THE Off-Season Thread 2022-23

[sackings916]

Anyone have an idea of our updated cap situation now that it looks like DDV will be let go?

[BoogieTime]

I like the idea of a healthy DDV, but that may never come to fruition. He was not good in the shortened time he was here and complaining about starting, though he should have as he’s better than Holiday, did leave a bad taste.

The only reason Oladipo would come here is if he and his agent feel there is no competition here. Though he’s wrong

[Silver Man]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

Ah you're right I was thinking it was only the 6 million. Makes a bit more sense now.

[LightTheBeam]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

And I have a big issue with the "limited DDV's Minutes" narrative. He played 26.6mpg in Sacramento, his career high MPG in Milwaukee was 27.5mpg. This was him coming off a major injury, what did he expect 35mpg??

I don't care he's gone. My ideal scenario was we S&T him for a TPE. I guess they rather just let him walk. I preferred we played around as an above the cap team and added an MLE player and DDV TPE instead of being below the cap. It's hard to stay at the cap and then match contracts for bigger moves when your top 3 guys are the only ones making real money.

But Vivek is cheap and this is the life of a Kings fan. Selling 2nd round picks, spending the bare minimum, and praying for our next rookie to turn our future around.

[kalenclayton]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

It’s the asset play that I have an issue with. Tender the offer and play the field. Don’t let an asset walk for absolutely nothing before FA starts.

[OxAndFox]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

And I have a big issue with the "limited DDV's Minutes" narrative. He played 26.6mpg in Sacramento, his career high MPG in Milwaukee was 27.5mpg. This was him coming off a major injury, what did he expect 35mpg??

I don't care he's gone. My ideal scenario was we S&T him for a TPE. I guess they rather just let him walk. I preferred we played around as an above the cap team and added an MLE player and DDV TPE instead of being below the cap. It's hard to stay at the cap and then match contracts for bigger moves when your top 3 guys are the only ones making real money.

But Vivek is cheap and this is the life of a Kings fan. Selling 2nd round picks, spending the bare minimum, and praying for our next rookie to turn our future around.

The moves Monte is making sure seem to me to be lowering the salary to fit a guy like Collins in. Ham did mention there was an executive not from the Kings saying they have a move for a high end starter. Didn't say what position.

Can the Kings use the little cap space they have to make a move for Collins?
Holiday/Harkless/Picks for Collins
Or could they do a similar thing for Huerter?
Any lower salary player for Huerter into cap space

It sounds like Sasha Vezenkov is coming over so there's the third string SF. So the $750,000 buy out comes out of the $1.7 for the #49 and Vivek gets almost a mill.

Or am I just in denial that the Kings are trying to save money themselves and will simply go into the season with pretty much what is on the roster now.

[Adg1987]

I am not upset. He didn’t play well for us

[LightTheBeam]

The moves Monte is making sure seem to me to be lowering the salary to fit a guy like Collins in. Ham did mention there was an executive not from the Kings saying they have a move for a high end starter. Didn't say what position.

Can the Kings use the little cap space they have to make a move for Collins?
Holiday/Harkless/Picks for Collins
Or could they do a similar thing for Huerter?
Any lower salary player for Huerter into cap space

It sounds like Sasha Vezenkov is coming over so there's the third string SF. So the $750,000 buy out comes out of the $1.7 for the #49 and Vivek gets almost a mill.

Or am I just in denial that the Kings are trying to save money themselves and will simply go into the season with pretty much what is on the roster now.

Anything is possible at this point. I try to set my expectations low so if they do anything good I'm happy.

The only way that a trade like you suggested makes sense to me is a 4 way deal where Utah doesn't want Capela or Collins.

ATL out: Capela, Collins, OO
ATL in: Gobert, O'Neale

Kings out: Holmes, Holiday, Harkless, 1st round pick
Kings in: Collins

4th team out: Expiring Salary + 1st round pick
4th team in: Capela

Utah out: Gobert, O'Neale
Utah in: OO, Holmes, Harkless, Holiday, 4th team expiring, Kings 1st, 4th team 1st

I still don't love the Collins fit. I think everything I've seen from Murray says he should be playing the 4 spot. Getting Collins pretty much means he is our SF moving forward.

[City of Trees]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

It’s the asset play that I have an issue with. Tender the offer and play the field. Don’t let an asset walk for absolutely nothing before FA starts.

But if the asset limits what you can do elsewhere why handicap yourself when you really didn't see him as the answer at SG and the relationship is rocky? $14M caphold.

McNair could have a deal lined up and thus DDV has to go but I'm not going that far...

[LightTheBeam]

I think we will see what Donte gets in free agency. I'm not expecting big offers.

My prediction, he takes a Malik Monk contract from the LA Lakers and becomes their starting shooting guard. It's an extremely low pressure role, he can shine over there, he will get the minutes he wants, and Ham is their head coach.

[OxAndFox]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

And I have a big issue with the "limited DDV's Minutes" narrative. He played 26.6mpg in Sacramento, his career high MPG in Milwaukee was 27.5mpg. This was him coming off a major injury, what did he expect 35mpg??

I don't care he's gone. My ideal scenario was we S&T him for a TPE. I guess they rather just let him walk. I preferred we played around as an above the cap team and added an MLE player and DDV TPE instead of being below the cap. It's hard to stay at the cap and then match contracts for bigger moves when your top 3 guys are the only ones making real money.

