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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1761 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:45 am

uuaarrgh wrote:
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youngcrev wrote:
Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.


Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.


Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.


Why would Mavs do it? Mavs run a heavy 1-2-3 offense and heavy 4-5 for defense
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1762 » by Madd Squabbles » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:08 am

uuaarrgh wrote:
76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Those guys don't solve anything on the court. Hell, Morris makes you a decent amount worse. The benefit you'd get is redistributing the difference in salary elsewhere.

Bottom line with Harris is that he's a good player (particularly the version we saw post Harden trade), but just eats up way too much of your cap and makes it tough to add depth. Ideally you'd break that deal up into a multiple, quality rotation pieces.


Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.


Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.


If I'm Dallas the only trade I make for Harris is this:

Mavs get:

Tobias Harris

Sixers get:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Davis Bertans

Just trading bad contracts.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1763 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:28 am

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uuaarrgh wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Agree with all you said.

I also think Tobi is good but he’s obviously overpaid and obviously is tradeable or even benchable. If this is 2K, I’d start Reed or Bassey in Tobi’s place. Then have Tobi play 6th man.

But since I doubt Tobi will ever be a 6th man (for some unwritten rule i dont understand), I’d like to hear how the board’s idea is on how replacing Tobi for X will solve our defense and rebounding problem.

Some brought up the idea of replacing Green and Thybulle for a SF with more size. I think that will help but it still wont solve the problem.


Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.


If I'm Dallas the only trade I make for Harris is this:

Mavs get:

Tobias Harris

Sixers get:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Davis Bertans

Just trading bad contracts.


And why for the Sixers? Just for “bombs away”?
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1764 » by mjkvol » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:14 am

76ciology wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
uuaarrgh wrote:
Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.


If I'm Dallas the only trade I make for Harris is this:

Mavs get:

Tobias Harris

Sixers get:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Davis Bertans

Just trading bad contracts.


And why for the Sixers? Just for “bombs away”?


That's the point - Dallas isn't a good landing spot for a Harris trade because there would be no reason for them to do it other than dumping their own bad contracts. Kleber is a key part of their rotation and fits what they do, while Harris would make no sense there.

It's really an amazing, frustrating problem. Harris is a guy who the national media routinely calls an "all star level player", has respectable numbers, is a "good locker room guy" and a "leader", and yet the only way we can unload him is by taking garbage back.

If Morey can somehow pull off a deal moving Harris that lands us useful parts and doesn't cost us Maxey or #23, I'm ready to anoint him Executive Of The Year before the season even starts.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1765 » by fkd215 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:24 pm

I know I’m in the minority here, but I wouldn’t trade him unless it’s a significant on-court upgrade. His contract, which has been an albatross, becomes an asset next year as a $39M expiring. If we can get pieces that significantly help us this year, of course, make the trade. But if not, holding him until next year massively increases his value as a trade chip.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1766 » by elchengue20 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:57 pm

Im not dumping him for two worse players on equally bad or even longer contracts.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1767 » by Skates » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:33 pm

Harris is a guy I love and a contract I hate. If he can get more love in a trade now that he has only two years left and has proved a lot of varied skills I would move him for a mix of value and cap space, assuming the Harden decision then allows us to use said salary savings.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1768 » by Madd Squabbles » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:55 pm

76ciology wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
uuaarrgh wrote:
Harris for Hardaway Jr. and Kleber. Maxi is a perfect 3&D big next to JoJo. He's a solid rebounder and shot blocker, a very good defender and a solid 3-point shooter (yes, this season was a bit poor). He's used as a spot-up shooter which would fit perfectly to our core, but he has also a solid athletic and a good BB-IQ. Tim Hardaway is a streaky shooter, but he can give you 20 points any given night, but he had also a down year. Aside the shooting, he's not giving you too much. The main reasons for that deal would be the massively smaller (but longer) contract from THJ and Maxi Kleber's great fit in our team.


If I'm Dallas the only trade I make for Harris is this:

Mavs get:

Tobias Harris

Sixers get:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Davis Bertans

Just trading bad contracts.


And why for the Sixers? Just for “bombs away”?


The Sixers wouldn't. That's why I don't see a trade with Dallas. Any trade involving Harris will make the team worse and not better. This is my larger point. Teams are not trying to help the Sixers.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1769 » by Madd Squabbles » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:57 pm

mjkvol wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
If I'm Dallas the only trade I make for Harris is this:

Mavs get:

Tobias Harris

Sixers get:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Davis Bertans

Just trading bad contracts.


And why for the Sixers? Just for “bombs away”?


That's the point - Dallas isn't a good landing spot for a Harris trade because there would be no reason for them to do it other than dumping their own bad contracts. Kleber is a key part of their rotation and fits what they do, while Harris would make no sense there.

It's really an amazing, frustrating problem. Harris is a guy who the national media routinely calls an "all star level player", has respectable numbers, is a "good locker room guy" and a "leader", and yet the only way we can unload him is by taking garbage back.

If Morey can somehow pull off a deal moving Harris that lands us useful parts and doesn't cost us Maxey or #23, I'm ready to anoint him Executive Of The Year before the season even starts.


