THE Off-Season Thread 2022-23

[City of Trees]

EJ Liddell was right there in the 2nd round and he’s a better prospect, yet we choose one more year kicking the tires on Metu.

I'm with you 100%

I just can’t get over selling both the 2nd rounders that we had. Terrible asset management for a team that needs to be finding any gem they can.

For a team that lacks talent I do understand the argument of opting not to dedicate a roster spot to any 2nd rounders this year. However, there were 2-3 guys still on the board you could argue made sense.

[kalenclayton]

But if the asset limits what you can do elsewhere why handicap yourself when you really didn't see him as the answer at SG and the relationship is rocky? $14M caphold.

McNair could have a deal lined up and thus DDV has to go but I'm not going that far...

It doesn’t limit you though. You can pull the QO at any time. The cap hold is still there right now regardless if I understand correctly. The difference is that the Kings don’t have control. It just seems strange to pull this so early unless you know he’s not the guy. I think he’s the about the same caliber of player that Davis is, just a different set of skills. They’re both better than Holiday.

I’m just highly critical of McNair. He hasn’t don’t anything notable as a GM (minus the Hali trade). He has been patient and safe to a fault. I’ll reserve further judgement of this move until the next few moves are made, but I’m not impressed right now.

We could make assumptions about why they pulled it now. Kings now know his market value and deemed it too pricey. Instead of playing the wait and see game opt to give DDV his wish before Free Agency starts in a relationship repairing move. Meanwhile the Kings have a better idea of what cap space is available with DDV not returning.

I feel that. I know I’m being a bit reactionary, but history is giving me red flags about what is to come. I hope I’m wrong. I’m going to try to refrain from being so irritated by moves like the DDV one when I haven’t seen the next move.

[OxAndFox]

It’s the asset play that I have an issue with. Tender the offer and play the field. Don’t let an asset walk for absolutely nothing before FA starts.

But if the asset limits what you can do elsewhere why handicap yourself when you really didn't see him as the answer at SG and the relationship is rocky? $14M caphold.

McNair could have a deal lined up and thus DDV has to go but I'm not going that far...

It doesn’t limit you though. You can pull the QO at any time. The cap hold is still there right now regardless if I understand correctly. The difference is that the Kings don’t have control. It just seems strange to pull this so early unless you know he’s not the guy. I think he’s the about the same caliber of player that Davis is, just a different set of skills. They’re both better than Holiday.

I’m just highly critical of McNair. He hasn’t don’t anything notable as a GM (minus the Hali trade). He has been patient and safe to a fault. I’ll reserve further judgement of this move until the next few moves are made, but I’m not impressed right now.

This is kind of where I'm at with Monte. He is quickly getting a reputation for being too passive. Let's see what the squad is by the end of FA.

[City of Trees]

Vivek has been selling 2nd rounders for years. I bet if we got a sneak peek at his GL's we would find "Annual 2nd round pick revenue"

[LightTheBeam]

Initially I wasn't impressed with Monte. As you guys pointed out "Patient and safe to a fault". I had this complaint pre-Sabonis trade.

Then he made the deal and I had to stop and think for a second. Maybe his first 1.5 years was dealing with a mess Vlade created. Nobody wanted Hield, Bogdan wasn't going to be a good value deal, Bagley was a bum, still stuck with expensive Cory Joseph. He was biding his time and now he is unleashed.

But now I'm back to where I started. Nothing big on the horizon, took the safe draft choice (okay fine), hasn't used his 2nds, no asset accumulation.

Like the move ATL just made. That took balls from the GM. 3 1sts + a swap for DeJounte Murray. But Murray is a star, and ATL IMO has an opportunity to elevate to the elite of the EC if things go right.

I'm hoping Monte does something more this off-season. Maybe a surprise Donovan Mitchell deal that doesn't involve Murray? Holmes + expirings + picks for the next 5 years. That is the kind of all-in move I'm waiting on.

[kalenclayton]

Vivek has been selling 2nd rounders for years. I bet if we got a sneak peek at his GL's we would find "Annual 2nd round pick revenue"

My god. I would laugh and feel despair reading that. Lmao.