But Vivek is cheap and this is the life of a Kings fan. Selling 2nd round picks, spending the bare minimum, and praying for our next rookie to turn our future around.

The moves Monte is making sure seem to me to be lowering the salary to fit a guy like Collins in. Ham did mention there was an executive not from the Kings saying they have a move for a high end starter. Didn't say what position.

Can the Kings use the little cap space they have to make a move for Collins?
Holiday/Harkless/Picks for Collins
Or could they do a similar thing for Huerter?
Any lower salary player for Huerter into cap space

It sounds like Sasha Vezenkov is coming over so there's the third string SF. So the $750,000 buy out comes out of the $1.7 for the #49 and Vivek gets almost a mill.

Or am I just in denial that the Kings are trying to save money themselves and will simply go into the season with pretty much what is on the roster now.

Scratch that. Didn't have Keegan Murray's cap hold.

[City of Trees]

DDV at .347 career 3pt shooter paired with Fox at .320 career just isn't the move I'd make, and I'm not willing to sacrifice my options this Free Agency by playing wait and see. DDV isn't a guy.

[City of Trees]

Metu is back

Read on Twitter

[OxAndFox]

Anyone have an idea of our updated cap situation now that it looks like DDV will be let go?

Could have this wrong and I'm not sure how many roster spots have cap holds, whether it's 12 or the entire 15.

De'Aaron Fox - 30,351,834
Harrison Barnes - $18,352,273
Domantas Sabonis - $19,937,500
Richaun Holmes - $11,215,260
Keegan Murray - $7,901,280
Justin Holiday - $6,292,440
Davion Mitchell - $4,833,600
Maurice Harkless - $4,564,980
Terence Davis - $4,000,000
Alex Len - $3,918,293
Trey Lyles - $2,625,000
Chimezie Metu - $1,910,860
Neemias Queta - 2-Way
Total - $115,903,320

[kalenclayton]

The QO would have been a $14M cap hold.

I'm not losing sleep over DDV.

I know the narrative has been the Kings limited DDV's minutes to keep his price tag low but if we take a step back and re examine his tenure it appears the Kings never liked what they saw.

It’s the asset play that I have an issue with. Tender the offer and play the field. Don’t let an asset walk for absolutely nothing before FA starts.

But if the asset limits what you can do elsewhere why handicap yourself when you really didn't see him as the answer at SG and the relationship is rocky? $14M caphold.

McNair could have a deal lined up and thus DDV has to go but I'm not going that far...

It doesn’t limit you though. You can pull the QO at any time. The cap hold is still there right now regardless if I understand correctly. The difference is that the Kings don’t have control. It just seems strange to pull this so early unless you know he’s not the guy. I think he’s the about the same caliber of player that Davis is, just a different set of skills. They’re both better than Holiday.

I’m just highly critical of McNair. He hasn’t don’t anything notable as a GM (minus the Hali trade). He has been patient and safe to a fault. I’ll reserve further judgement of this move until the next few moves are made, but I’m not impressed right now.

[kalenclayton]

Metu is back

Read on Twitter

EJ Liddell was right there in the 2nd round and he’s a better prospect, yet we choose one more year kicking the tires on Metu.

[City of Trees]

Metu is back

Read on Twitter

EJ Liddell was right there in the 2nd round and he’s a better prospect, yet we choose one more year kicking the tires on Metu.

I'm with you 100%

[OxAndFox]

I think we will see what Donte gets in free agency. I'm not expecting big offers.

My prediction, he takes a Malik Monk contract from the LA Lakers and becomes their starting shooting guard. It's an extremely low pressure role, he can shine over there, he will get the minutes he wants, and Ham is their head coach.

I think that is a pretty good read. I don't see a huge market for him. But I still believe DDV can be a really good player. Monte must have his plans in place so I need to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[kalenclayton]

Metu is back

Read on Twitter

EJ Liddell was right there in the 2nd round and he’s a better prospect, yet we choose one more year kicking the tires on Metu.

I'm with you 100%

I just can’t get over selling both the 2nd rounders that we had. Terrible asset management for a team that needs to be finding any gem they can.

[City of Trees]

It’s the asset play that I have an issue with. Tender the offer and play the field. Don’t let an asset walk for absolutely nothing before FA starts.

But if the asset limits what you can do elsewhere why handicap yourself when you really didn't see him as the answer at SG and the relationship is rocky? $14M caphold.

McNair could have a deal lined up and thus DDV has to go but I'm not going that far...

It doesn’t limit you though. You can pull the QO at any time. The cap hold is still there right now regardless if I understand correctly. The difference is that the Kings don’t have control. It just seems strange to pull this so early unless you know he’s not the guy. I think he’s the about the same caliber of player that Davis is, just a different set of skills. They’re both better than Holiday.

I’m just highly critical of McNair. He hasn’t don’t anything notable as a GM (minus the Hali trade). He has been patient and safe to a fault. I’ll reserve further judgement of this move until the next few moves are made, but I’m not impressed right now.

We could make assumptions about why they pulled it now. Kings now know his market value and deemed it too pricey. Instead of playing the wait and see game opt to give DDV his wish before Free Agency starts in a relationship repairing move. Meanwhile the Kings have a better idea of what cap space is available with DDV not returning.