Poll: would you trade JB for KD?

[BK_2020]

To all those saying Jaylen is only 25, etc., please remember Jaylen Brown's game is just not scalable. He sores on catch-and-shoot threes and attacking mismatches on ISO. Jaylen doesn't create his own catch-and-shoot opportunities with off-ball movement. He stands in one of the wing spots and waits. He upped his volume from 20 ppg to 23 by increasing his midrange output but that required 3 more shots per game and his TS% to go from .583 in 2019-20 to .572 in 2021-22 (103 TS+ to 101 TS+).
Jaylen will never be a good cutter because 1. it requires reading the defense and making good decisions and 2. it requires cardio and 3. it requires effort.
On defense, because Jaylen can't play team defense, Ime has to simplify the game for him and have him faceguard someone.
Around 23 ppg on average efficiency or 20 ppg on good but not great efficiency is what he is. Anything beyond that requires us to imagine Jaylen Brown acquiring an entirely new personality or developing in a wildly unexpected way. We could say oh but Jaylen would be good if he could only raise his IQ but that's like saying Semi would be good if he was 7 feet tall. It's meaningless.
KD from 34, 35, 36 is almost guaranteed to give us 2x what Jaylen gives us. 37 is getting a little iffy but I'm ok with with that and Brad should be, too.

[Tyakack]

Would I trade JB for a prime Durant? Yes. But this isn’t Durant in his prime. He just got swept & we made it to the finals.

His team got swept. By a better team. Put KD on the celtics and Tatum on the nets and the celtics still win.

[Scarletfire81]

Would I trade JB for a prime Durant? Yes. But this isn’t Durant in his prime. He just got swept & we made it to the finals.

His team got swept. By a better team. Put KD on the celtics and Tatum on the nets and the celtics still win.

That’s hypothetical, what isn’t hypothetical is that he got swept by a team with JB on it.

[Tyakack]

Would I trade JB for a prime Durant? Yes. But this isn’t Durant in his prime. He just got swept & we made it to the finals.

His team got swept. By a better team. Put KD on the celtics and Tatum on the nets and the celtics still win.

That’s hypothetical, what isn’t hypothetical is that he got swept by a team with JB on it.

Um, okay? lol. That means literally nothing. KD is still a much better player than brown will ever be. Even at his age.

[BK_2020]

Would I trade JB for a prime Durant? Yes. But this isn’t Durant in his prime. He just got swept & we made it to the finals.

His team got swept. By a better team. Put KD on the celtics and Tatum on the nets and the celtics still win.

That’s hypothetical, what isn’t hypothetical is that he got swept by a team with JB on it.

I don't understand your point. Daniel Theis was also on the team that swept KD. Would you rather have Theis over KD?

[Scarletfire81]

His team got swept. By a better team. Put KD on the celtics and Tatum on the nets and the celtics still win.

That’s hypothetical, what isn’t hypothetical is that he got swept by a team with JB on it.

I don't understand your point. Daniel Theis was also on the team that swept KD. Would you rather have Theis over KD?

Comparing Theis to Jaylen? We don’t deserve JB honestly.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Apparently Jaylen liked a tweet saying he is very disrespected by Celtics fans.

Will be interesting watching people cry here when he leaves in two seasons.

[BK_2020]

That’s hypothetical, what isn’t hypothetical is that he got swept by a team with JB on it.

I don't understand your point. Daniel Theis was also on the team that swept KD. Would you rather have Theis over KD?

Comparing Theis to Jaylen? We don’t deserve JB honestly.

I absolutely agree that we don't deserve JB.

[chrisab123]

Apparently Jaylen liked a tweet saying he is very disrespected by Celtics fans.

Will be interesting watching people cry here when he leaves in two seasons.

