Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[Daffy]

IceCold, it seems like since your original post of you friend saying “we got our 3rd scorer” it has been continued obstacles like the need for a 3rd team, and now theres a bidding war.

so I guess im asking plainly… now being in a bidding war in which (for someone like Mitchell) there isnt much more they can add to a trade bc our assets were already limited. the chances have clearly gone down as you are indicating, correct? how likely does your friend think it is now? being in a bidding war and needing to find a 3rd team to agree to facilitate a trade is FAR from being close to a deal i hope you realize.

Also factor in with the need for a 3rd team and a "bidding war" guys like Shams and Woj would catch a whiff and leak info. Bidding wars are never quiet.

Let’s see what happens. You can nitpick any rumor. IceCold is relaying What he’s being told.

Plot twist. Ice is the friend.

[SerialChiller]

Collins is a name that we might be hearing come up again soon.

For the Heat? What makes you say this?

I think he's just guessing that since we need a PF and he's one that's seemingly available for trade.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Appreciate the info Ice but its starting to sound like your inside man is taking you for a ride on this big fish.

Yesterday the player and his camp had requested a firm update from their team by afternoon so they’d know how to proceed and start making noise if needed. Afternoon came and went. Now another team is in the mix and forcing us to give up more - even though yesterday he reported that we were already at the point of throwing in a player we didnt want to. Setting the stage for the final update tomorrow which would be something along the lines of the price got too high and we had to pull out.

So I did a little digging into Ice's post. I was bored so I got some pages in. It's strange that his buddy got the job a year ago but the only mention of it was as soon as free agency started for us. What a coincidence. No draft tidbits. No mentions of it throughout the season.

it’s as simple as the transition from “we got our guy” to we are now “in a bidding war.” that’s not how this works. you “got your guy” once the bidding war is over and your negotiating on the margins/finalizing the financials. the backtracking here has been legendary - from finalizing deal with finding 3rd team to take on salary, to needing to add more assets to an all out bidding war & needing to add MORE assets (lmao 2 new iterations of the deal once it was apparently agreed to in principle mind you). it’s really amateur understanding of how nba works if youre going to pose as having high level intel. all in good fun though, we all want the best for our team and we’ll see what actually is happening in the next couple days.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Collins is a name that we might be hearing come up again soon.

For the Heat? What makes you say this?

It’s definitely just a hunch but a plausible name to keep in mind considering there has been mutual interest in the past a la Jerami Grant and reports were that hes completely done in ATL - and yes because of the need to shore up the frontcourt. I actually wouldnt be surprised if thats who Adam’s friend was referring to with that “steal” tweet.

[dean456]

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Not sure if everyone caught this little nugget in the thread of this post from Adam. Basically stating that if we dont sure up the PF position then Jovic may need to start for us, and jokingly said that he'd need to start eating multiple steaks a day and later in the day replying "okay stop eating" curious if this may mean that we have either sured up the PF spot so he wont need to start or that he has possibly been traded. Looking forward to tomorrow.

[RexBoyWonder]

Whatever happens with PJ, If he leaves this become more urgent, there's 2 names we need to go after with the MLE :

1. Mo Bamba - huge C that protects the rim and shots 3's. That's the gamble we need to take - hope he can be the 3 and D version of Tucker.

2. Isaiah Hartenstein - same idea, less proven as a 3 point shooter, but more passing.



There are no avaiable PF's to replace/help Tucker - so Spo is going to need to adjust and find a C that works next to Bam.

[puppa bear]

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Oh god, here we go. More subliminal messages from Adam and the fuxk around gang

Can someone who has a twitter account tell this dork to phuck off

Ari has already gotten the message …

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You know all these guys are at least lurkers on here, if not regular posters. Most of the old guard of Heat RealGM fame are out in Twitter space, you just have to know where to look. There’s a couple I never found, but most of them are there to be found …

[3ballbomber]

Appreciate the info Ice but its starting to sound like your inside man is taking you for a ride on this big fish.

Yesterday the player and his camp had requested a firm update from their team by afternoon so they’d know how to proceed and start making noise if needed. Afternoon came and went. Now another team is in the mix and forcing us to give up more - even though yesterday he reported that we were already at the point of throwing in a player we didnt want to. Setting the stage for the final update tomorrow which would be something along the lines of the price got too high and we had to pull out.

