Ongoing Discussion Regarding Dejounte Murray to Hawks (Murray/Collins swap?)

[PhilBlackson]

While I'd still easily do it if I was ATL, I do wonder how effective Murray will be if he's put off ball as he'll have to be with Trae. I'm sure the Hawks would still get better because his scoring & perimeter defence will be welcomed but just not sure how high their ceiling is after. Nonetheless Collins wants out & I don't really see a better trade available for him.

[Tor_Raps]

I am so lost. Murray is a friggin beast and someone you want to keep in the Spurs position. There must be some issues behind the scenes for sure if it's gotten this far.

Have you watched GAMES or BOXSCORES?

And there are issues.

The dude isn't a modern head case as we know them, but is getting close.

Unfollowing the team randomly on social media, posting that no one in the team works as hard as him, doing the Westbrook pull-up and miss and ignoring his teammates over and over in big plays.

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

[Bornstellar]

Murray has become the most overrated player in the NBA, succeeding Anthony Davis.

Inefficient, ball-dominant guards who can't shoot from 3 or attack the rim to collapse the defense just aren't that valuable in today's league. He's not a dynamic player.

There's a reason the Spurs have been so mediocre with him as a high-usage player. Think of how DeRozan blossomed this year with a shooter next to him.

It would be a waste of Trae Young's talent for Atlanta to bring him in imo.

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch Murray or the Spurs at all. DJ is not a "high usage" player and has only been in charge for 1 season. TF are you even talking about

He had a 27.3 usage rate. That is high usage.

He's 4th in the league in touches per game, after Jokic, Harden and Doncic.

His inefficiency as a scorer doesn't warrant this level of ball-dominance. And as we know he's not efficient off the ball (poor 3-point shooter, not effective as a cutter).

And his #2 that he should be sharing these duties with is who? Keldon Johnson? Dude is the only player in history to ever average 21/9/8/2 over a full season yet somehow he is too ball dominant and it's his fault SA is mediocre. Lmao ok dude. His usage wasn't high enough so you had to go with touches per game. Lol. Let me know who on our roster you think should be getting more touches because apparently DJ is getting too much

[Chanel Bomber]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch Murray or the Spurs at all. DJ is not a "high usage" player and has only been in charge for 1 season. TF are you even talking about

He had a 27.3 usage rate. That is high usage.

He's 4th in the league in touches per game, after Jokic, Harden and Doncic.

His inefficiency as a scorer doesn't warrant this level of ball-dominance. And as we know he's not efficient off the ball (poor 3-point shooter, not effective as a cutter).

And his #2 that he should be sharing these duties with is who? Keldon Johnson? Dude is the only player in history to ever average 21/9/8/2 over a full season yet somehow he is too ball dominant and it's his fault SA is mediocre. Lmao ok dude. His usage wasn't high enough so you had to go with touches per game. Lol. Let me know who on our roster you think should be getting more touches because apparently DJ is getting too much

I'm not saying other players should or shouldn't cut into his usage, I'm saying that he's not significantly impactful as a high-usage player. And the fact that he's inept as an off-ball player makes him a tough player to fit into a line-up.

I think he's fairly comparable to Randle, except he plays a different position, with the acknowledgment that he was (obviously) better than Randle was this past season.

Both are inefficient as high-usage on-ball players, and not suited to be off-ball players. I think their best role is as a 6th man on a contender.

[DoctorX]

Have you watched GAMES or BOXSCORES?

And there are issues.

The dude isn't a modern head case as we know them, but is getting close.

Unfollowing the team randomly on social media, posting that no one in the team works as hard as him, doing the Westbrook pull-up and miss and ignoring his teammates over and over in big plays.

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

Agreed I have been saying that for a while that Duncan made Pop and not the other way around like a lot of haters say to discredit Duncan's legacy.

[Tor_Raps]

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

Agreed I have been saying that for a while that Duncan made Pop and not the other way around like a lot of haters say to discredit Duncan's legacy.

Pop himself has said the same thing many times. It's a pretty obvious statement with the NBA being a players league. The only people who don't understand that part are people, who like you said, want to discredit Duncan's legacy.