I would give him that title even at the expense of trading away #23 actually.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1770 » by Embiid P » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:11 pm

Come to think of it, if he can't move Harris for anything of value this offseason, Morey should be trying his hardest to trade Niang. He is inferior to Harris in all aspects except spot up shooting. Having two PFs that are average to poor defenders and rebounders is a non-starter for a title contender.

I know that he is the closest thing we have to a tough guy on the roster, but that can be easily replaced.

Trade Niang, sign or draft a defensive minded PF who can eventually replace Harris in the starting lineup over the course of the season, play Harris during non-Embiid minutes and try to move him at the deadline or next offseason when his value will be higher.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1771 » by Madd Squabbles » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:23 am

Embiid P wrote:Come to think of it, if he can't move Harris for anything of value this offseason, Morey should be trying his hardest to trade Niang. He is inferior to Harris in all aspects except spot up shooting. Having two PFs that are average to poor defenders and rebounders is a non-starter for a title contender.

I know that he is the closest thing we have to a tough guy on the roster, but that can be easily replaced.

Trade Niang, sign or draft a defensive minded PF who can eventually replace Harris in the starting lineup over the course of the season, play Harris during non-Embiid minutes and try to move him at the deadline or next offseason when his value will be higher.


We already have that player in Paul Reed. We need to draft a small forward or sign one or 2 as free agents.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1772 » by Embiid P » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:29 am

Madd Squabbles wrote:
Embiid P wrote:Come to think of it, if he can't move Harris for anything of value this offseason, Morey should be trying his hardest to trade Niang. He is inferior to Harris in all aspects except spot up shooting. Having two PFs that are average to poor defenders and rebounders is a non-starter for a title contender.

I know that he is the closest thing we have to a tough guy on the roster, but that can be easily replaced.

Trade Niang, sign or draft a defensive minded PF who can eventually replace Harris in the starting lineup over the course of the season, play Harris during non-Embiid minutes and try to move him at the deadline or next offseason when his value will be higher.


We already have that player in Paul Reed. We need to draft a small forward or sign one or 2 as free agents.


I thought about Reed when I made my last post, but until he expands his shooting range, he'll likely remain backup C to Embiid. Obviously him adding a jump shot would be best case scenario but until then, it's safer to add a vet in the Tucker/Portis/Morris mold.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1773 » by Madd Squabbles » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:35 am

Embiid P wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
Embiid P wrote:Come to think of it, if he can't move Harris for anything of value this offseason, Morey should be trying his hardest to trade Niang. He is inferior to Harris in all aspects except spot up shooting. Having two PFs that are average to poor defenders and rebounders is a non-starter for a title contender.

I know that he is the closest thing we have to a tough guy on the roster, but that can be easily replaced.

Trade Niang, sign or draft a defensive minded PF who can eventually replace Harris in the starting lineup over the course of the season, play Harris during non-Embiid minutes and try to move him at the deadline or next offseason when his value will be higher.


We already have that player in Paul Reed. We need to draft a small forward or sign one or 2 as free agents.


I thought about Reed when I made my last post, but until he expands his shooting range, he'll likely remain backup C to Embiid. Obviously him adding a jump shot would be best case scenario but until he proves that he can shoot, it's safer to add a vet in the Tucker/Portis/Morris mold.


Tucker and Portis aren't going anywhere. I'm hoping that EJ Liddell will drop to 23.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1774 » by Embiid P » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:40 am

Madd Squabbles wrote:
Embiid P wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
We already have that player in Paul Reed. We need to draft a small forward or sign one or 2 as free agents.


I thought about Reed when I made my last post, but until he expands his shooting range, he'll likely remain backup C to Embiid. Obviously him adding a jump shot would be best case scenario but until he proves that he can shoot, it's safer to add a vet in the Tucker/Portis/Morris mold.


Tucker and Portis aren't going anywhere. I'm hoping that EJ Liddell will drop to 23.


Liddell would be a nice steal at 23. If not him, I'd love to see Morey go after John Butler in the 2nd.
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Post#1775 » by spikeslovechild » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:45 am

Irving added us to the list. Harris for Irving make it happen lol
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1776 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:01 pm

Harris/Thybulle for one of:

-Washington/Hayward
-Collins/Gallinari
-Kleber/Bullock/Bertans
-Bojan/O’Neale/Gay

Get it done Morey!
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Post#1777 » by HardenGoat » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:42 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Thybulle for one of:

-Washington/Hayward
-Collins/Gallinari
-Kleber/Bullock/Bertans
-Bojan/O’Neale/Gay

Get it done Morey!

I always felt like Collins would be great with Harden but he seems to be unable to accept a defined role that spaces the floor for Trae to work. He wants to go to a team like Miami or Warriors. The other choices look good.
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Post#1778 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:58 pm

Collins wants the same thing as Tobias, more touches to be a more important option on offense. He won’t find that here.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1779 » by youngcrev » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:55 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Thybulle for one of:

-Washington/Hayward
-Collins/Gallinari
-Kleber/Bullock/Bertans
-Bojan/O’Neale/Gay

Get it done Morey!


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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1780 » by ankle420breaker » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:01 pm

youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Thybulle for one of:

-Washington/Hayward
-Collins/Gallinari
-Kleber/Bullock/Bertans
-Bojan/O’Neale/Gay

Get it done Morey!


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