Poll: would you trade JB for KD?

[sam_I_am]

When we traded Al Jefferson for KG there were many who were upset because Al was up and coming and KG was past his prime at 31. It was a great trade as KG was MVP year 1 and won a title. However, we only got 1 1/2 years of great KG. JB is a lot better than Big Al and KD is already 34. I think KD looked diminished compared to the guy that pushed the Bucks to the limit the year before. He isn’t top 3 anymore.

If KD is great for 3 years it’s a no brainer but I think there is 50/50 chance his contract is terrible in 1 1/2 years. For that reason, in the words of Mark Cuban, I’m out.

[CeltsfaninDC]

No. The Celtics need to add to what they have, not take away from it even if Durant is one hell of a player. Additionally, Durant is 34 before the season starts. And then you probably have to give up a few picks with that.

Agreed. -- Jaylen Brown is 8 years younger.
Durant is a Great player. But, how many years does he have?

I'd rather keep Jaylen as our #2 Option. And not mess with the continuity of this Team.
"1 in the Hand, is Worth 10 in the Bush."



P.S.:
Didn't we Sweep the Durant & Kyrie Duo?

I feel like I'm reliving the entire "We can't trade Al Jefferson" debate all over again. This is KD we are talking about. I LOVE JB, but KD puts this team over the top.

[Dangit]

Without Blinking... especially if we could get beal

[brackdan70]

I’d also say if we are trading Brown plus Salary and assets we can find a better player that fits with our teams window.

Trading Brown for another 24-25 year old does not help this team. Remember the fact that they were young and inexperienced is a big reason for them not winning the title. So trading a guy with Finals experience and arguably their only good/consistent player in the finals for another young player is at best a mild downgrade.

Agreed. I am not advocating for any Brown trade. Just saying if we are going to do it I’d rather do something other than 33 year old Durant owed nearly 200 million dollars.

[Feed Your Head]

Using the 4 games from the playoff round we swept them in for an argument against KD is just weird. It’s a 4 game sample lol, he had a 52% TS in that series. Just for comparison sake, Jaylen had a TS of 51% through the first 5 games of the finals. It’s a disingenuous argument, to say the least.

You want to say you’d rather keep the team homegrown and prefer to try and win that way? I disagree, but I get the allure. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a MASSIVE gap between the two players. Raw stats, advanced stats, on/off stats all paint the same picture from this last season, one player being multiple tiers ahead of the other one. I can’t see that changing for at least the next two seasons, personally.

This thread shows why the entire “Jaylen gets too much hate” thing is false, and fans being willing to deal him for freaking Durant isn’t disrespect anyways. I guarantee that if a poll was done between here, Twitter, and Reddit, Jaylen would absolutely be voted as the most well liked player on the Celtics by fans. If he leaves in two years, it’s because he wants to try being the lead guy somewhere, not because he “feels disrespected”. Based on how this team plays when Tatum sits, it probably wouldn’t be the results he’d hope for. I think he stays though, especially if we continue being in the picture for a championship.

[MagicBagley18]

Using the 4 games from the playoff round we swept them in for an argument against KD is just weird. It’s a 4 game sample lol, he had a 52% TS in that series. Just for comparison sake, Jaylen had a TS of 51% through the first 5 games of the finals. It’s a disingenuous argument, to say the least.

You want to say you’d rather keep the team homegrown and prefer to try and win that way? I disagree, but I get the allure. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a MASSIVE gap between the two players. Raw stats, advanced stats, on/off stats all paint the same picture from this last season, one player being multiple tiers ahead of the other one. I can’t see that changing for at least the next two seasons, personally.

This thread shows why the entire “Jaylen gets too much hate” thing is false, and fans being willing to deal him for freaking Durant isn’t disrespect anyways. I guarantee that if a poll was done between here, Twitter, and Reddit, Jaylen would absolutely be voted as the most well liked player on the Celtics by fans. If he leaves in two years, it’s because he wants to try being the lead guy somewhere, not because he “feels disrespected”. Based on how this team plays when Tatum sits, it probably wouldn’t be the results he’d hope for. I think he stays though, especially if we continue being in the picture for a championship.

How about using his stint in Brooklyn as a knock on him and disregarding the rest of his career lol...

