22-23 Pistons Rotation/Minutes

Matt725 · Post #1 » by **Matt725** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:39 pm

As it stands of course.. Don't know who we're going to sign, but unless it's a Max player (the only way we don't have to pay more than other teams!), then we're better off holding off, and just get some good vets for the minimum, unless it's really filling a hole. We might not even have room for Livers, but I'm guessing (and hope) we pick up the team option (5 mil for a vet of his caliber is nothing) on Diallo, who I think can be a staple of our bench along with Stew (unless he starts at the 4, which Weaver kinda implied)..... Anyway, so far.

Cade-30/Hayes-18
Ivey-30/Diallo-18
Bey-32/Diallo-10/Cade-6
Olynyk-24/Bagley-24
Stew-30/Duren-18

I see no reason to keep Frank Jackson around..

JerseyJungle · Post #2 » by **JerseyJungle** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:05 pm

We have to keep FJax (or get a three point shooting replacemnt). Who shoots the three other than Bey? I'd get FJax or another 3 point shooter some minutes from Hammy and KO.

Matt725 · Post #3 » by **Matt725** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:38 pm

JerseyJungle wrote:We have to keep FJax (or get a three point shooting replacemnt). Who shoots the three other than Bey? I'd get FJax or another 3 point shooter some minutes from Hammy and KO.

Yeah, we definitely need a better replacement. And I don't know about Flint's very own. Distractions, shooting 6% less than the year before. But, hopefully we have enough assets, something, to get a guy who can 3 and D, but who has 2-3 yrs left on the contract.

We need consistency. No one shot very well from 3 for us last year, except Cojo, and he probably talked a few of those in. But like Miami - even though they were in need of offense, they weren't going to bring in Duncan, who can't defend. Anytime we get a guy who can't play defense, I just think to myself, "Here we go again..." and suffer it out.

SamFlow · Post #4 » by **SamFlow** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:59 pm

Matt725 wrote:As it stands of course.. Don't know who we're going to sign, but unless it's a Max player (the only way we don't have to pay more than other teams!), then we're better off holding off, and just get some good vets for the minimum, unless it's really filling a hole. We might not even have room for Livers, but I'm guessing (and hope) we pick up the team option (5 mil for a vet of his caliber is nothing) on Diallo, who I think can be a staple of our bench along with Stew (unless he starts at the 4, which Weaver kinda implied)..... Anyway, so far.

Cade-30/Hayes-18
Ivey-30/Diallo-18
Bey-32/Diallo-10/Cade-6
Olynyk-24/Bagley-24
Stew-30/Duren-18

I see no reason to keep Frank Jackson around..

Livers is going to get 10-16 minutes.
Bey will get run at PF.
Olynyk will start at Center. Stew backing him up. Duren fouls too much right now at 18 years. He'll need some time to adjust to the speed and the foul calling.
Bagley probably starts at pf with Bey backing him up some.
Diallo will not play 28 minutes a game. No way no how. More like 15. the same or slightly less than Livers will.
Cade and Ivey about right. Maybe a bit less while Ivey adjusts to pro ball and defense and fouls.
Oustide shooting is still needed, especially at the 4 spot. Backup point you can rely on.
I've not given up on Hayes, but he is not proven as a shooter or scorer.

So backup PG that can hit the three, one of the ones from last year.
Stretch 4 is needed maybe from charlotte. tweener like bey.
None of our starting centers are all that good.

I'd still try and get Ayton and Bridges. Although unlikely we get both, but we could undoubtedly get both with trading away 12 mil with KO, 5 mil with Diallo, while staying 10% less overall in a trade. It doesn't have to be exactly even. I think it's 10 or 15% difference. We could do it if we wanted.

that would also allow for assets we could use to upgrade later for a better star to pair with cade and ivey later on.

zeebneeb · Post #5 » by **zeebneeb** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:07 pm

Gotta read the articles before making any assessments about playtime and such.

