2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[falcolombardi]

Random thought: Are 4 of the best 10 teams since 2010 the 16 Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, and Spurs? I think there's a strong case for it and it'd be pretty crazy if 4 teams from 1 year would be in the top from the last twelve.

For reference all those 4 made sansterre top 30 teams ever (look up his project in the projects thread) and only 72 with lakers and bucks even has two in the top 30

Once you remember thunder and cavs played 60+ ball when fully healthy it gets insane

You have two 70 win pace teams and the two teams that beat them

[Gooner]

It's just funny how the media pushes stars to go play with LeBron, it's embarrassing. They really wanted to influence Irving to take 6 million deal just to play with aging LeBron on a team that sucked last year. Kyrie clearly used the Lakers as a leverage to try to get a long term max deal. 6 million? Lol.

[Jaivl]

Random thought: Are 4 of the best 10 teams since 2010 the 16 Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, and Spurs? I think there's a strong case for it and it'd be pretty crazy if 4 teams from 1 year would be in the top from the last twelve.

Don't think the Spurs are, but the other 3 absolutely.

[Dr Positivity]

Random thought: Are 4 of the best 10 teams since 2010 the 16 Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, and Spurs? I think there's a strong case for it and it'd be pretty crazy if 4 teams from 1 year would be in the top from the last twelve.

That's a no from me. Not a fan of the Thunder's supporting cast even before getting to Russ/KD combo flaws. The Spurs had a weirdly exceptional regular season but not being able to beat a team who's main adjustment is playing Kanter at PF is sad. I would rate the 2012 Spurs ahead of them let alone the 2013.

[TheGOATRises007]

Random thought: Are 4 of the best 10 teams since 2010 the 16 Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, and Spurs? I think there's a strong case for it and it'd be pretty crazy if 4 teams from 1 year would be in the top from the last twelve.

For reference all those 4 made sansterre top 30 teams ever (look up his project in the projects thread) and only 72 with lakers and bucks even has two in the top 30

Once you remember thunder and cavs played 60+ ball when fully healthy it gets insane

You have two 70 win pace teams and the two teams that beat them

Best teams since 2010(discounting 2010)

2011 Mavs
2012 Heat
2013 Heat
2013 Spurs
2014 Spurs
2015 Warriors
2016 Warriors
2016 Cavs
2016 Thunder
2016 Spurs
2017 Warriors
2017 Cavs
2018 Warriors
2018 Rockets
2019 Raptors
2020 Lakers
2021 Bucks
2021 Nets
2022 Warriors

If I did a top 10:

1. 2017 Warriors
2. 2018 Warriors
3. 2017 Cavs
4. 2020 Lakers
5. 2014 Spurs

And it gets tricky to me after the top 5. I'd put the RS version of the 2013 Heat in there, but they weren't as good in the playoffs. I honestly think the 22 Warriors are better than any other Warrior team sans KD, but their RS wasn't good(though I think they coasted and injuries riddled them).

6. 2013 Heat
7. 2016 Cavs
8. 2018 Rockets
9. 2022 Warriors
10. 2015 Warriors

Feels maybe insane putting the Rockets that low when they took the 2018 Warriors to 7, but the series was more lopsided than a 7 game series indicates. Though I might be severely underrating them. I'm just not confident in them beating any team I put above them.

The Raptors in 2019 were really good too. Hard to leave out.

The Nets in 2021 would probably make the top 5, but they were never healthy for a full playoff run or an extended period.

[Lou Fan]

Random thought: Are 4 of the best 10 teams since 2010 the 16 Warriors, Cavs, Thunder, and Spurs? I think there's a strong case for it and it'd be pretty crazy if 4 teams from 1 year would be in the top from the last twelve.

For reference all those 4 made sansterre top 30 teams ever (look up his project in the projects thread) and only 72 with lakers and bucks even has two in the top 30

Once you remember thunder and cavs played 60+ ball when fully healthy it gets insane

You have two 70 win pace teams and the two teams that beat them

Best teams since 2010(discounting 2010)

2011 Mavs
2012 Heat
2013 Heat
2013 Spurs
2014 Spurs
2015 Warriors
2016 Warriors
2016 Cavs
2016 Thunder
2016 Spurs
2017 Warriors
2017 Cavs
2018 Warriors
2018 Rockets
2019 Raptors
2020 Lakers
2021 Bucks
2021 Nets
2022 Warriors

If I did a top 10:

1. 2017 Warriors
2. 2018 Warriors
3. 2017 Cavs
4. 2020 Lakers
5. 2014 Spurs

And it gets tricky to me after the top 5. I'd put the RS version of the 2013 Heat in there, but they weren't as good in the playoffs. I honestly think the 22 Warriors are better than any other Warrior team sans KD, but their RS wasn't good(though I think they coasted and injuries riddled them).

