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Seems like the Jays are about to sign Sergio Romo.

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The answer to our bullpen woes...

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I'm curious who you all see us trading to get either pitching or relief pitching help. For some reason I don't see this front office trading Jansen, nor our other catching prospects.

WE used alot of our depth in the matt chapman deal, are we going to give up Groshan even though he's logically the guy who would likely replace Chapman in a year.

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I’m not trading anything substantial for BP help. Jansen or Kirk (preferably Jansen) and Groshans or Martinez for a #1 type starter or an elite CF. Perhaps adding a pitching prospect

[Parataxis]

I'm curious who you all see us trading to get either pitching or relief pitching help. For some reason I don't see this front office trading Jansen, nor our other catching prospects.

WE used alot of our depth in the matt chapman deal, are we going to give up Groshan even though he's logically the guy who would likely replace Chapman in a year.

It's gotta be Danno. We don't need, we can't even effectively use, three quality catchers. We have catching as a position of strength, and we need pitching. There's gotta be a win-win trade there.

[Cyrus]

I see us trading a catcher just not this year. So again if we are looking for decent starting pitcher, what does that leave us? Groshan Otto Lopez, Leo Jimenez

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None of the above prospects are going to get us a decent starting pitcher this year. Groshans has promise, but he's still a 22 year old corner infielder who is currently hitting for zero power whatsoever. Otto Lopez isn't a prospect of any significance. Jimenez isn't hitting at all.

People are really overestimating just what we can get at the deadline, without trading one of the couple prospects we have of genuine value, namely Orelvis or Tiedemann, neither of whom we should be trading for short-term help in a year where we're 12+ games back of the division lead.

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None of the above prospects are going to get us a decent starting pitcher this year. Groshans has promise, but he's still a 22 year old corner infielder who is currently hitting for zero power whatsoever. Otto Lopez isn't a prospect of any significance. Jimenez isn't hitting at all.

People are really overestimating just what we can get at the deadline, without trading one of the couple prospects we have of genuine value, namely Orelvis or Tiedemann, neither of whom we should be trading for short-term help in a year where we're 12+ games back of the division lead.

I agree. And this lousy bullpen can be improved without giving up even a Groshans. The bar is really low for a low-leverage improvement.

[Parataxis]

538 just did a profile on Kirk.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-toronto-blue-jays-stars-havent-delivered-but-an-unsung-hero-is-picking-up-the-slack/

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MLB season’s action-packed June: 10 things we learned, from trade deadline rumblings to disappearing sac bunts - The Athletic

2. The most important buyer at the deadline will be … the Blue Jays

We had so many teams nominated in this category, we could have named pretty much any aspiring contender. But let’s focus on three of them.

BLUE JAYS: It’s easy to overlook this team because it finds itself farther out of first place (12 1/2 games) than the Tigers. But that’s more about the Yankees than the Blue Jays. Through their first 75 games, the Blue Jays had a better record (42-33) than the Cardinals, Twins or Rays. They roll out one of the best offenses in baseball. They’re actively looking to balance their lineup with an Andrew Benintendi-type left-handed bat. And they’re positioned to be one of the most aggressive shoppers in both the starters’ and relievers’ aisles of the deadline superstore.

“Some teams at the deadline are motivated by just trying to make that last wild-card spot,” one exec said. “When the Blue Jays think about making a trade, they’re motivated by what they can do to move the World Series odds.”

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Buyers? Sellers? Both? Checking the MLB trade deadline status for all 30 teams - The Athletic

Toronto Blue Jays: Buyer

The Blue Jays need pitching help, both starters and relievers. Particularly, the Blue Jays need some relievers who can — and this is the technical term — throw gas. They really need some more swing-and-miss coming out of their bullpen, so if a reliever can hit the high 90s and has another nasty secondary pitch, he’ll be of interest. As for starters, the Blue Jays have the top of their rotation in order with Alek Manoah and Kevin Gausman, but they need some depth at the back end to cover for Hyun Jin Ryu’s absence and insurance if Yusei Kikuchi continues to struggle. They might also lean toward acquiring a pitcher with control over a rental, since they need to cover for Ryu next season as well. — Kaitlyn McGrath

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With Blue Jays pitching a mess, Atkins must find better arms quickly - Sportsnet.ca

I’ll just come out and say it: I don’t know what the hell is taking Ross Atkins so long in addressing his team's pitching issues -- and you get the sense that there’s a lot of that sentiment in the Toronto Blue Jays clubhouse, too.