[CP War Hawks]

I think the Spurs view this time period in getting maximum value for Murray considering what happens when you try and trade a guy in his last year. I believe they're scared he will demand upwards of 30 per year once he hits FA, and they want to get ahead of this with as many 2023 1sts as possible.

It's simple for Atl, who else on the roster will extract the value to get someone like Murray. Hawks signed Collins to trade him later. Too many restrictions on trading a RFA which need changing, otherwise the Hawks would have moved him last offseason.

[KingFox]

I don't get why the Spurs are looking to trade Murray at all, he's a guy you should want to build around. The fact that it's for Collins makes it even more baffling.

He prevents from tanking. Spurs may have come to realize that, for as smart and as well run they are, they’re currently stuck on a treadmill with no end in sight.

They haven’t been in a position to draft a Duncan and they haven’t unearthed another Kawhi. They might be looking at how the Rockets and OKC just built themselves a core and thinking they might want to take a similar approach.

True and people forget they definitely tanked in order to get Duncan lol

[Slim Charlez]

I think the Spurs view this time period in getting maximum value for Murray considering what happens when you try and trade a guy in his last year. I believe they're scared he will demand upwards of 30 per year once he hits FA, and they want to get ahead of this with as many 2023 1sts as possible.

It's simple for Atl, who else on the roster will extract the value to get someone like Murray. Hawks signed Collins to trade him later. Too many restrictions on trading a RFA which need changing, otherwise the Hawks would have moved him last offseason.

Yeah that's what I see going on. Atlanta want to get as close to contending as they can now and the Spurs, rightfully so, don't want to max out a guy who's frankly probably not worth it.

I love him but and I wouldn't mind if he got traded if it was the right package, for whatever reason he's unfairly targeted by some section of the Spurs fan base over dumb **** like his IG but yeah he's probably leading you to the 9th seed every year if you're investing a large percentage of the cap on him and playing through him on offense. That being said he's improved immensely and I am personally pleasantly surprised he got to the level he did last season so he might get even better.

[Slim Charlez]

Have you watched GAMES or BOXSCORES?

And there are issues.

The dude isn't a modern head case as we know them, but is getting close.

Unfollowing the team randomly on social media, posting that no one in the team works as hard as him, doing the Westbrook pull-up and miss and ignoring his teammates over and over in big plays.

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

What an ignorant post. Murray is by all accounts, a beloved leader in the locker room and has a great relationship with Pop. If they're looking at a trade it's because somebody is paying a Jrue Holiday style price and because the Spurs are clearly in asset acquisition mode while DJ is approaching his prime. Also the Spurs aren't some autocracy in fact they're quite the opposite, Pop isn't out there making every single decision like if that was even possible in the NBA.

[ChaseDown]

Spurs fans are getting mad over stuff on Murray’s IG? Damn, it’s like they’re his family or something.

Oh well, at least they drafted 4 ball handlers the past 2 drafts. They’ll be okay.

[Bornstellar]

He had a 27.3 usage rate. That is high usage.

He's 4th in the league in touches per game, after Jokic, Harden and Doncic.

His inefficiency as a scorer doesn't warrant this level of ball-dominance. And as we know he's not efficient off the ball (poor 3-point shooter, not effective as a cutter).

And his #2 that he should be sharing these duties with is who? Keldon Johnson? Dude is the only player in history to ever average 21/9/8/2 over a full season yet somehow he is too ball dominant and it's his fault SA is mediocre. Lmao ok dude. His usage wasn't high enough so you had to go with touches per game. Lol. Let me know who on our roster you think should be getting more touches because apparently DJ is getting too much

I'm not saying other players should or shouldn't cut into his usage, I'm saying that he's not significantly impactful as a high-usage player. And the fact that he's inept as an off-ball player makes him a tough player to fit into a line-up.

I think he's fairly comparable to Randle, except he plays a different position, with the acknowledgment that he was (obviously) better than Randle was this past season.

Both are inefficient as high-usage on-ball players, and not suited to be off-ball players. I think their best role is as a 6th man on a contender.

Thanks for explaining your opinion a little more. I don't necessarily agree but you have some valid points.