Casey has talked about 3 gaurd lineups, specifically Cade/Ivey/Hayes

Weaver has talked about Stewart and Duren playing and starting together.

Duren is going to play wy ay more minutes this year then people think. He is 18, but he is absolutely not a raw 18. Obviously he has growing to do, but he could come in and start immediately. Very college type atmosphere here in Detroit, and the average starting age is going to be around 20.

Have to see what free agents are going to be signed, but as it stands right now, using what I've read;

Duren/Olynyk
Stewart/Bagley
Bey/Livers
Ivey/Hayes
Cade/Hayes

Resigning Bagley is a priority, as stated by multiple people.

I am unsure of the rest of the club to be honest. We'll all know around June 30th, july2nd whats going on for sure though.

Southern Piston · Post #6 » by **Southern Piston** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:10 pm

I think Stewart is a guarantee to start for another season if we don’t get Ayton. KO is not gonna be the starting center, and I really doubt Duran displaces Stewart in year one, I’d guess year 3 if there both still there. I love the combination, I think it’s gonna be great center duo.

bstein14 · Post #7 » by **bstein14** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:15 pm

It's all pretty moot right now.... give it a week to 10 days to see who's on the roster this year. Right now we don't know if Diallo's option is even getting picked up but we'll know in 2 or 3 days.

vege · Post #8 » by **vege** » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:32 pm

Our roster is imcomplete. We're adding at least 2-3 more guys.

Matt725 · Post #9 » by **Matt725** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:43 pm

I also read Weaver say Stew can play the 4, and either he or Casey mentioned him becoming more of a 3-pt threat. I like his mid-range shot, and don't mind the open 3, as opposed to forcing the issue. Stew can still help us coming off the bench.... forever! He embodies what we're about, and what the Detroit Pistons (championship teams, anyway) resemble.

I'm not a big stat guy, but didn't he have the best "switching defense"? I read a stat during the playoffs. They were focusing on someone else, but Stew held all he guarded to a lower percentage than almost everyone in the league. That is CRUCIAL in today's NBA, when guys have to guard multiple positions.

It also looks like we're signing Diallo's option, and declining Frank's.. Let's just get a 3-pt shooter who can play defense. If we're going to spend cap money, let's get a complete player.

Post #10 » by **Cowology** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:11 am

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but we're seeing a buncha "predict________" threads popping up when it's way too early for that stuff. We haven't even elected all our options and could be major players in FA.

Post #11 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:27 am

Cowology wrote:Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but we're seeing a buncha "predict________" threads popping up when it's way too early for that stuff. We haven't even elected all our options and could be major players in FA.

Yeah there’s really no point in doing this as though the guys we have under contract comprise our final roster. Not everyone who will be getting rotational minutes is under contract yet.

Post #12 » by **Cowology** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:43 am

Snakebites wrote:
Cowology wrote:Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but we're seeing a buncha "predict________" threads popping up when it's way too early for that stuff. We haven't even elected all our options and could be major players in FA.

Yeah there’s really no point in doing this as though the guys we have under contract comprise our final roster. Not everyone who will be getting rotational minutes is under contract yet.

We can't even say with certainty that any player (besides Cade) is guaransheed to be on our roster come opening day. What if we do pull off a S&T for Ayton? Or make some other significant move that sends multiple young guys out. Unlikely but far from impossible. We just don't know. Too many pieces still on the board.

Post #13 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:45 am

Cowology wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Cowology wrote:Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but we're seeing a buncha "predict________" threads popping up when it's way too early for that stuff. We haven't even elected all our options and could be major players in FA.

Yeah there’s really no point in doing this as though the guys we have under contract comprise our final roster. Not everyone who will be getting rotational minutes is under contract yet.
We can't even say with certainty that any player (besides Cade) is guaransheed to be on our roster come opening day. What if we do pull off a S&T for Ayton? Or make some other significant move that sends multiple young guys out. Unlikely but far from impossible. We just don't know. Too many pieces still on the board.

I’m reasonably certain we aren’t dealing Ivey, and would be stunned to see Duren or Saddiq moved.