[GoCeltics123]

Using the 4 games from the playoff round we swept them in for an argument against KD is just weird. It’s a 4 game sample lol, he had a 52% TS in that series. Just for comparison sake, Jaylen had a TS of 51% through the first 5 games of the finals. It’s a disingenuous argument, to say the least.

You want to say you’d rather keep the team homegrown and prefer to try and win that way? I disagree, but I get the allure. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a MASSIVE gap between the two players. Raw stats, advanced stats, on/off stats all paint the same picture from this last season, one player being multiple tiers ahead of the other one. I can’t see that changing for at least the next two seasons, personally.

This thread shows why the entire “Jaylen gets too much hate” thing is false, and fans being willing to deal him for freaking Durant isn’t disrespect anyways. I guarantee that if a poll was done between here, Twitter, and Reddit, Jaylen would absolutely be voted as the most well liked player on the Celtics by fans. If he leaves in two years, it’s because he wants to try being the lead guy somewhere, not because he “feels disrespected”. Based on how this team plays when Tatum sits, it probably wouldn’t be the results he’d hope for. I think he stays though, especially if we continue being in the picture for a championship.

Yeah the SI article on him during the Finals kinda showed what he thought of everything in Boston. He talked about how much he appreciated Danny and Brad for not trading him and believing in him and all, even when "casual fans" wanted him gone.

He's a guy who clearly takes stuff personally, and he's probably had some hard feelings towards the fans since he got booed here on draft night. The trade rumors probably play a big part in that. But Steve Bulpett (and you last year mentioned this too obviously since you heard it) brought up that it would be a basketball decision if he left. Like, the Bulpett report came out when the team was bad, and all the rumors and stuff went away when the team was good. Also, I don't think he HATES the city or anything; he has his brand here and does stuff with MIT I think.

The team I'm still worried about is the Hawks obviously since he's from there, clearly loves it there, and would probably be appreciated more. But Trae is the guy there, and their team was not good this past year. Also, It's not a situation where he'd be the #1. So leaving for them, barring a Hawks turnaround/Celtics downfall, is not a basketball decision.

I think Jaylen's plan is to try to win a ring here if we're still good, then look for his own situation. At least if we don't trade him for KD or something first.

[Feed Your Head]

Using the 4 games from the playoff round we swept them in for an argument against KD is just weird. It’s a 4 game sample lol, he had a 52% TS in that series. Just for comparison sake, Jaylen had a TS of 51% through the first 5 games of the finals. It’s a disingenuous argument, to say the least.

You want to say you’d rather keep the team homegrown and prefer to try and win that way? I disagree, but I get the allure. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a MASSIVE gap between the two players. Raw stats, advanced stats, on/off stats all paint the same picture from this last season, one player being multiple tiers ahead of the other one. I can’t see that changing for at least the next two seasons, personally.

This thread shows why the entire “Jaylen gets too much hate” thing is false, and fans being willing to deal him for freaking Durant isn’t disrespect anyways. I guarantee that if a poll was done between here, Twitter, and Reddit, Jaylen would absolutely be voted as the most well liked player on the Celtics by fans. If he leaves in two years, it’s because he wants to try being the lead guy somewhere, not because he “feels disrespected”. Based on how this team plays when Tatum sits, it probably wouldn’t be the results he’d hope for. I think he stays though, especially if we continue being in the picture for a championship.

How about using his stint in Brooklyn as a knock on him and disregarding the rest of his career lol...

Even with that, they were an inch away from beating the Bucks last year, and this season they went 36-19 when he played. Yeah they got swept, but that team was ass, and Durant struggled with his shot. Using that four games as an argument though? It’s being basketball fan dishonest, considering he put up 30/7/6 on a 63% TS in the other 55 games.

[BK_2020]

The team I'm still worried about is the Hawks obviously since he's from there, clearly loves it there, and would probably be appreciated more. But Trae is the guy there, and their team was not good this past year. Also, It's not a situation where he'd be the #1. So leaving for them, barring a Hawks turnaround/Celtics downfall, is not a basketball decision.

I think Jaylen's plan is to try to win a ring here if we're still good, then look for his own situation. At least if we don't trade him for KD or something first.