[Chanel Bomber]

And his #2 that he should be sharing these duties with is who? Keldon Johnson? Dude is the only player in history to ever average 21/9/8/2 over a full season yet somehow he is too ball dominant and it's his fault SA is mediocre. Lmao ok dude. His usage wasn't high enough so you had to go with touches per game. Lol. Let me know who on our roster you think should be getting more touches because apparently DJ is getting too much

I'm not saying other players should or shouldn't cut into his usage, I'm saying that he's not significantly impactful as a high-usage player. And the fact that he's inept as an off-ball player makes him a tough player to fit into a line-up.

I think he's fairly comparable to Randle, except he plays a different position, with the acknowledgment that he was (obviously) better than Randle was this past season.

Both are inefficient as high-usage on-ball players, and not suited to be off-ball players. I think their best role is as a 6th man on a contender.

Thanks for explaining your opinion a little more. I don't necessarily agree but you have some valid points.

Cheers, it's ok to disagree.

Let's see how Murray looks next season.

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[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I'd ask for Okongwu, Gallinari, and multiple 1sts if I were San Antonio.

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This makes more sense, a straight rebuild move, cause it sure doesn’t make sense with Collins.

[Rafael122]

I'm just surprised that this is his market, 25 year old, under contract for 2 more years. He's not even his prime, and his trade value is the corpse of Gallinari and 3 picks. That's absolutely insane to me. If the picks are protected in any way, the spurs GM should be fired.

[G R E Y]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch Murray or the Spurs at all. DJ is not a "high usage" player and has only been in charge for 1 season. TF are you even talking about

He had a 27.3 usage rate. That is high usage.

He's 4th in the league in touches per game, after Jokic, Harden and Doncic.

His inefficiency as a scorer doesn't warrant this level of ball-dominance. And as we know he's not efficient off the ball (poor 3-point shooter, not effective as a cutter).

And his #2 that he should be sharing these duties with is who? Keldon Johnson? Dude is the only player in history to ever average 21/9/8/2 over a full season yet somehow he is too ball dominant and it's his fault SA is mediocre. Lmao ok dude. His usage wasn't high enough so you had to go with touches per game. Lol. Let me know who on our roster you think should be getting more touches because apparently DJ is getting too much

Actually Lonnie was somehow second in usage this past season Keldon was third. But your point stands.

The Klutch trifecta did pass to themselves more and look off other more open players at times. It started to stand out. Things got a bit better when we traded Derrick and Devin became a starter. Still by the end of the season it was DJ-Lonnie-Keldon in top three usage.

[G R E Y]

Have you watched GAMES or BOXSCORES?

And there are issues.

The dude isn't a modern head case as we know them, but is getting close.

Unfollowing the team randomly on social media, posting that no one in the team works as hard as him, doing the Westbrook pull-up and miss and ignoring his teammates over and over in big plays.

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

Just... stop. Every **** time, man. This whole energy and effort into wanting something to be true that people stoop to lie about it.

It also helps to know that what Phreak is referring to is DJ not responding well to Derrick starting for eight games when DJ struggled after returning from injury THREE YEARS AGO.

Meanwhile...

You The Greatest Coach Of All Time And I’m Thankful And Grateful For You Pop. I Love You So Much And You Deserve This And Can’t NOBODY Ever Take This Away From You!!!!

Spurs records post-Duncan was very good, lots of players past and present as well as FO execs and coaches have expressed how Pop helped them and Pop topped a list of players stating who they'd most want to play for. There's plenty of public info out there about it. Nope hurr durr every time.

Let's stay on topic, gents.

[NyKnicks1714]

Have you watched GAMES or BOXSCORES?

And there are issues.

The dude isn't a modern head case as we know them, but is getting close.

Unfollowing the team randomly on social media, posting that no one in the team works as hard as him, doing the Westbrook pull-up and miss and ignoring his teammates over and over in big plays.

Interesting…as we know these kind of players won’t last long under Pop

Nothing has really worked out for Pop since Duncan left. His style was only effective because Duncan allowed him to coach that way. Pop should probably retire before he gets exposed further and further lol.

The Spurs record post-Duncan is a lot better than it should be considering the lack of talent they've had.