Him and Tatum are both headed to bigger markets when its time. The question is do the Celtics realize this prior to the trade demand or after. I'd like to keep them both here and add a star but thats probably not going to happen even with a title. Tatum wants to be a Laker and Brown to Miami has been a rumor before. Unfortunately Boston can't change where it is geographically and can't change its nightlife. Is what it is. The good thing is that this team does have the right coach leading it so when both leave I don't think you'll see them go to the level of the Knicks.

But yes I'd trade Brown for KD even though KD is the Beta GOAT. Because Brown is gone in 2 years (trade demand will probably come within that time) and KD is stuck for 4 on his contract.

[BK_2020]

Boston can pay Tatum 35% of the cap, 4+1 plus 8% increases. Boston can offer the supermax a year before free agency. We have a very good chance of retaining Tatum. There are precedents of stars turning down the supermax (Kawhi and AD) but most stars take the supermax even in really unappealing cities (OKC, Philadelphia, Milwaukee).

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Apparently Jaylen liked a tweet saying he is very disrespected by Celtics fans.

Will be interesting watching people cry here when he leaves in two seasons.

Him and Tatum are both headed to bigger markets when its time. The question is do the Celtics realize this prior to the trade demand or after. I'd like to keep them both here and add a star but thats probably not going to happen even with a title. Tatum wants to be a Laker and Brown to Miami has been a rumor before. Unfortunately Boston can't change where it is geographically and can't change its nightlife. Is what it is. The good thing is that this team does have the right coach leading it so when both leave I don't think you'll see them go to the level of the Knicks.

But yes I'd trade Brown for KD even though KD is the Beta GOAT. Because Brown is gone in 2 years (trade demand will probably come within that time) and KD is stuck for 4 on his contract.

I do think that once Tatum leaves there could be a chance we retain JB but, there's no real way to predict these things.

[chrisab123]

Boston can pay Tatum 35% of the cap, 4+1 plus 8% increases. Boston can offer the supermax a year before free agency. We have a very good chance of retaining Tatum. There are precedents of stars turning down the supermax (Kawhi and AD) but most stars take the supermax even in really unappealing cities (OKC, Philadelphia, Milwaukee).

Boston stands a good but not great chance. As we've seen in the past stars that ask out usually get their money regardless. Is it better than last offseason? Of course. Id put the odds of Tatum returning to Boston at about 30-40% with LA having about a 55% chance with the other 5% chance being Miami. There was smoke about him and Brown being interested in the Heat and vice versa last offseason. I think the most logical destination for Tatum is the Lakers though.

Tatum grew up a Laker fan. That plus weather and endorsements spins it into that direction.

[ParticleMan]

I don't trade JB for KD, despite the talent upgrade. KD's contract is a killer. He will be paid $54m at age 37. There is zero chance in hell he is worth that. Plus we would probably have to add a sweetener, and that totally tilts it towards a big fat negatory.

I think we are not that far away from a championship team. If we had gotten lucky like TOR against GS with their injuries we would be champions now. We are in the hunt. I think we still have to surpass MIL in the EC and then GS in the WC. But we are not far off at all, and we have a young and still improving team that has only played 1 year under a new system. Our problem isn't our starting 5, it's that we need a more consistent bench with more punch.

[Stan34]

So I’ll ask this differently.

Do you think KD drops to a top 20 or lower guy? Or do you think Jaylen jumps to a top 10 guy? Because he’s going to be 26 when the season starts, huge jumps almost never happen after that.

Really? So curry was this guy at 25? Wanna talk about butler at 25? List is endless. Put a ceiling on jaylen has been a lost game for years from you.

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Jaylen hasn't just plateau'd, he's gotten worse this season compared to the last season. So maybe let's put the brakes on Jaylen the Infinite Improver talk?

Oh just stop!

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[brackdan70]

I’d also say if we are trading Brown plus Salary and assets we can find a better player that fits with our teams window.

