Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[Flash4thewin]

If he wants to sign with Philly for 3/30 so be it. 3 for 27 is already more than I would personally want to give to a 37 year old D and occasional 3 guy. Im sure him walking will piss of the wing of this fanbase that looks for anything to blame the FO but we cant get crazy in negotiations here.

So 1 mil more a year is crazy negotiations? Just pay the man and lets deal with other holes in our roster. This is not someone asking 30 mil a year, just 1 million more. We saw his true value in the playoffs, we would be foolish to lose him for just 1 million more per year. This is why we have the perception of being cheap, right or wrong this is why people bring that up.

We literally can't go higher and still afford ourselves an opportunity to "deal with other holes in our roster". The only way to go higher is to hard cap ourselves. Bye Dipo. Bye Caleb. Bye anyone that is not a trade bringing in same or less salary.

That's a Pat Riley problem not a PJ problem. Pat signed Lowry and Duncan to those contracts, he needs to get us out of them. Also remember we will be signing UD for 3 mil this year, so

Just guarantee PJ that he will be signed for the Vet min after this contract for the next 4 years, that way UD has another retirement buddy on the team, problem solved.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So 1 mil more a year is crazy negotiations? Just pay the man and lets deal with other holes in our roster. This is not someone asking 30 mil a year, just 1 million more. We saw his true value in the playoffs, we would be foolish to lose him for just 1 million more per year. This is why we have the perception of being cheap, right or wrong this is why people bring that up.

Math isnt my strong suit either but the figures I posted were 30 and 27 so where are you getting this 1 million number from? This is the wing of the fanbase im talking about, those that are bitter about something that happened 6 years ago. We cant simply just pay everybody. IF, and ill say that again, IF philly is able to create the space to offer Tucker a 3 year deal worth 30 million, we would have to use the MLE to exceed that offer, which would hard cap the team and essentially eliminate the possibility of any other impact signing. There are serious implications here its not as simple as JuSt PaY THe mAn.

3/27 and 3/30 over 3 years is a 1M difference per year. Factor in no tax in Florida and it’s even less

[MettaWorldPanda]

So 1 mil more a year is crazy negotiations? Just pay the man and lets deal with other holes in our roster. This is not someone asking 30 mil a year, just 1 million more. We saw his true value in the playoffs, we would be foolish to lose him for just 1 million more per year. This is why we have the perception of being cheap, right or wrong this is why people bring that up.

Math isnt my strong suit either but the figures I posted were 30 and 27 so where are you getting this 1 million number from? This is the wing of the fanbase im talking about, those that are bitter about something that happened 6 years ago. We cant simply just pay everybody. IF, and ill say that again, IF philly is able to create the space to offer Tucker a 3 year deal worth 30 million, we would have to use the MLE to exceed that offer, which would hard cap the team and essentially eliminate the possibility of any other impact signing. There are serious implications here its not as simple as JuSt PaY THe mAn.

This is correct. It’s not as simple as pay pay pay. We are bound to the early bird rights to Tucker. We had no idea someone was going to come out and be this aggressive for the aging Tucker. He was only able to get a 1 year deal in the open market for 7.5 last year. We rehabilitated his value. Now he’s going to cash in.

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[greg4012]

Murray may be an awkward fit but the dude is damn good all around. He rebounds at an elite level for a guard. He’s an elite passer. Elite defender. Very solid scorer. He did shoot 35% on catch and shoot 3s so not great but not terrible too. If Jimmy cares about shooting 3s next season it could work. I think we need high volume shooters next to them though. Strus and Barnes or something. Hell even Bamba. Just tell whoever the 4 is they have the green light.

I'll def get myself excited about it if it happens, but all I can think about is being in a playoff setting with Murray, Butler and Bam on the court together and the opposition going under every single screen and sinking deeper and deeper into the paint and us finding ZERO space to even move around inside the 3 point line (much less get good shots off).

