Welcome DeAnthony Melton

[M2J]

I don't feel like discussing Reed unless he becomes a knock down corner 3 shooter (highly unlikely)... he probably wouldn't even start for a tanking team. At the pf position he's a downgrade defensively to Tobi.

However, I'm much more bullish on Bassey. But, if they go into this season with the same options for backup center, there is a real issue. If Bassey can get stronger, and improve his skills great. But, they cannot count on that.

[stormi]

Per 36

Haliburton (with Kings last season)
14.9ppg
2.5 stocks
4.3 rpg
8apg
2.1 3/g

Melton
17.2 ppg (comparable to Haliburton as lead guard with Pacers)
3.1 stocks
7rpg
4.2 apg
3.0 3/g

Melton more of a scorer, better shooter, better defensive player and better rebounder than Haliburton who’s only clearly better as a facilitator.

Both are tremendous players. I think this sort of trait breakdown should help emphasize why I think Mr. 180 M's is not a good basketball player.

When you just compared Melton and Haliburton, you wanted to see what they excel at. What's their specialty. Haliburton is a game changing playmaker - and both of them knock down 3's on heavy volume while causing disruption defensively.

Hali's numbers ballooned even more in Indiana, bad team / high usage effect I'm sure - but he was averaging over 17 on 62% TS with a 38.9% assist rate to 18.9% turnover while shooting over seven 3's per 100 at 41.6%. Mind numbingly elite at all facets, and he's only 21.

Melton is an elite defender that sprays 3's and has untapped scoring potential at only 24.

Harris' combined stocks (all stats per 36) are... below 1.5 (sad), and he only hits 1.4 3's (sad). Assists only a meager 3.6 as well (sad), and those 17.8 points are being scored with an efficiency of 56.6% TS (mediocre).

Just an extremely boring and replaceable roleplayer that doesn't do a single thing exceptionally well - unlike Hali and Melton.

WE deserve better.

Tobias made sense when we had Ben, that time we were thirsty for offense with limited assets.

Tobias didnt play as well as he did last season compared to 2020-2021 season.

But he adjusted to his role and played well in the playoffs (he shot almost 50-40-90) with team high of 3BPM. He was great on defense most of the Raps series (except for the last two games), he rebounds as well as PJ Tucker. He shot 3s better than Mikal Bridges. He was never hunted on defense. He’s the type of player that can play in the playoffs because he can score efficiently and is not a liability on the defensive end. Reports have it that even the locker room wants him to stay for this season.

I think right now with an Embiid who shows decline on defense and our fetish for putting guards at the SF position, Tobias has to go.

Tobias has to go, not because he is a bad player. But because of what’s need by our roster.

When we had Ben, we need him to be a number 2 option on offense. While right now, we need to load up on size at the 4&5 positions. I think we can play Reed at the 4. Reed and Melton at the 3&4 spots looks really good with Harden, Embiid and Maxey carrying the offense.

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Reed
Embiid

Or

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Embiid
Bassey

Are the two 5 man units I think would be best for the team. Whereas Melton takes Tobias’ 17ppg per 36 scoring that allows us to place a guy who can move the needle in rebounding and defense.

Tobias didn't make sense with Ben because he's not a scorer or shooter on volume, and he doesn't make sense with Harden/Maxey/Embiid because he's not a defender or a shooter or an outstanding rebounder.

He doesn't possess a winning skillset. The only thing he brings to the table is pointless scoring. Pointless because it's on average efficiency, and he isn't such a talented isolation creator that you can ignore his other deficiencies - like a Jordan Poole, and the hope for what Tyrese Maxey could one day be.

Harris' best ever playoffs concluded with him resorting back to the form of mediocrity we have been accustomed to his entire tenure here. 16.0 points against the Heat on 54.8 TS% while posting an extremely timid 9.3% TRB (total rebound percentage). For context, Herro had a 11.3% TRB and Strus had an 11.1% TRB.

I'm glad though that we see eye to eye that a different profile is much needed for this roster, even if it's for different reasons.

[76ciology]

Both are tremendous players. I think this sort of trait breakdown should help emphasize why I think Mr. 180 M's is not a good basketball player.

When you just compared Melton and Haliburton, you wanted to see what they excel at. What's their specialty. Haliburton is a game changing playmaker - and both of them knock down 3's on heavy volume while causing disruption defensively.

Hali's numbers ballooned even more in Indiana, bad team / high usage effect I'm sure - but he was averaging over 17 on 62% TS with a 38.9% assist rate to 18.9% turnover while shooting over seven 3's per 100 at 41.6%. Mind numbingly elite at all facets, and he's only 21.