So I did a little digging into Ice's post. I was bored so I got some pages in. It's strange that his buddy got the job a year ago but the only mention of it was as soon as free agency started for us. What a coincidence. No draft tidbits. No mentions of it throughout the season.

So now we're investigating posters for info legitimacy This is wild, I love it!

[puppa bear]

***Update

Just got of the phone with my boy, lots of new tidbits of information.

1. PJ is not pushing any agenda to get the full midlevel right off the bat, opening in free agency if it hurts the teams ability to get better, however if Miami cannot show any promising trades or scenarios he will hope to get it. Everything is still looking at him resigning, the twitter gossipers are pushing an agenda. Philly was involved in some packets with his name and as a third team which they were trying to get in on Miami off loading some dollars during the Irvin storm.

2. Nets still keeping options open with Miami as a line of communication, however the senior staff want nothing of the sort. Too much of a liability for expiring and Brooklyn is still asking for Herro & Lowry + Picks tentatively. He said that it smells like Durant has not enjoyed how this whole process was handled with too much being leaked by Brooklyn for leverage and could still potentially ask out mid season if they don't turn the ship around. (which Miami wants to have the ability to get in on this later but giving PJ that contract will hurt us with that possibility).

3. The player Miami is targeting with the big trade is still in play however another team is now in the mix and has one up their previous offer which may force us to give up more in this trade. Miami is all in however as they feel this is the way and are waiting until tomorrow afternoon to see what else shakes free. The player also has this team as one of their top destinations so is gonna be a betting war.

4. There was an additional packet from a West team sent in this afternoon but it went to a different team however it was high caliber, as they have Andy involved on making something work. Gonna try and get more scoop on this tomorrow if he can.

5. There are now 2 possibilities of offloading Duncan for another player of similar value, and another for picks and a expiring which could be bought out. Depending on where the trades are heading Miami has the ability to gain some assets to sweetened one of our bigger deals.

6. He now knows the number Dipo's camp is looking for its a shorter deal and a lot less than Lowry's deal as he originally heard. 2 year deal at 12 Mil per, They want a prove it deal somewhere as they are confident Dipo can regain form and go for a long multi year deal a bigger dollars later. Miami feels they can get that down to 8 or 9, as Dipo likes it here and feels confidant he can earn the starting spot with a full offseason.

Cubano this is some good stuff. Lots of good detail on the things that are out & done, but still respecting the process of the ongoing. Hopefully we get the whale Pat is chasing.

[HeatingUp3]

PJ really got me. I thought he really likes it here. But he can leave. I guess he have one more good season in him. Not paying him 30 MIL.
I think we need to go after Bamba, Jalen Smith to play with Bam.

[contract]

Gossip, rumors, and 2nd/3rd hand information is for fun, not for taking too seriously.

Hopefully Ice's friend is full of **** because otherwise our organization has leaks to plug.

[contract]

PJ really got me. I thought he really likes it here. But he can leave. I guess he have one more good season in him. Not paying him 30 MIL.
I think we need to go after Bamba, Jalen Smith to play with Bam.

I'm sure that PJ does like it here, but business is business and he's already 37 years old. He doesn't have a lot of prime earning years left. He can always vacation in Miami or take a coaching job here when he retires.

[puppa bear]

Media pushing agendas for teams and/or agents, aspiring media taking tips and reporting them in hope of scooping Woj/Shams, randoms putting out random inside scoops or it’s plain lies, and others blueing the line between reporting and opinions.

You just gotta take it all in and not let any of it get you to high or low. Otherwise we end up in full shambles.

Doesn’t help that the Heat are the FA boogeymen that every agent tells stories about.

[dean456]

Been messing around with the Cap trying to figure out how the front office may be realistically looking retain our guys/improve this roster on the margins.

I think for sure Dedmond is gone, Morris is gone and I'm not 100% sure but we might have to let Garrett walk as well unless there's some way I'm not aware of for us to retain him and still get access to the full MLE.

Looking like Tuckers current asking price the full 10.3mil MLE and if what IceCold is saying that Oladipo is looking for around 12mil per.

I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to offer more than the full MLE to Dipo. But if they did we may not be able to match that while retaining Tucker unless we get one of the latter trades done.

We have roughly 20.6mil under the tax line to work with, if we inevitably retain Haslam's cap hold.