6. 2013 Heat
7. 2016 Cavs
8. 2018 Rockets
9. 2022 Warriors
10. 2015 Warriors

Feels maybe insane putting the Rockets that low when they took the 2018 Warriors to 7, but the series was more lopsided than a 7 game series indicates. Though I might be severely underrating them. I'm just not confident in them beating any team I put above them.

The Raptors in 2019 were really good too. Hard to leave out.

The Nets in 2021 would probably make the top 5, but they were never healthy for a full playoff run or an extended period.

That's a pretty good list and though there's some changes I'd make I don't think I could fit all 4 on there but maybe top 15. Though I have to say I think 16 Warriors definitely should be here. I'd have healthy 16 Warriors 3rd here and even the battered version comfortably top 10.

You really think the Nets were that good? I think there's way too many question marks there to have them over teams as great as the 16 Cavs and 14 Spurs. I honestly don't know if they definitely beat the Bucks even if they were healthy. Sure Harden and Kyrie missed 3 games each but KD also played out of his mind and the Bucks had a really bad shooting series. With Harden's history of playoff struggles and Kyrie's impact being somewhat limited by redundancy with KD and Harden I'm not all that confident coronating the Nets in 2021 let alone a top 5 team since 2010.

[MartinToVaught]

It's just funny how the media pushes stars to go play with LeBron, it's embarrassing. They really wanted to influence Irving to take 6 million deal just to play with aging LeBron on a team that sucked last year. Kyrie clearly used the Lakers as a leverage to try to get a long term max deal. 6 million? Lol.

It's not LeBron, it's the Lakers. The media has tried to be the assistant GMs of the Lakers for decades now.

[MartinToVaught]

Read on Twitter

No freaking way the Knicks' front office went to a playoff game for Jalen Brunson. Come on now.

I thought it was cringe even as a Clippers fan when Lawrence Frank did this for Kawhi, but at least he was begging for a superstar, not a good role player.

[Lou Fan]

Man RIP Dallas. Seems like they're gonna have a hard time getting Luka the help he needs. Wonder if Gobert is on the table still I think that makes a ton of sense.

[RCM88x]

Unless Dallas offers like $40M less than NYK I can't imagine why Brunson would want to leave? Extremely high chance that whatever contract he signs with NYK will be his last one of any significance.

[Texas Chuck]

Unless Dallas offers like $40M less than NYK I can't imagine why Brunson would want to leave? Extremely high chance that whatever contract he signs with NYK will be his last one of any significance.

Why? He won't be 30 yet when that contract expires. Maybe not even 29 if he gets a PO out of this. No reason to think he won't still be a very viable player in 4 years.

[Dr Positivity]

I'd just overpay Brunson if that's what it takes from Dallas end

[RCM88x]

Unless Dallas offers like $40M less than NYK I can't imagine why Brunson would want to leave? Extremely high chance that whatever contract he signs with NYK will be his last one of any significance.

Why? He won't be 30 yet when that contract expires. Maybe not even 29 if he gets a PO out of this. No reason to think he won't still be a very viable player in 4 years.

Four years as "the guy" for the Knicks will do him in, I just cannot trust them.

[falcolombardi]

Dallas should go for gobert if it is remotely available

Cannot think of a better realistically available teammate for luka all thinghs considered

[jalengreen]

jeez this is an uninteresting offseason huh? so much attention for jalen brunson. a solid player no doubt but he isn't turning around the knicks. kyrie opting in really dried things up

[ivorytower]

The Knicks going to all this trouble to overpay Brunson is hilarious.

[HeartBreakKid]

Unless Dallas offers like $40M less than NYK I can't imagine why Brunson would want to leave? Extremely high chance that whatever contract he signs with NYK will be his last one of any significance.

Brunson isn't old and while the Mavericks are better than the Knicks they're not contenders. In most of these scenarios the player would leave the team. Money is easily the largest reason why players change teams, it's only max guys that prioritize other stuff because their money is well, maxed out.

[Lou Fan]

This trade makes no sense to me for Denver. Why would they do this are they cost cutting and are just going to wave them? Monte's on a good contract and Barton's on an expiring they're not gonna find better deals out on the market.

[Peregrine01]

This trade makes no sense to me for Denver. Why would they do this are they cost cutting and are just going to wave them? Monte's on a good contract and Barton's on an expiring they're not gonna find better deals out on the market.

Denver seems to think that Bones is the future back-up for Murray. And they desperately need perimeter defense.

[Colbinii]

This trade makes no sense to me for Denver. Why would they do this are they cost cutting and are just going to wave them? Monte's on a good contract and Barton's on an expiring they're not gonna find better deals out on the market.

Have you not seen Denvers other deal? Green and a future 1st for cap space and a current 1st.

KCP is a better fit than Barton but at the end of the day Denver has a cheap owner.