I don't think Jaylen would be a #1 anywhere in the NBA and Jaylen is smart enough to know that.

[MagicBagley18]

Using the 4 games from the playoff round we swept them in for an argument against KD is just weird. It’s a 4 game sample lol, he had a 52% TS in that series. Just for comparison sake, Jaylen had a TS of 51% through the first 5 games of the finals. It’s a disingenuous argument, to say the least.

You want to say you’d rather keep the team homegrown and prefer to try and win that way? I disagree, but I get the allure. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a MASSIVE gap between the two players. Raw stats, advanced stats, on/off stats all paint the same picture from this last season, one player being multiple tiers ahead of the other one. I can’t see that changing for at least the next two seasons, personally.

This thread shows why the entire “Jaylen gets too much hate” thing is false, and fans being willing to deal him for freaking Durant isn’t disrespect anyways. I guarantee that if a poll was done between here, Twitter, and Reddit, Jaylen would absolutely be voted as the most well liked player on the Celtics by fans. If he leaves in two years, it’s because he wants to try being the lead guy somewhere, not because he “feels disrespected”. Based on how this team plays when Tatum sits, it probably wouldn’t be the results he’d hope for. I think he stays though, especially if we continue being in the picture for a championship.

How about using his stint in Brooklyn as a knock on him and disregarding the rest of his career lol...

Even with that, they were an inch away from beating the Bucks last year, and this season they went 36-19 when he played. Yeah they got swept, but that team was ass, and Durant struggled with his shot. Using that four games as an argument though? It’s being basketball fan dishonest, considering he put up 30/7/6 on a 63% TS in the other 55 games.

Oh for sure it’s just funny to see the gymnastics....dishonest is the right word.

[Feed Your Head]

The team I'm still worried about is the Hawks obviously since he's from there, clearly loves it there, and would probably be appreciated more. But Trae is the guy there, and their team was not good this past year. Also, It's not a situation where he'd be the #1. So leaving for them, barring a Hawks turnaround/Celtics downfall, is not a basketball decision.

I think Jaylen's plan is to try to win a ring here if we're still good, then look for his own situation. At least if we don't trade him for KD or something first.

The Hawks are definitely the exception to the above, and it’s no secret in basketball circles that him eventually ending up there isn’t exactly some longshot.

[GoCeltics123]

The team I'm still worried about is the Hawks obviously since he's from there, clearly loves it there, and would probably be appreciated more. But Trae is the guy there, and their team was not good this past year. Also, It's not a situation where he'd be the #1. So leaving for them, barring a Hawks turnaround/Celtics downfall, is not a basketball decision.

I think Jaylen's plan is to try to win a ring here if we're still good, then look for his own situation. At least if we don't trade him for KD or something first.

The Hawks are definitely the exception to the above, and it’s no secret in basketball circles that him eventually ending up there isn’t exactly some longshot.

Oh for sure, it just wouldn't make sense as a basketball move right now.

Like if this team got bounced in the first round, sure then I'd be more worried. But they just made the finals. I figure JB is smart enough to know that his best chance of winning right now is in Boston. If the Celtics are a contender for like the next 3 years or so, it'd be tough to justify JB leaving unless he wanted to be the man.

When Bulpett's rumor of him asking out came up, that was when the team was bad. Now they're not. Like, he clearly loves playing for Ime and loves this team and the organization, I think at least. Just not the fans, I guess.

But I mean, the way he talks about the team having a bright future and all after the season, it doesn't sound like someone who wants to go right now.

[Feed Your Head]

The team I'm still worried about is the Hawks obviously since he's from there, clearly loves it there, and would probably be appreciated more. But Trae is the guy there, and their team was not good this past year. Also, It's not a situation where he'd be the #1. So leaving for them, barring a Hawks turnaround/Celtics downfall, is not a basketball decision.

I think Jaylen's plan is to try to win a ring here if we're still good, then look for his own situation. At least if we don't trade him for KD or something first.

The Hawks are definitely the exception to the above, and it’s no secret in basketball circles that him eventually ending up there isn’t exactly some longshot.

Oh for sure, it just wouldn't make sense as a basketball move right now.

