1974-2017 Historical Playoff PIPM

OhayoKD · Post #1 » by **OhayoKD** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:19 pm

Thoughts?

Narigo · Post #2 » by **Narigo** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:29 pm

Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

AdagioPace · Post #3 » by **AdagioPace** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:41 pm

there's a big discrepancy in minutes and games played between players that makes it complicated to take it at face value. Shout-out to Doc Rivers

Good to see DRob that high (with a good sample too)

OhayoKD · Post #4 » by **OhayoKD** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:43 pm

Narigo wrote:Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

tbf, most of his games for this data-set were when he was a role player next to duncan. His reputation was mostly from when he was the first option and his teams tended to underperform defensively and offensively vs good-decent opponents

giberish · Post #5 » by **giberish** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:00 pm

Narigo wrote:Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

Always overblown iMO. Mostly he just went all-out during the regular season, so unlike guys who coasted some he couldn't increase his playoff effort level.

He also got 'stuck' as around a 2nd round team due to the OK but not great talent around him (pre tank and Duncan)

OhayoKD · Post #6 » by **OhayoKD** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:49 pm

giberish wrote:
Narigo wrote:Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

Always overblown iMO. Mostly he just went all-out during the regular season, so unlike guys who coasted some he couldn't increase his playoff effort level.

He also got 'stuck' as around a 2nd round team due to the OK but not great talent around him (pre tank and Duncan)

do you think he would have been able to elevate his playoff level if he didn't go all out in the regular season?

Post #7 » by **trex_8063** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:10 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
giberish wrote:
Narigo wrote:Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

Always overblown iMO. Mostly he just went all-out during the regular season, so unlike guys who coasted some he couldn't increase his playoff effort level.

He also got 'stuck' as around a 2nd round team due to the OK but not great talent around him (pre tank and Duncan)

do you think he would have been able to elevate his playoff level if he didn't go all out in the regular season?

Probably not so much a matter of "elevating" his play in the playoffs, but rather just not seeming like he has any noteworthy playoff decline (because his rs standard would be lower).

I've mentioned this in different wording in the past......
Robinson was essentially expected to be Michael Jordan on offense and Bill Russell on defense. And remarkably, he damn near pulled that off during the rs: was an all-time tier defensive anchor who also delivered a very efficient 27-30 ppg. That's why he utterly destroys all the competition in rs APM/AuPM data in '94 and '95, and then is 2nd to only Michael Jordan in '96 in APM (#1 just above Jordan in Ben Taylor's AuPM for '96).

It's a helluva standard to maintain. He frankly might be a GOAT candidate [or at least would be with better longevity] if he were able to maintain that in the playoffs.

DQuinn1575 · Post #8 » by **DQuinn1575** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:17 pm

Not his biggest fan, but surprising not to see Kobe, but see Paul, Stockton, Barkley, Lanier,
Rivers, Nance all listed.

giberish · Post #9 » by **giberish** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:34 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
giberish wrote:
Narigo wrote:Pretty shocked David Robinson is ranked so high. He is known to have bad playoff reputation

Always overblown iMO. Mostly he just went all-out during the regular season, so unlike guys who coasted some he couldn't increase his playoff effort level.

He also got 'stuck' as around a 2nd round team due to the OK but not great talent around him (pre tank and Duncan)

do you think he would have been able to elevate his playoff level if he didn't go all out in the regular season?

If his regular season standard of play were lower, then even with the same playoff performances the playoff performances would be better by comparison to the lower standard.

Also, by going 100% effort throughout the regular season he dragged some otherwise mediocre rosters to high regular season win totals. Due to the limited overall talent on those teams they were vulnerable to being upset by teams with more talent but fewer regular season wins. Some of the Spurs playoff losses were because they won 55 (or whatever) games with 47-win talent due to Robinson going harder in the regular season than other stars. So if that team loses in the playoffs to a 51-win team with 51-win talent it looks like an upset but really wasn't (and if Robinson game the regular season effort of other stars and the Sours were only won 47 games then it wouldn't be seen as an upset when they lose to a 51-win team to hurt his playoff reputation).

OhayoKD · Post #10 » by **OhayoKD** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:42 pm

DQuinn1575 wrote:Not his biggest fan, but surprising not to see Kobe, but see Paul, Stockton, Barkley, Lanier,
Rivers, Nance all listed.

longetvity probably hurts kobe here since averages usually go down the longer you play though that makes some of the table toppers even more impressive