Post #14 » by **Cowology** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:57 am

Snakebites wrote:
Cowology wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Yeah there’s really no point in doing this as though the guys we have under contract comprise our final roster. Not everyone who will be getting rotational minutes is under contract yet.
We can't even say with certainty that any player (besides Cade) is guaransheed to be on our roster come opening day. What if we do pull off a S&T for Ayton? Or make some other significant move that sends multiple young guys out. Unlikely but far from impossible. We just don't know. Too many pieces still on the board.

I’m reasonably certain we aren’t dealing Ivey, and would be stunned to see Duren or Saddiq moved.

Yeah, I think Ivey/Duren are probably safe. I'd expect Bey/Stewart/Hayes etc to all be available in the right deal. Point is there could be significant changes to our roster.

Manocad · Post #15 » by **Manocad** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:17 am

I predict that the Pistons roster will average slightly more than 240 MPG.

Post #16 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 am

Cowology wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Cowology wrote:We can't even say with certainty that any player (besides Cade) is guaransheed to be on our roster come opening day. What if we do pull off a S&T for Ayton? Or make some other significant move that sends multiple young guys out. Unlikely but far from impossible. We just don't know. Too many pieces still on the board.

I’m reasonably certain we aren’t dealing Ivey, and would be stunned to see Duren or Saddiq moved.

Yeah, I think Ivey/Duren are probably safe. I'd expect Bey/Stewart/Hayes etc to all be available in the right deal. Point is there could be significant changes to our roster.

I mean, everyone's available for the "right" trade- it's just a matter of how realistic the "right" trade is. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be stunned if they were moved.

I think we probably value Bey more than other teams do.

But yes, there will be significant changes to the roster, and that's true even if none of those guys are traded.

Manocad · Post #17 » by **Manocad** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:55 am

Snakebites wrote:
Cowology wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I’m reasonably certain we aren’t dealing Ivey, and would be stunned to see Duren or Saddiq moved.

Yeah, I think Ivey/Duren are probably safe. I'd expect Bey/Stewart/Hayes etc to all be available in the right deal. Point is there could be significant changes to our roster.

I mean, everyone's available for the "right" trade- it's just a matter of how realistic the "right" trade is. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be stunned if they were moved.

I think we probably value Bey more than other teams do.

But yes, there will be significant changes to the roster, and that's true even if none of those guys are traded.

I mean at some point you have to draw a line at swapping players out. For example, and I'm not going to get into the salaries, but let's say there are trades available for Levine and Embiid but it costs the Pistons Ivey, Duren, Bey, Stew, KO, Hayes and Diallo and whatever else is required from a money/picks/whatever considerations standpoint to make it work. A core of Cade, Levine and Embiid is monstrous, for sure. But now you're back to zero for the other 7 guys you'd expect to be part of a regular 10-man rotation. Well, except for Livers. And how long does it take to find 7 other guys that fit within the cap and gel into something much better than Cade, Levine, Embiid and garbage? Because Cade, Levine, Embiid and garbage isn't going to win you anything.

Post #18 » by **Cowology** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:22 am

I was seriously concerned with what would happen if we traded for Embiid/Levine, but now that we've drawn a line I feel better protected.

kierkegaard · Post #19 » by **kierkegaard** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:00 am

Manocad wrote:I predict that the Pistons roster will average slightly more than 240 MPG.

Sure -the OT effect.

On the other hand, isn't it a rule now (or a rule soon to be implemented) that every game following an OT game automatically gets shortened to compensate for the extra minutes of the prior OT game? Thought I read that somewhere.

tmorgan · Post #20 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:08 am

kierkegaard wrote:
Manocad wrote:I predict that the Pistons roster will average slightly more than 240 MPG.

Sure -the OT effect.

On the other hand, isn't it a rule now (or a rule soon to be implemented) that every game following an OT game automatically gets shortened to compensate for the extra minutes of the prior OT game? Thought I read that somewhere.

Whaaaaat? That can’t be true.