Like if this team got bounced in the first round, sure then I'd be more worried. But they just made the finals. I figure JB is smart enough to know that his best chance of winning right now is in Boston. If the Celtics are a contender for like the next 3 years or so, it'd be tough to justify JB leaving unless he wanted to be the man.

When Bulpett's rumor of him asking out came up, that was when the team was bad. Now they're not. Like, he clearly loves playing for Ime and loves this team and the organization, I think at least. Just not the fans, I guess.

But I mean, the way he talks about the team having a bright future and all after the season, it doesn't sound like someone who wants to go right now.

He doesn’t lol. He is very happy here, same as Tatum, same as Smart. It’s not like people are looking to give him away, we are taking about KD.

As far as him liking the tweet, it’s nothing lmao. I’d be legit shocked if it wasn’t just him scrolling through, and when he saw the tweet, he appreciate the sentiment, so liked it.

[Stan34]

Guys on this board that want to trade Jaylen for KD are the same guys would liked to trade him for every **** player on the planet even few months ago.
Now they say: ah but we are talking about KD.
Yes, but you are not credible cause your past show enough about you

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[CelticFaninLBC]

Although there's a very slim chance of a KD for JB trade, let's say Stevens deals JB, Theis and picks for Durant. What are the subsequent moves?

The starting 5 is Rob, KD, Tatum, No Idea & Smart. Bench is Al, Grant and White. Seems they need to acquire a sg with the TPE, and they won't have much to trade after that, since they traded off FRP's in the KD deal.

[Feed Your Head]

Guys on this board that want to trade Jaylen for KD are the same guys would liked to trade him for every **** player on the planet even few months ago.
Now they say: ah but we are talking about KD.
Yes, but you are not credible cause your past show enough about you

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You seem to take this very personally.

[BK_2020]

Although there's a very slim chance of a KD for JB trade, let's says Stevens deal JB, Theis and picks for Durant. What are the subsequent moves?

The starting 5 is Rob, KD, Tatum, No Idea & Smart. Bench is Al, Grant and White. Seems they need to acquire a sg with the TPE, and they won't have much to trade after that, since they traded off FRP's in the KD deal.

There's still multiple TPEs and players like Fournier or Burks who might be available for nothing or come with picks attached.
In any case not dealing for KD because it won't let you trade for, I don't know, Huerter or something, is just not smart asset management.

[threrf23]

When we traded Al Jefferson for KG there were many who were upset because Al was up and coming and KG was past his prime at 31. It was a great trade as KG was MVP year 1 and won a title. However, we only got 1 1/2 years of great KG. JB is a lot better than Big Al and KD is already 34. I think KD looked diminished compared to the guy that pushed the Bucks to the limit the year before. He isn’t top 3 anymore.

If KD is great for 3 years it’s a no brainer but I think there is 50/50 chance his contract is terrible in 1 1/2 years. For that reason, in the words of Mark Cuban, I’m out.

KD is probably diminished (relatively speaking).

But we get him post injury, i.e. post 32 years old, the day these players turn ~32 is when all these players tend to hit a wall and run into injury problems. But if they make it thru they can often play for years after.

Yeah KG was a few years younger when we got him, but he was relatively likely to suffer a season ending / career altering injury the year or two after we got him. It looked like bad luck but was predictable in a sense. KD has already had that injury and has made it to 33 and if last season was any indication he is still one of the best in the game.

Actually, KD missed games with an MCL injury in January. I don't know.

Yeah, it's an issue. But like, it's also been pointed out that Jaylen could leave for nothing in free agency in two years. So I don't know. I do know that objectively, we are going to need to trade someone, we can't play like we did a few seasons ago and take two steps forward and then try and take another two steps forward with stepping back to make adjustments, cause that's how things fall apart. I feel like we have to seriously consider trading a guy like Jaylen, considering his trade value and the fact he plays the same position as Tatum and ideally a similar role. And we have to consider trading for a guy like KD, because he is ****ing KD.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Guys on this board that want to trade Jaylen for KD are the same guys would liked to trade him for every **** player on the planet even few months ago.
Now they say: ah but we are talking about KD.
Yes, but you are not credible cause your past show enough about you

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It's the annual Trade Jaylen thread. Let the guys who pushed JB for Wiseman and JB for Harden have some fun.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Keep in mind that KD hasn't won anything without a really good third option.