Melton is an elite defender that sprays 3's and has untapped scoring potential at only 24.

Harris' combined stocks (all stats per 36) are... below 1.5 (sad), and he only hits 1.4 3's (sad). Assists only a meager 3.6 as well (sad), and those 17.8 points are being scored with an efficiency of 56.6% TS (mediocre).

Just an extremely boring and replaceable roleplayer that doesn't do a single thing exceptionally well - unlike Hali and Melton.

WE deserve better.

Tobias made sense when we had Ben, that time we were thirsty for offense with limited assets.

Tobias didnt play as well as he did last season compared to 2020-2021 season.

But he adjusted to his role and played well in the playoffs (he shot almost 50-40-90) with team high of 3BPM. He was great on defense most of the Raps series (except for the last two games), he rebounds as well as PJ Tucker. He shot 3s better than Mikal Bridges. He was never hunted on defense. He’s the type of player that can play in the playoffs because he can score efficiently and is not a liability on the defensive end. Reports have it that even the locker room wants him to stay for this season.

I think right now with an Embiid who shows decline on defense and our fetish for putting guards at the SF position, Tobias has to go.

Tobias has to go, not because he is a bad player. But because of what’s need by our roster.

When we had Ben, we need him to be a number 2 option on offense. While right now, we need to load up on size at the 4&5 positions. I think we can play Reed at the 4. Reed and Melton at the 3&4 spots looks really good with Harden, Embiid and Maxey carrying the offense.

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Reed
Embiid

Or

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Embiid
Bassey

Are the two 5 man units I think would be best for the team. Whereas Melton takes Tobias’ 17ppg per 36 scoring that allows us to place a guy who can move the needle in rebounding and defense.

Tobias didn't make sense with Ben because he's not a scorer or shooter on volume, and he doesn't make sense with Harden/Maxey/Embiid because he's not a defender or a shooter or an outstanding rebounder.

He doesn't possess a winning skillset. The only thing he brings to the table is pointless scoring. Pointless because it's on average efficiency, and he isn't such a talented isolation creator that you can ignore his other deficiencies - like a Jordan Poole, and the hope for what Tyrese Maxey could one day be.

Harris' best ever playoffs concluded with him resorting back to the form of mediocrity we have been accustomed to his entire tenure here. 16.0 points against the Heat on 54.8 TS% while posting an extremely timid 9.3% TRB (total rebound percentage). For context, Herro had a 11.3% TRB and Strus had an 11.1% TRB.

I'm glad though that we see eye to eye that a different profile is much needed for this roster, even if it's for different reasons.

Yes. And i think we both agree that Melton can fit into Tobi’s role on offense.

I think right now we need someone who can protect the rim, rebound and possibly shoot to replace Tobias.

[stormi]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potential elite defender, and a much needed weak side rim protector to alleviate some pressure off of Joel Embiid and the rest of the team when he gets pulled away from the rim.

Although a capable alternative if Reed wasn't trusted by Daryl or Doc would be someone like PJ Washington. He's mobile enough to play alongside Embiid, spams 3's and can protect the rim. He isn't the most tenacious rebounder in the world though.

Someone like Chris Boucher is a 6'9 rim protecting beast that could also fit alongside Joel Embiid. He's a destroyer on the glass, more Reed less Washington. Downside is his shot has been up and down year by year. Positively speaking though, he did just shoot 42.9% from the corner this past season.

[76ciology]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it means something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potentially elite defender, and weak side rim protector to alleviate some pressure off of Joel Embiid.

Although a solid alternative would be someone like PJ Washington that is mobile enough to play with Embiid, spams 3's and can protect the rim. He isn't the most tenacious rebounder in the world though.

Yes. And I dont mind even if he just be a lob threat at the dunker spot with Embiid spacing the floor (but still getting high volume of ISO) and being balanced on the defensive end.

I do think defense and rebounding will make us a better team. More second chance points, more backdoor cuts/lobs and transition points should make us a better offensive team.

I just find our offense to be very predictable without a guy who is an elite cutter or lob threat.

Even if you have 3 elite shooters with Embiid and Harden, your offense will just get stalled because the guys are stationary leading it to be predictable that a group of 6’9” wings like the Raps or a lot of teams with length (even the Lakers) can easily rotate and recover on defense.