It’s sad because a lot of those 2nd rounders would probably generate more revenue than the money he made off of selling them in the first place. Imagine drafting and keeping Gary Trent Jr. instead of selling him for nothing. There are so many examples.

[OxAndFox]

EJ Liddell was right there in the 2nd round and he’s a better prospect, yet we choose one more year kicking the tires on Metu.

I'm with you 100%

I just can’t get over selling both the 2nd rounders that we had. Terrible asset management for a team that needs to be finding any gem they can.

I mean seriously. I get the #49. But add to it at least.
Put the cash from that, minus Sashas $750k for a buy-out and then buy the #35 and add a future 2nd.
Draft Hardy at #35 and EJ Lidell with #37 and this roster would look a whole lot better for the future. Literally, 2 guys who many had as first-round players fell to you and you couldn't make it happen. Both are NBA ready somewhat for varying reasons so they can handle the 5-8mpg that might be there.

Fox
Davion/Davis/Hardy
Barnes/Holiday/Harkless
Murray/Lyles/Lidell
Sabonis/Holmes/Len

[kalenclayton]

I'm with you 100%

I just can’t get over selling both the 2nd rounders that we had. Terrible asset management for a team that needs to be finding any gem they can.

I mean seriously. I get the #49. But add to it at least.
Put the cash from that, minus Sashas $750k for a buy-out and then buy the #35 and add a future 2nd.
Draft Hardy at #35 and EJ Lidell with #37 and this roster would look a whole lot better for the future. Literally, 2 guys who many had as first-round players fell to you and you couldn't make it happen. Both are NBA ready somewhat for varying reasons so they can handle the 5-8mpg that might be there.

Fox
Davion/Davis/Hardy
Barnes/Holiday/Harkless
Murray/Lyles/Lidell
Sabonis/Holmes/Len

I was stunned that Liddell fell as far as he did. I have him as a 12-15 player. I know, I’m really high on him. The Pels got a steal with him and he will be ready to play immediately. Liddell would have fit in perfectly with the Kings. He may be short for a 4, but he can protect the rim (adeptly, I might add), switch a bunch, score a bit, and make winning plays. Perfect fit next to Sabonis as a 3rd big.

Hardy would have been great as a 2-way player. Seriously. I think Kings fans are going to be angry in a year or two when one or both of these guys are flourishing.

[OxAndFox]

If the Knicks are still looking to get rid of some salary I would like Monte to see if the Hali TPE and a 2nd ('23 Sacramento) would get it done for Reddish.

[City of Trees]

Today I'll be at the home of a current Kings coach. Let you guys know if I hear something.

[BoogieTime]

Today I'll be at the home of a current Kings coach. Let you guys know if I hear something.

Tell Rico I said hi.

[City of Trees]

Today I'll be at the home of a current Kings coach. Let you guys know if I hear something.

Tell Rico I said hi.

I will confirm this current Kings coach is bald

[City of Trees]

Spurs pulled Lonnie Walker's QO. If the Spurs intend to tank then go get KJ!

[LightTheBeam]

Spurs pulled Lonnie Walker's QO. If the Spurs intend to tank then go get KJ!

Had this thought earlier. Figured Keldon was probably 24-25. He's only 22 lol. Good chance they see him as part of the rebuild?

Its a weird lineup but id guess the core is Primo, Keldon, Vassell, Sochan, Branham, Wesley. Those are a lot of guys that play 2-4 so maybe they would move Keldon now. But makes more sense to wait it out a year and let these guys battle and pick your core players at the end of the season.

[sackings916]

Deuce said he’s been hearing rumors about Kyle Anderson. Is it possible for us to get both Monk and Anderson?

[codydaze]

I wonder if we package TD with Holmes or HB? He and Monk seem pretty redundant with neither being a PG.

[donkeylips]

damian jones to the lakers

[Adg1987]

Holmes is here to stay i think. i read there is not much of market for him ,but Mike Brown supposedly likes him

[OxAndFox]

Well another thing the Monk signing did was solidify the backup PG position. Davion is going to be filthy though

[City of Trees]

All of a sudden the Kings have Monk, Barnes, and Murray spreading the floor, all hovering around 40% from 3 last season, while Fox and Sabonis work in the pick n roll.