Basically we can sign both Tucker and Dipo for the full MLE amount 10.3mil but in that scenario we would lose Caleb Martin.

My bet is Miami is hoping that Tucker and Dipo would be willing to both take the full MLE but shave off the amount they would lose in income tax from what ever other team is courting them so we can also offer Caleb a contract he'd be willing to take.

From there any additions we make would need to be two way guys, vet min signings or internal improvement with trades.

The best case scenario for us is to make trades to upgrade our PF with something like Robinson/Yurt or Jovic/FRP for Morris (+2.2/2.7mil)
or
Robinson/Jovic/FRP for Barnes (+756k) both of which would likely allow us to more easily retain all 3 of Oladipo, Tucker and Martin.

Roster would then be something like,

Lowry/Vincent/Vet Min
Herro/Oladipo/Vet Min
Butler/Strus/Martin
(Barnes/Morris)/PJ/Haslam
Bam/(Yurtseven/Jovic)/Vet Min

Overall I'd be happy with that if that's what we are able to do.

[dean456]

I'm hopeful that we can finally get Haslam to take a role on the bench essentially doing what he's doing now but without a roster spot and we can maybe retain the vet min contract of either Morris/Dedmond/Garrett.

If we do a trade for Morris with Robinson and Yurt then would be good to retain one of Morris/Dedmond instead of giving that roster spot to Haslam unless there's another decent backup C we can sign for the Vet min.

I also think Clippers would be down for that type of move, team would be stacked and if Robinson has a chance of being successful on any team I think Clippers with guys like Wall/Kawhi/PG/Covington/Powell/Batum covering for him defensively and solidifying their backup big in Yurt would be a win win scenario for them.

Wall/Jackson
Powell/Robinson
PG/Mann/Batum
Kawhi/Covington
Zubac/Yurt

[Jinsaryko]

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Don't know how legit this dude is, but it's something to talk about at least.

[Kobewade11]

I'm hopeful that we can finally get Haslam to take a role on the bench essentially doing what he's doing now but without a roster spot and we can maybe retain the vet min contract of either Morris/Dedmond/Garrett.

If we do a trade for Morris with Robinson and Yurt then would be good to retain one of Morris/Dedmond instead of giving that roster spot to Haslam unless there's another decent backup C we can sign for the Vet min.

I also think Clippers would be down for that type of move, team would be stacked and if Robinson has a chance of being successful on any team I think Clippers with guys like Wall/Kawhi/PG/Covington/Powell/Batum covering for him defensively and solidifying their backup big in Yurt would be a win win scenario for them.

Wall/Jackson
Powell/Robinson
PG/Mann/Batum
Kawhi/Covington
Zubac/Yurt

UD said as recently as season’s end he has no interest in coaching.

[twix2500]

***Update

Just got of the phone with my boy, lots of new tidbits of information.

5. There are now 2 possibilities of offloading Duncan for another player of similar value, and another for picks and a expiring which could be bought out. Depending on where the trades are heading Miami has the ability to gain some assets to sweetened one of our bigger deals.

6. He now knows the number Dipo's camp is looking for its a shorter deal and a lot less than Lowry's deal as he originally heard. 2 year deal at 12 Mil per, They want a prove it deal somewhere as they are confident Dipo can regain form and go for a long multi year deal a bigger dollars later. Miami feels they can get that down to 8 or 9, as Dipo likes it here and feels confidant he can earn the starting spot with a full offseason.

Ice, do not share the info about Duncan here. Peeps on this board want to believe the Heat must trade draft picks and half the roster to move Duncan. Let them believe it.


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[MettaWorldPanda]

Media pushing agendas for teams and/or agents, aspiring media taking tips and reporting them in hope of scooping Woj/Shams, randoms putting out random inside scoops or it’s plain lies, and others blueing the line between reporting and opinions.

You just gotta take it all in and not let any of it get you to high or low. Otherwise we end up in full shambles.

Doesn’t help that the Heat are the FA boogeymen that every agent tells stories about.

Great take. All these shenanigan's will be over soon and we’ll all go back to regularly scheduled chit talk programming about Iggie.

[twix2500]

In case of Dipo, the Heat had discussion with Dipo about his future for a while now. It shouldn't be any surprises between Heat and Dipo.

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