Even if Jimmy is hitting occasional 3s, he's still not spacing the floor in earnest. The same can be said for Murray.

We have to hope those guys continue to work on their shots and we need 2 elite shooters next to them at the 2 and 4. We can make it work but we have to be smart about it

We don't have to. We can find pieces that actually fit.

I like Murray. He's good. It's tough for me to buy in fully right now, because the fit is inherently flawed. 3 starters that last season averaged a total of 6 3PA per game at a 29% rate. It's a suspect approach IMO.

If we're unloading our stock of assets, we need to add a volume scorer that is also a volume 3 point shooter. Unloading our stock of assets for a player that isn't that feels like a mistake in isolation. It would need to be one of a number of moves to ensure we're keeping reliable shooting in the rotation all around that core.

[Vertical Limit]

I hope Heat fans are prepared for striking out in the offseason. I could see riley doing everything he can to secure a third star.. but i could also see our roster in october to be the same except plus Jovic, and minus Dipo and Tucker

[Flash4thewin]

So 1 mil more a year is crazy negotiations? Just pay the man and lets deal with other holes in our roster. This is not someone asking 30 mil a year, just 1 million more. We saw his true value in the playoffs, we would be foolish to lose him for just 1 million more per year. This is why we have the perception of being cheap, right or wrong this is why people bring that up.

Math isnt my strong suit either but the figures I posted were 30 and 27 so where are you getting this 1 million number from? This is the wing of the fanbase im talking about, those that are bitter about something that happened 6 years ago. We cant simply just pay everybody. IF, and ill say that again, IF philly is able to create the space to offer Tucker a 3 year deal worth 30 million, we would have to use the MLE to exceed that offer, which would hard cap the team and essentially eliminate the possibility of any other impact signing. There are serious implications here its not as simple as JuSt PaY THe mAn.

The difference between 3/30 and 3/27 is one million a year. Now if he gets something like 40 mil, that's too much.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still a good chance Tucker stays if we can make a splashy move.

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So 1 mil more a year is crazy negotiations? Just pay the man and lets deal with other holes in our roster. This is not someone asking 30 mil a year, just 1 million more. We saw his true value in the playoffs, we would be foolish to lose him for just 1 million more per year. This is why we have the perception of being cheap, right or wrong this is why people bring that up.

Math isnt my strong suit either but the figures I posted were 30 and 27 so where are you getting this 1 million number from? This is the wing of the fanbase im talking about, those that are bitter about something that happened 6 years ago. We cant simply just pay everybody. IF, and ill say that again, IF philly is able to create the space to offer Tucker a 3 year deal worth 30 million, we would have to use the MLE to exceed that offer, which would hard cap the team and essentially eliminate the possibility of any other impact signing. There are serious implications here its not as simple as JuSt PaY THe mAn.

The difference between 3/30 and 3/27 is one million a year. Now if he gets something like 40 mil, that's too much.

You also aren't account for guaranteed money. It's entirely possible that Miami won't make the money in the final year of a Tucker contract guaranteed whereas Philly might. Ultimately we don't know, probably will have a better idea tomorrow afternoon once the window opens.

[greg4012]

It's just wild to me that most of the reporting on Philly's "offer" for Tucker isn't even touching on the facts that (1) Philly making any sort of offer to Tucker at this juncture is tampering and (2) Philly is literally unable to make such an offer without first executing significant cap cutting moves.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yup looks like a good fit to me

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Yup looks like a good fit to me

Can you elaborate? Looks like a good player to me. Fit would take a lot of concerted effort to make work from my vantage point.

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[eddieheatfan]

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its over move on!

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its over move on!

I shared it because people kept thinking it was only the Lakers that were interested because Woj phrased it that way. Shams was the one that actually knew ultimately what was occurring. Also, until Kyrie signs an extensions, it still wouldn't shock me to see him get traded down the line.

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Did Pat do it again???? This is awesome for real!!

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[Rapaz]

Would we have any interest in Pasllim Luap?