Better Player Right Now: Stephen Curry or Jokic

Post #41 » by **Harry Garris** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm

The way Jokic played in the first round against the Warriors was really impressive. I doubt there's a single other player alive who could average 31, 13, and 6 on great efficiency against the Warriors' defense throwing the kitchen sink at him.

DroseReturnChi · Post #42 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:51 pm

Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

Swap teams and nuggets dont make playins.

Impuniti · Post #43 » by **Impuniti** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:59 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

Swap teams and nuggets dont make playins.

How's Mavs in 5 holding up again?

Admiral-Kizaru · Post #44 » by **Admiral-Kizaru** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

Impuniti wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

Swap teams and nuggets dont make playins.

How's Mavs in 5 holding up again?

Not once have I seen him respond whenever someone drops this ether on him.

RTG HD · Post #45 » by **RTG HD** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:40 am

ShootersShoot wrote:Ben wallace/billups won a chip in 04 as the best players on the pistons. Does that mean I would take either over KG who was then 27 years old but hasnt won anything? Not quite. Not comparing any of those players to each other but I'm just saying that it can be logical to take a player who "hasnt won anything" to another player who has won it all previously. If we swap jokic with steph on their respective teams, the warriors could still possibly contend. Steph is still a superstar and its very reasonable to choose him as well. Your points are definitely valid and logical.

I think there are limits of course when you doubt that Wallace or Billups is more likely to bring a championship in the next year than KG.

ShootersShoot wrote:Whenever I watch steph play, I am just in awe at how good he is.

Agreed, he is amazing in ways that the stat sheet does not even show.

ShootersShoot wrote:I also feel the same way when I watch Jokic play, dude is a generational level player in his own right.

I think he is great but but I might not go as far as you given how many great players the NBA has. I think it is fair to say that the NBA has more than 5 people who seem deserving of being called a top 5 player. Is Embiid top 5, seems like he should be. Giannis, he must be right? Curry, KD, LeBron, Booker, Trae Young, Luka Dončić, Ja Morant? Someone out there would argue any one of them is top 5 but they can''t all be. Personally I focus on winning a championship because that is the end goal. Jokic will absolutely be competing for that goal along with every other player I mentioned. I believe Curry even at his age gives me the highest odds of a championship. If Jokic starts winning championships, as John Maynard Keynes said; "When the data changes, I change my mind."

Guy · Post #46 » by **Guy** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 am

Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

Warriors with Jokic would be Warriors in 4 lol.

iLLmatic860 · Post #47 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:59 am

i'll take the player that can lead me to a championship over the player who puts up cute numbers any day

LakersLegacy · Post #48 » by **LakersLegacy** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:15 am

Poole
Klay
Wiggins
Draymond
Joker

vs

?
Curry
?
?
?

Pick the best fits from Jokers roster and play 7 games and see who wins

LakersLegacy · Post #49 » by **LakersLegacy** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:16 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:i'll take the player that can lead me to a championship over the player who puts up cute numbers any day

Both should be capable of that but Joker hasn’t proven it yet. There’s a lot of players that play gimmick ball for stats. I don’t think Joker is one. I think he is very Hakeem

MagicFan12345 · Post #50 » by **MagicFan12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:19 am

Curry=4 championships
Jokic=0 championships

And the answer is Curry so that is not even a question

iLLmatic860 · Post #51 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:35 am

LakersLegacy wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:i'll take the player that can lead me to a championship over the player who puts up cute numbers any day

Both should be capable of that but Joker hasn’t proven it yet. There’s a lot of players that play gimmick ball for stats. I don’t think Joker is one. I think he is very Hakeem

I'm not implying joker plays gimmick ball. I just dont think his playstyle is going to win a chip as the number one option. I wouldnt be mad if he proved me wrong tho

Big J · Post #52 » by **Big J** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:39 am

LakersLegacy wrote:Poole
Klay
Wiggins
Draymond
Joker

vs

?
Curry
?
?
?

Pick the best fits from Jokers roster and play 7 games and see who wins

Pool, Klay, Wiggins, Draymond. None of those guys are the same without Curry's gravity.

WarriorGM · Post #53 » by **WarriorGM** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:08 am

I remember in 2017 right after LeBron eeked out that victory against the Warriors. People were proclaiming him the best player in the world.

Jump to now and people still insisting Jokic is the guy. Did Jokic dominate anything close to the way Steph did in 2016? Didn't Steph beat Jokic's Nuggets on the way to a title without any series going to 7 games?

If Jokic is the guy today. Curry was the guy in 2017.

NBA4Lyfe · Post #54 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:09 am

curry is on a team with by far the highest payroll in the nba

jokic is the better player and peaker higher

Big J · Post #55 » by **Big J** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:16 am

If we're talking regular season it's Jokic. Playoffs it's Curry.

NBA4Lyfe · Post #56 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:24 am

Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

and i would argue the nuggets dont even make the playoffs with curry instead of joker

DonaldSanders · Post #57 » by **DonaldSanders** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:29 am

MagicFan12345 wrote:Curry=4 championships
Jokic=0 championships

And the answer is Curry so that is not even a question

That's where I'm at on questions like this, though I'm putting Jokic pretty damn close and have a bit more of a recency bias to current rankings. You have to take the guy who is proven capable of winning and doing that recently until the other guy does it (or someone who came damn close and was clutch the whole way, e.g. a Butler vs. the Lakers), then we can actually compare. For me it's a top 2 of Giannis and Curry, maybe that is unfair to Jokic but I think we'll eventually see him battle to the Finals.

Keep in mind I did not have Curry this high until we won this last Finals (it had been a few years), I thought of him as top 5 with Giannis #1.

WarriorGM · Post #58 » by **WarriorGM** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 am

NBA4Lyfe wrote:
Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

and i would argue the nuggets dont even make the playoffs with curry instead of joker

You can argue it but you'd be arguing against a guy who literally took a last placed team to the best improved record of such a team who was not joined by another star.

NBA4Lyfe · Post #59 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:40 am

WarriorGM wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:
Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

and i would argue the nuggets dont even make the playoffs with curry instead of joker

You can argue it but you'd be arguing against a guy who literally took a last placed team to the best improved record of such a team who was not joined by another star.

highest payroll in the nba, curry didnt do it alone

RTG HD · Post #60 » by **RTG HD** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am

WarriorGM wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:
Big J wrote:Swap teams and Warriors don't win a title with Jokic instead of Curry. End of story.

and i would argue the nuggets dont even make the playoffs with curry instead of joker

You can argue it but you'd be arguing against a guy who literally took a last placed team to the best improved record of such a team who was not joined by another star.

I get why people would be suspicious of a guy with the word warriors in his name in this thread but it is true that the Warriors really did suffer as a franchise for a long time before Curry. A lot of credit to Curry for his work ethic and attitude that helped his entire team be better.