That’s dangerous, because we’re at a point with this team where it’s going to be painfully easy to read into every gesture or statement. It’s not even the all-star break and the Blue Jays have held two players-only meetings and it sure seems as if we’ve reached the 'something doesn’t feel' right; stage, which usually precedes the 'somebody needs to pay' stage. I mean, it sure looked to me like Bo Bichette wanted no part of the home run jacket Sunday …

Now, the usual caveats need to be employed here: your minor-league prospects or even players on your major-league roster are only as valuable as they are seen by your potential trade partner. It matters naught where they’re ranked by somebody on some website. It also takes two to trade and with expanded playoffs … well, ask the Orioles if they’re ready to back up the truck to the degree they were two weeks ago. Or, for that matter, the Seattle Mariners. Then, too, there’s the fact that the draft has been moved back to the all-star break from June … and we all know how much band-width the draft occupies.

Meanwhile, Atkins has a ton of pitching money sitting on the IL in Hyun-Jin Ryu and Yusei Kikuchi. Can he still bring on money in a deal? Does he need to send some out? These are all complicating factors.

It almost makes you think that the Blue Jays were waiting for Nate Pearson to save them, which begs the question: Why? Based on what track record, exactly?

So far, Atkins’ answer has been to bring in Sergio Romo off the waiver wire and buy Anthony Banda. Hence, the Clueless in Seattle series: Banda opening a game, Lawrence entering and getting shelled. Max Castillo logging 7 1/3 innings with two days of rest in-between. I mean, what the hell? Yes, the Blue Jays were 2-for-20 with runners in scoring position on Friday. Yes, Lourdes Gurriel, Jr., shot-putted a ball over the fence for a Mariners home run and, yes, Vladdy’s glove exploded for the second time this year but make no mistake: it’s the thinness of the pitching that provides the backdrop to everything.

Look: Atkins has done nice work at the deadline. Taijuan Walker. Robbie Ray and -- I’ll die on this hill, folks -- Berrios. Maybe he can pull off a Luis Castillo or (dream scenario, here, folks) Pablo Lopez deal. Surely, he can find some relievers who can throw upper 90s because it seems as if they’ve fallen out of the trees for everybody else. He might want to start thinking about whether it’s time to put together a wider deal focused on one of his right-hand hitting corner outfielders, especially since the organization has failed to lock up Hernandez.

Because the sense here is it’s time to re-consider some of the assumptions made about the 2022 Blue Jays. Long past time.

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With Blue Jays pitching a mess, Atkins must find better arms quickly - Sportsnet.ca

I’ll just come out and say it: I don’t know what the hell is taking Ross Atkins so long in addressing his team's pitching issues -- and you get the sense that there’s a lot of that sentiment in the Toronto Blue Jays clubhouse, too.

That’s dangerous, because we’re at a point with this team where it’s going to be painfully easy to read into every gesture or statement. It’s not even the all-star break and the Blue Jays have held two players-only meetings and it sure seems as if we’ve reached the 'something doesn’t feel' right; stage, which usually precedes the 'somebody needs to pay' stage. I mean, it sure looked to me like Bo Bichette wanted no part of the home run jacket Sunday …

Now, the usual caveats need to be employed here: your minor-league prospects or even players on your major-league roster are only as valuable as they are seen by your potential trade partner. It matters naught where they’re ranked by somebody on some website. It also takes two to trade and with expanded playoffs … well, ask the Orioles if they’re ready to back up the truck to the degree they were two weeks ago. Or, for that matter, the Seattle Mariners. Then, too, there’s the fact that the draft has been moved back to the all-star break from June … and we all know how much band-width the draft occupies.

Meanwhile, Atkins has a ton of pitching money sitting on the IL in Hyun-Jin Ryu and Yusei Kikuchi. Can he still bring on money in a deal? Does he need to send some out? These are all complicating factors.

It almost makes you think that the Blue Jays were waiting for Nate Pearson to save them, which begs the question: Why? Based on what track record, exactly?

So far, Atkins’ answer has been to bring in Sergio Romo off the waiver wire and buy Anthony Banda. Hence, the Clueless in Seattle series: Banda opening a game, Lawrence entering and getting shelled. Max Castillo logging 7 1/3 innings with two days of rest in-between. I mean, what the hell? Yes, the Blue Jays were 2-for-20 with runners in scoring position on Friday. Yes, Lourdes Gurriel, Jr., shot-putted a ball over the fence for a Mariners home run and, yes, Vladdy’s glove exploded for the second time this year but make no mistake: it’s the thinness of the pitching that provides the backdrop to everything.

Look: Atkins has done nice work at the deadline. Taijuan Walker. Robbie Ray and -- I’ll die on this hill, folks -- Berrios. Maybe he can pull off a Luis Castillo or (dream scenario, here, folks) Pablo Lopez deal. Surely, he can find some relievers who can throw upper 90s because it seems as if they’ve fallen out of the trees for everybody else. He might want to start thinking about whether it’s time to put together a wider deal focused on one of his right-hand hitting corner outfielders, especially since the organization has failed to lock up Hernandez.

Because the sense here is it’s time to re-consider some of the assumptions made about the 2022 Blue Jays. Long past time.

I'm shocked someone said it.

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