[BK_2020]

Boston can pay Tatum 35% of the cap, 4+1 plus 8% increases. Boston can offer the supermax a year before free agency. We have a very good chance of retaining Tatum. There are precedents of stars turning down the supermax (Kawhi and AD) but most stars take the supermax even in really unappealing cities (OKC, Philadelphia, Milwaukee).

Boston stands a good but not great chance. As we've seen in the past stars that ask out usually get their money regardless. Is it better than last offseason? Of course. Id put the odds of Tatum returning to Boston at about 30-40% with LA having about a 55% chance with the other 5% chance being Miami. There was smoke about him and Brown being interested in the Heat and vice versa last offseason. I think the most logical destination for Tatum is the Lakers though.

Tatum grew up a Laker fan. That plus weather and endorsements spins it into that direction.

Do you think Jaylen Brown grew up a Celtics fan, or that Jokic grew up idolizing Shareef Abdul-Rahim? What team a player followed as a child is really as meaningless as it gets. They are professionals who get paid to play basketball. They don't care as much for narratives spun by fans with nothing substantial at stake. That's why they can be friends with players from other teams, or smile and be fairly content after tough losses. Because they treat basketball like a job it is to them.

[TSmith0197]

Boston can pay Tatum 35% of the cap, 4+1 plus 8% increases. Boston can offer the supermax a year before free agency. We have a very good chance of retaining Tatum. There are precedents of stars turning down the supermax (Kawhi and AD) but most stars take the supermax even in really unappealing cities (OKC, Philadelphia, Milwaukee).

Boston stands a good but not great chance. As we've seen in the past stars that ask out usually get their money regardless. Is it better than last offseason? Of course. Id put the odds of Tatum returning to Boston at about 30-40% with LA having about a 55% chance with the other 5% chance being Miami. There was smoke about him and Brown being interested in the Heat and vice versa last offseason. I think the most logical destination for Tatum is the Lakers though.

Tatum grew up a Laker fan. That plus weather and endorsements spins it into that direction.

By that logic Paul Pierce would have gone to the Lakers.

[MagicBagley18]

If this team won the championship I’d have said they were a very good team who rode the back of a great defense and great individual play from an all nba first team stud and capitalized on some luck getting milwaukee with no Middleton ( and most championships require some form of luck ). I don’t think any of these teams this year were really great teams tbh.

Are the warriors a great team? No, but they had an all time great putting on a shooting clinic and have a proven championship pedigree. That said if you wanted to trade brown and fillers for Kevin Durant it’s not an admission that you didn’t think this iteration of the team was really good....it’s just you’d think they’d be at another level with KD.

All these stats that show how great we were January on are cute but in the end mean nothing. They are for losers.

[chrisab123]

I’d also say if we are trading Brown plus Salary and assets we can find a better player that fits with our teams window.

Trading Brown for another 24-25 year old does not help this team. Remember the fact that they were young and inexperienced is a big reason for them not winning the title. So trading a guy with Finals experience and arguably their only good/consistent player in the finals for another young player is at best a mild downgrade.

[cl2117]

I honestly don't see a problem with people voting either way.

If you say you'd trade Jaylen for Durant, can't blame you. KD is genuinely one of the greatest scorers every. No shade on Brown in saying that you'd take KD over him. There are probably under 10 guys in the league that I'd say I'd take over Jaylen. I feel like that's a huge compliment compared to it being a slight.

And then flip it around if you'd say you wouldn't trade Jaylen for KD that's nothing to scoff at either. You've got one guy just entering his prime and one guy coming to the end of his. Honestly I'm happy we've had a front office that's played the long-game as opposed to being like the Raptors and risking it all for one banner (although shout out to them for pushing in all their chips and actually getting it done). You can definitely win a ring or two with a KD/Tatum duo, but the same can be said about Tatum/Brown especially if that's a pairing we can have for the next 10 years. It's got higher upside and more longevity.

Hate seeing Jaylen seem to think he's undervalued here. It's hard to be a 1B but I hope he can be mature enough to handle being a Pippen and not a Jordan.