolute crazy hot 3 point shooting as a team is what got them past the Bucks and the Heat, they just couldnt sustain it in the finals, because none of those guys are actually elite 3 point shooters, they were just all having hot streaks at the same time.


This isn't true, the Celtics were top 3 in shooting since Jan 1. The idea that they shot out of their minds is false, because they shot 37.3 % in the regular season from Jan 1 to the end of the season and shot 37.5 in the Eastern Conference playoffs and 41% in the Finals.

I also don't get when you say 4-5 of the shooters shot 30% in the playoffs because that isn't close to being true.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#27 » by rtiff68 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:35 pm

perempe20 wrote:Nobody mentioned bad shot selection.


Another underrated element to the Warriors is how their unorthodox style baits the opposition into bad shots.

Simply put, there are shots that Steph and Klay take that are good shots for them, but bad shots for basically anyone else. Over the course of a game, teams try to “counter punch” by “splashing back,” for lack of a better term…

…and GSW’s record in playoff series’ over the years has demonstrated that you aren’t very likely to win 4/7 against them playing like that.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#28 » by warriorschamps » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:37 pm

rtiff68 wrote:
perempe20 wrote:Nobody mentioned bad shot selection.


Another underrated element to the Warriors is how their unorthodox style baits the opposition into bad shots.

Simply put, there are shots that Steph and Klay take that are good shots for them, but bad shots for basically anyone else. Over the course of a game, teams try to “counter punch” by “splashing back,” for lack of a better term…

…and GSW’s record in playoff series’ over the years has demonstrated that you aren’t very likely to win 4/7 against them playing like that.


Yeah it's going to be pretty hard to out shoot Steph & Klay in a seven game series. In fact NOBODY has ever done it.

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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#29 » by BK_2020 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:39 pm

MindState wrote:Boston had like 4-5 guys who were 30% 3 point shooters in the regular season, turn into Curry and Klay throughout the playoffs. It lasted until the finals. Their absolute crazy hot 3 point shooting as a team is what got them past the Bucks and the Heat, they just couldnt sustain it in the finals, because none of those guys are actually elite 3 point shooters, they were just all having hot streaks at the same time.

Boston shot .349 from the three vs. the Heat.
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#30 » by LewisnotMiller » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:43 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
MindState wrote:Boston had like 4-5 guys who were 30% 3 point shooters in the regular season, turn into Curry and Klay throughout the playoffs. It lasted until the finals. Their absolute crazy hot 3 point shooting as a team is what got them past the Bucks and the Heat, they just couldnt sustain it in the finals, because none of those guys are actually elite 3 point shooters, they were just all having hot streaks at the same time.

Boston shot .349 from the three vs. the Heat.


And the Bucks left shooters wide open pretty much on purpose. You won't see Grant Williams taking 18 three point attempts very often...!
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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#31 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:19 am

76ciology wrote:Lack of playmaker who can create gravity or open looks for others at will

Its the drawback of the wing heavy offense. Clips suffered the same thing in G7 of the Nuggets series when PG and Kawhi shot horribly.

BK_2020 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Lack of playmaker who can create gravity or open looks for others at will

Its the drawback of the wing heavy offense. Clips suffered the same thing in G7 of the Nuggets series when PG and Kawhi shot horribly.

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All shot attempts from about 6:20 mark to when the game got out of hand.

Tatum cuts and misses a good layup attempt.
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Smart wide open three.
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This is Jaylen making a boneheaded play. Drive and shot a runner going to his left, a shot he never makes.
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Wiggins goes under the screen, gives Jaylen a wide open three.
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No open looks? Tatum is wide open.
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Defense collapses on Jaylen. Smart open for a corner three.
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Horford wide open for a three.
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Horford wide open for a corner three. This one actually gets converted.
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*[edit] I actually understand why people form opinions without knowing anything.


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Re: Boston's drought in the last quarter of G4 

Post#32 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Jul 2, 2022 7:23 am

warriorschamps wrote:
rtiff68 wrote:
perempe20 wrote:Nobody mentioned bad shot selection.


Another underrated element to the Warriors is how their unorthodox style baits the opposition into bad shots.

Simply put, there are shots that Steph and Klay take that are good shots for them, but bad shots for basically anyone else. Over the course of a game, teams try to “counter punch” by “splashing back,” for lack of a better term…

…and GSW’s record in playoff series’ over the years has demonstrated that you aren’t very likely to win 4/7 against them playing like that.


Yeah it's going to be pretty hard to out shoot Steph & Klay in a seven game series. In fact NOBODY has ever done it.



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