Predict Ivey rookies stats

[Kalamazoo317]

That speaks to the point I've been making, that Cade doesn't need a particular type of scorer in the other guard spot. It doesn't have to be a dead eye spot up shooter who sits at the 3 point line and waits for Cade to drive, get surrounded, then kick it back out. Like you said, if defenses are collapsing to Cade on one side he just kicks it to Ivey on the other side, and Ivey then carves up a scrambling defense. Cade just needs another guard who can score. Defenses start respecting Ivey and that gives Cade better opportunities to score. Defenses respecting Cade gives Ivey better opportunities to score.

Isn't that scrambling defense already going to be filling the lane? I guess I haven't seen many slash, kick, and re-slash offenses, but maybe it's possible?

Go watch the Bulls with Jordan, Pippen and Grant

I'm not sure what worked 30 years ago is going to be super applicable now.

[Pharaoh]

His stats are irreverent to me, same way everyone's numbers are irreverent to me.

It's HOW he gets his numbers and how we function as a unit that's more important

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[Rip32]

12 ppg
2 ast
2 reb
1 stl

13 ppg
2 ast
2 reb
1 stl
2 turnovers

[Manocad]

Isn't that scrambling defense already going to be filling the lane? I guess I haven't seen many slash, kick, and re-slash offenses, but maybe it's possible?

Go watch the Bulls with Jordan, Pippen and Grant

I'm not sure what worked 30 years ago is going to be super applicable now.

That’s ok; I am. Defenses were a lot tougher then.

[Spider156]

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The problem right now we have is Cade doesn’t have anyone to pass it out to to get us a bucket this year. Ivey is not that player yet,

I don't know man. If Cade gets 2 feet in the paint, draws help, and kicks it out to Ivey then how does a scrambling recovering defense even begin to stay in front of him?

Yeah I think there is definitely more to being an off ball outlet than catch and shoot ability. As a rookie, Ivey attacking closeouts or collapsing/shifting defenses on the second side has a chance to be a really elite play finisher. His combination of burst (laterally and vertically), quickness, ball skills and finishing package is extremely rare, even by NBA standards

I disagree that Ivey can finish inside like he did in college. Not yet at least. What I can see happening is teams still doubling Cade and Ivey is played far so he can have an open 3 and take it. Teams will dare him to take it and if he’s shooting under 30%? He’s gonna have to take advantage of Duren and Bagley because the next move for him is to dribble it inside and look for the finish or the lob. If not then I’m not sure if he’s able to finish around the rim against NBA’s defense. Now my point wasn’t against Ivey, it was against Bagley Stewart Duren, none of them can shoot either. What does that mean? The paint is clogged. So how can Ivey go inside for the finish? It’s a troubling issue that really needs to be answered otherwise we’re gonna have to depend on internal improvement for shooting.

[SamFlow]

As of this moment... 12.5 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 asp, 1 spg, 3 to,

[reanimator]

I don't know man. If Cade gets 2 feet in the paint, draws help, and kicks it out to Ivey then how does a scrambling recovering defense even begin to stay in front of him?

Yeah I think there is definitely more to being an off ball outlet than catch and shoot ability. As a rookie, Ivey attacking closeouts or collapsing/shifting defenses on the second side has a chance to be a really elite play finisher. His combination of burst (laterally and vertically), quickness, ball skills and finishing package is extremely rare, even by NBA standards

I disagree that Ivey can finish inside like he did in college. Not yet at least. What I can see happening is teams still doubling Cade and Ivey is played far so he can have an open 3 and take it. Teams will dare him to take it and if he’s shooting under 30%? He’s gonna have to take advantage of Duren and Bagley because the next move for him is to dribble it inside and look for the finish or the lob. If not then I’m not sure if he’s able to finish around the rim against NBA’s defense. Now my point wasn’t against Ivey, it was against Bagley Stewart Duren, none of them can shoot either. What does that mean? The paint is clogged. So how can Ivey go inside for the finish? It’s a troubling issue that really needs to be answered otherwise we’re gonna have to depend on internal improvement for shooting.

Why would he be shooting under 30% wide open? Ivey isn't nearly the non-shooter some think especially with time and space.

[The Moose]

I don't know man. If Cade gets 2 feet in the paint, draws help, and kicks it out to Ivey then how does a scrambling recovering defense even begin to stay in front of him?

Yeah I think there is definitely more to being an off ball outlet than catch and shoot ability. As a rookie, Ivey attacking closeouts or collapsing/shifting defenses on the second side has a chance to be a really elite play finisher. His combination of burst (laterally and vertically), quickness, ball skills and finishing package is extremely rare, even by NBA standards

I disagree that Ivey can finish inside like he did in college. Not yet at least. What I can see happening is teams still doubling Cade and Ivey is played far so he can have an open 3 and take it. Teams will dare him to take it and if he’s shooting under 30%? He’s gonna have to take advantage of Duren and Bagley because the next move for him is to dribble it inside and look for the finish or the lob. If not then I’m not sure if he’s able to finish around the rim against NBA’s defense. Now my point wasn’t against Ivey, it was against Bagley Stewart Duren, none of them can shoot either. What does that mean? The paint is clogged. So how can Ivey go inside for the finish? It’s a troubling issue that really needs to be answered otherwise we’re gonna have to depend on internal improvement for shooting.

I think 1) you are underestimating Ivey's athletic and finishing ability in NBA spacing, the paint was more clogged at Purdue than it ever will be in any NBA game and he was an elite finisher there
2) I doubt more than one of Bagley/Stew/Duren will share the court at the same time very often. Bey/Livers/Olynyk should be the 4 man in any lineups with those 3

[Spider156]

Yeah I think there is definitely more to being an off ball outlet than catch and shoot ability. As a rookie, Ivey attacking closeouts or collapsing/shifting defenses on the second side has a chance to be a really elite play finisher. His combination of burst (laterally and vertically), quickness, ball skills and finishing package is extremely rare, even by NBA standards

I disagree that Ivey can finish inside like he did in college. Not yet at least. What I can see happening is teams still doubling Cade and Ivey is played far so he can have an open 3 and take it. Teams will dare him to take it and if he’s shooting under 30%? He’s gonna have to take advantage of Duren and Bagley because the next move for him is to dribble it inside and look for the finish or the lob. If not then I’m not sure if he’s able to finish around the rim against NBA’s defense. Now my point wasn’t against Ivey, it was against Bagley Stewart Duren, none of them can shoot either. What does that mean? The paint is clogged. So how can Ivey go inside for the finish? It’s a troubling issue that really needs to be answered otherwise we’re gonna have to depend on internal improvement for shooting.

Why would he be shooting under 30% wide open? Ivey isn't nearly the non-shooter some think especially with time and space.

I’m thinking of the worst. I’ve seen everything in this league. Players come in shooting hot and then don’t shoot well in the NBA. It happens all the time, see European players as the best example.Ivey will need space to get that shot up and he’ll be open to take them but if he misses them it’s gonna hurt his confidence. At some point it’ll hurt the game and teams will scout him. Essentially what will end up happening is Ivey will need to handle the ball because teams can’t cheat off Cade. Which works pretty well except we don’t have any shooting bigs! So that closes the pick and roll now and opponents will always go under the pick for both players lol which means they’ll also clog the paint so no space for Ivey and bigs to work either. Without shooting, an NBA team is nothing!

[pistonsbball]

30/10/10

[Kalamazoo317]

Sure, why not? lol