When we had Green at the 3 and Tobias at the 4, it’s already the most spaced out team in the league. Most teams play with 1 non shooter, some even had 2. And yet, it’s not like we’re an unstoppable halfcourt offensive team. My point is.. mere spacing around Biid and Harden is not the answer.

And I think having Melton at the 3 is a step towards that

[stormi]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it means something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potentially elite defender, and weak side rim protector to alleviate some pressure off of Joel Embiid.

Although a solid alternative would be someone like PJ Washington that is mobile enough to play with Embiid, spams 3's and can protect the rim. He isn't the most tenacious rebounder in the world though.

Yes. And I dont mind even if he just be a lob threat at the dunker spot with Embiid spacing the floor (but still getting high volume of ISO) and being balanced on the defensive end.

I do think defense and rebounding will make us a better team. More second chance points, more backdoor cuts/lobs and transition points should make us a better offensive team.

I just find our offense to be very predictable without a guy who is an elite cutter or lob threat.

Even if you have 3 elite shooters with Embiid and Harden, your offense will just get stalled because the guys are stationary leading it to be predictable that a group of 6’9” wings like the Raps or a lot of teams with length (even the Lakers) can easily rotate and recover on defense.

When we had Green at the 3 and Tobias at the 4, it’s already the most spaced out team in the league. Most teams play with 1 non shooter, some even had 2. And yet, it’s not like we’re an unstoppable halfcourt offensive team. My point is.. mere spacing around Biid and Harden is not the answer.

And I think having Melton at the 3 is a step towards that

Yep I agree, and I feel like James Harden suffered the most from the fact that there was typically no outlet for him when he drove to the rim. I don't think it was completely "burst" related. Eventually teams are going to beg stars to force you to beat them.

There's no athlete in the league that's just going to "burst" past double teams especially against top defenses with elite athletes that are selling out to stop you. Out of isolation, sure, but most of the time Harden was driving into collapsed lanes where he didn't have that release valve to punish defenses. Someone like Boucher or Collins or Reed would help greatly in that regard.

If you replaced Thybulle with a slightly more talented wing that provided spacing gravity, and similarly turned Harris - who was a floater / tertiary shot creator into a cutting / vertical lob threat around the rim for James Harden the offense would truly unlock.

[M2J]

Sounds fun to think about if Reed can make teams guard him. Whatever corner 3pt% Tobias had, he has gravity and whether it's a good year for him or a down one... He's always brought that. Gravity means spacing whether it's going in or not. I wouldn't expect Reed to provide that, but who knows

[Lou_23]

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[sixers4real]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potential elite defender, and a much needed weak side rim protector to alleviate some pressure off of Joel Embiid and the rest of the team when he gets pulled away from the rim.

Although a capable alternative if Reed wasn't trusted by Daryl or Doc would be someone like PJ Washington. He's mobile enough to play alongside Embiid, spams 3's and can protect the rim. He isn't the most tenacious rebounder in the world though.

Someone like Chris Boucher is a 6'9 rim protecting beast that could also fit alongside Joel Embiid. He's a destroyer on the glass, more Reed less Washington. Downside is his shot has been up and down year by year. Positively speaking though, he did just shoot 42.9% from the corner this past season.

Stormi, bro, I just enjoy reading your posts. I thought and1 isn’t enough

[blargh]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potential elite defender,

This is a bit of a misconception, that corner threes don’t require much self-creation. There’s a reason why Isaiah Joe, never seems to get open for them, why I can barely recall Reed even shooting a corner three, why Thybulle, even though he is utterly ignored out there, is still not open in the corner as much as you’d think. Meanwhile Danny Green makes a living there while every player in the league knows he makes a living there. If you just stand in the corner, your offense is stagnant, and its relatively easy to close out to you. There is a skill to relocating there at the right time, timing it with your team offense’s penetration. Watching some Melton film, I think he gets it.

Paul Reed definitely has not gotten it yet, so like most other parts of his game, it remains theoretical. I think it’s nuts at this point to call him a “potential elite defender”- he’s not even a good defender yet. He’s objectively worse than Tobias. And he’s not that young anymore.

[mjkvol]

I just find our offense to be very predictable without a guy who is an elite cutter or lob threat.

This is the most irritating thing about Thybulle - he could and should have been that guy, but has the BB IQ of a gnat and has shown zero inclination to find a way to contribute offensively beyond spacing the floor, which he also doesn't do.

Harris and Thybulle absolutely must be replaced for us to seriously compete in the next couple of years.

