Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[Spacely]

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

But it wouldnt be a straight up trade, we would be adding the trash called Duncan so the salaries can work. Then you have a lot more options.

Well nobody wants Duncan so that’s a negative value right there adding onto the herro trade

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Y’all are on some kind of drug if you think herro is getting traded for a “starter” 4.

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

Is it a valuing Herro thing or is it to not outbid yourself when your only trade “competition” is the lakers?

[greg4012]

Y’all are on some kind of drug if you think herro is getting traded for a “starter” 4.

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cause Oladipo is probably not going to want to go into training camp having to fight for minutes with Herro and Strus. He does make a great fit with team 2 though.

Dipo gonna have to fight for minutes no matter what.

I would hate to watch Oladipo lock Herro up and then Oladipo just go right by Herro on the other side of the court. J.Brown had issues with Oladipo on him, just imagine what Herro would look like.

Not even factoring in the fact that Dipo is the far more complete player on a team basis, match these 2 up in the gym in a straight up 1 on 1 setting and Herro is getting absolutely embarrassed. He’s going home with his confidence crushed

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Add Kyrie to this team and guys like Bamba, Barnes, OG are bringing more value to our team next year than Herro

[Spacely]

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

Is it a valuing Herro thing or is it to not outbid yourself when your only trade “competition” is the lakers?

So if the nets said no to just lowry and a pick do we just give up?

[Spacely]

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

Y’all are gonna have to give examples of the borderline all-star 4 that we are gonna get for Tyler herro AND Duncan Robinson.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Please elaborate

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

Duncan and Herro equal about 23 million in salary. Here goes the NBA salary chart on who could be possible targets. List doesn't look great in terms of the value. Herro making only 5.9 this year with his production is crazy good value. Most players doing what he's doing are making 20 mil plus.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

[3ammy3uck3ts]

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

Is it a valuing Herro thing or is it to not outbid yourself when your only trade “competition” is the lakers?

So if the nets said no to just lowry and a pick do we just give up?

No, we trade Herro

[greg4012]

Oladipo averaged 25 mpg in the playoffs after only playing in 8 games in the regular season.

There are a lot of moving parts to potentially account for

[greg4012]

Friendly reminder that we are entering peak smoke screen season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

Y’all are gonna have to give examples of the borderline all-star 4 that we are gonna get for Tyler herro AND Duncan Robinson.

You do realize them taking Duncan is doing us a favor right? He is not an asset by any stretch of the imagination.

So would you trade Herro for Kyrie? Now would
You trade Herro for Kyrie AND OG/Barnes/Collins/Bamba?

[Spacely]

I don’t know guys, team A looked more appealing that team B in my opinion even if Kyrie is a head case we still get to keep bam.

But KD is also KD though but we’d have to get quality vet mins and free agents to compliment the team.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we trade Herro in the Durant deal then Oladipo coming back is a slam dunk no brainer even for him knowing that he'll get to carve out a solid roll without the bloated depth chart.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Not if he goes to a team that promises him guaranteed minutes out of free agency

I could see teams throwing him a lil more money but guaranteeing him a larger role than what he had here is a stretch. That team would have to have full confidence that he'll shape up in better form next season.

For us its low risk high reward we know what role he'll play can't say that for most teams.

Teams could offer a path of least resistance at the two spot depending on how there depth chart looks like at the two. Right now opening camp looks like a slug fest if it's between Oladipo, Herro, and Strus and not even taking account Robinson still on the team and Martin coming back.

That makes sense but Dipo should be able to beat all of those guys out.
But don't sleep on Vincent especially if Herro gone. He played some good basketball starting at the 2 during the regular season even if the sample size is low. But I guess that depends if we can find another back up PG.

[Spacely]

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

Y’all are gonna have to give examples of the borderline all-star 4 that we are gonna get for Tyler herro AND Duncan Robinson.

You do realize them taking Duncan is doing us a favor right? He is not an asset by any stretch of the imagination.

So would you trade Herro for Kyrie? Now would
You trade Herro for Kyrie AND OG/Barnes/Collins/Bamba?

That’s the thing why would they take Duncan lol he’s a negative asset

1. We don’t need OG we have jimmy at SF
2. Barnes hell no
3. Collins isn’t needed
4. Bamba hell no

[MettaWorldPanda]

I could see teams throwing him a lil more money but guaranteeing him a larger role than what he had here is a stretch. That team would have to have full confidence that he'll shape up in better form next season.

For us its low risk high reward we know what role he'll play can't say that for most teams.

Teams could offer a path of least resistance at the two spot depending on how there depth chart looks like at the two. Right now opening camp looks like a slug fest if it's between Oladipo, Herro, and Strus and not even taking account Robinson still on the team and Martin coming back.

That makes sense but Dipo should be able to beat all of those guys out.
But don't sleep on Vincent especially if Herro gone. He played some good basketball starting at the 2 during the regular season even if the sample size is low. But I guess that depends if we can find another back up PG.

Vincent is a plug in option at the two but goes into the theory that we are stacked at that spot and need to make something happen to solve positions of need on this team. A Durant trade would open up a lot of doors for Oladipo and Martin to go into training camp with a lighter depth chart and an easier path at securing minutes.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

The Heat value maximizing their assets.

How could you possibly know that "there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up"? Add salary filler a la Duncan and the range of salaries we can match is nicely varied.

Duncan and Herro equal about 23 million in salary. Here goes the NBA salary chart on who could be possible targets. List doesn't look great in terms of the value. Herro making only 5.9 this year with his production is crazy good value. Most players doing what he's doing are making 20 mil plus.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

Forget a 4. Go get me Brogdon lol

Also with their 23 mil in salary we can receive up to 28mil but that doesn't really change the options much.

[dean456]

it’s not worth it and there is no player we could get that we could trade straight up. The Heat obviously value herro if they don’t even want to include him in the Kyrie deal.

Is it a valuing Herro thing or is it to not outbid yourself when your only trade “competition” is the lakers?

So if the nets said no to just lowry and a pick do we just give up?

Lowry + Pick
then
Lowry + Picks
then
Lowry + Yurt + Pick
then
Lowry + Yurt + Picks
then
Lowry + Dipo
then
Lowry + Dipo + Pick

If no deal from there then lose interest, see what other teams are offering and see if they get desperate.

Only if you know all other options for upgrade are unavailable do you then consider adding Herro imo.

[stepback_ftw]

You guys are arguing back and forth over Herro and Dipo like if they were crucial in any way lol. Herros youth and upside trumps Dipos defense and Iso game but the difference is negligible. Seth Curry would be a viable replacement for both.