[Dnt hate]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potential elite defender,

This is a bit of a misconception, that corner threes don’t require much self-creation. There’s a reason why Isaiah Joe, never seems to get open for them, why I can barely recall Reed even shooting a corner three, why Thybulle, even though he is utterly ignored out there, is still not open in the corner as much as you’d think. Meanwhile Danny Green makes a living there while every player in the league knows he makes a living there. If you just stand in the corner, your offense is stagnant, and its relatively easy to close out to you. There is a skill to relocating there at the right time, timing it with your team offense’s penetration. Watching some Melton film, I think he gets it.

Paul Reed definitely has not gotten it yet, so like most other parts of his game, it remains theoretical. I think it’s nuts at this point to call him a “potential elite defender”- he’s not even a good defender yet. He’s objectively worse than Tobias. And he’s not that young anymore.

What? Reed is still only 23 and has shown that he's already a great defender.

[76thBearCub]

Really think Morey hit a good base hit double with this.

[Ben]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

I enjoy your posts but I don't think I understand the bolded part. Doesn't match with my recollection or with the stats that I can find. Help me out?

[76ciology]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

I enjoy your posts but I don't think I understand the bolded part. Doesn't match with my recollection or with the stats that I can find. Help me out?

GLeague stats
20-21 3.6 attempts
21-22 4.3 attempts

[TTP]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

I enjoy your posts but I don't think I understand the bolded part. Doesn't match with my recollection or with the stats that I can find. Help me out?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630194/career/

Fun fact: The Sixers now have the guys that finished #1 and #2 in the NBA in steal % last year in Thybulle (3.4%) and Melton (3.0%). Reed didn't qualify but his career steal % is 4.4% and was an absurd 5.5% last season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Neither Melton or Reed should have the door closed on their full potential this early into their careers. Some of you act like 23 years old = over the hill veteran who has maxed out as a player. Those same people want to go ahead and sign PJ Tucker though.

[SixthStreet]

Melton is what Brand thought J-Rich was. This time we have a competent GM making the evaluation.

[mjkvol]

Melton is what Brand thought J-Rich was. This time we have a competent GM making the evaluation.

Post of the day nominee.

[M2J]

Reed shot 44.4% from 3 last season on 3.6 attempts and 43.6% this G League season on 4.3 attempts per game. It doesn't mean anything, but at the same time it could mean something. There clearly is shooting upside within him, and he's also a capable free throw shooter. And fwiw he also made the only corner 3 he took in the playoffs.

Anyways, it's not like he'd be asked to replace some theoretical bomber. Tobias gives the team about one 3 per game, and he isn't even a good in the corner spacer role.

Tobias John shot 36.1% from the corners this season. That sounds fine I'm sure you're thinking? But it's really not. It's one of the easiest shots in basketball and generally assisted from others at a high rate. There's not much self creation involved in a corner 3, it's just cashing in on the fruits of your teammates creation labors.

Melton shot 46.1% on corner 3's two seasons ago and 50.0% this past year.
Maxey shot 58.1% (which is unfathomably good).

Even **** shooters like Westbrook and Siakam shot 43.8% and 47.5% from the corners respectively.

I don't think it's all that much of an ask of Reed to replicate similar mediocre corner spot up ability like 180 currently provides, but with Reed you'd be getting an elite rebounder, potential elite defender,

This is a bit of a misconception, that corner threes don’t require much self-creation. There’s a reason why Isaiah Joe, never seems to get open for them, why I can barely recall Reed even shooting a corner three, why Thybulle, even though he is utterly ignored out there, is still not open in the corner as much as you’d think. Meanwhile Danny Green makes a living there while every player in the league knows he makes a living there. If you just stand in the corner, your offense is stagnant, and its relatively easy to close out to you. There is a skill to relocating there at the right time, timing it with your team offense’s penetration. Watching some Melton film, I think he gets it.

Paul Reed definitely has not gotten it yet, so like most other parts of his game, it remains theoretical. I think it’s nuts at this point to call him a “potential elite defender”- he’s not even a good defender yet. He’s objectively worse than Tobias. And he’s not that young anymore.

What? Reed is still only 23 and has shown that he's already a great defender.

Reeds offensive potential is much better than his defensive IMO.

He's Amare or Toppins like in having a body type that prevents a low enough stance to have the lateral movement to be a great defender on the perimeter... He even gets bullied on drives by guards. Back up guards. Not big enough to body up big post players. Offers little rim protection, with the exception of charge here or there.

He supposedly had one game in like November where he held Giannis to a 30pt game of lower efficiency in a Bucks win and people got excited.