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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#41 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:25 am

pepe1991 wrote:
JF5 wrote:Chet knew he was never coming here... I think the Magic were dead set on a guy who could be a go-to-scorer or a really good scorer. Paolo/Smith/Murray seemed to be the primary choices throughout the whole year.


Paolo, Jabari and Chet were, at college, within 3 points margin in terms of scoring.

Scorer in this sense means just guy who is willing to take more shots, and in this case at expense of quality and efficiency, since Chet was most efficient among them and averaged least amount points (14,1), than Smith (16,9) than Banchero (17,2).

Efficiency vise, 69% TS vs 57% TS vs 55,7% .


It's college basketball and stats don't mean as much, but still, drafting somebody because he is "college scorer" will lead you to situations where you prefer i don't know, Marvin Bagley over Ayton, because he scored more points.


Keegan Murray wasn't even serious considiration once team drew 1st pick. You simply don't draft somebody projected to go between 4 and 10 -with first overall. Guy is 2 years older than other prospects and his college data is inflated due his experience he gained by playing year prior.

Imo, they drafted Paolo Banchero because they view 3 way scoring potential in him. Is it there ? it's debatable. Tiime will tell.


Of the 3, were they all the best player on their team? Smith & Paolo = Yes, Chet debatable.
How balanced were their teams? Duke & Zags very balanced, Aubrun no

Smith was by far the best offensive choice on his team, def. had to force some shots

Paolo had good help, but was looked to be the man delivered most of the time.

Chet had very senior leaders with him, he didn't need to be the man and often it wasn't up to him.
He didn't lead his team in scoring.

Only thing those stats showed is how each performed in their individual situation.
Mix them up, how would they have performed?
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#42 » by Skin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:47 am

Jalen Suggs probably told him to tank his workout.
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#43 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:07 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
JF5 wrote:Chet knew he was never coming here... I think the Magic were dead set on a guy who could be a go-to-scorer or a really good scorer. Paolo/Smith/Murray seemed to be the primary choices throughout the whole year.


Paolo, Jabari and Chet were, at college, within 3 points margin in terms of scoring.

Scorer in this sense means just guy who is willing to take more shots, and in this case at expense of quality and efficiency, since Chet was most efficient among them and averaged least amount points (14,1), than Smith (16,9) than Banchero (17,2).

Efficiency vise, 69% TS vs 57% TS vs 55,7% .


It's college basketball and stats don't mean as much, but still, drafting somebody because he is "college scorer" will lead you to situations where you prefer i don't know, Marvin Bagley over Ayton, because he scored more points.


Keegan Murray wasn't even serious considiration once team drew 1st pick. You simply don't draft somebody projected to go between 4 and 10 -with first overall. Guy is 2 years older than other prospects and his college data is inflated due his experience he gained by playing year prior.

Imo, they drafted Paolo Banchero because they view 3 way scoring potential in him. Is it there ? it's debatable. Tiime will tell.


Of the 3, were they all the best player on their team? Smith & Paolo = Yes, Chet debatable.
How balanced were their teams? Duke & Zags very balanced, Aubrun no

Smith was by far the best offensive choice on his team, def. had to force some shots

Paolo had good help, but was looked to be the man delivered most of the time.

Chet had very senior leaders with him, he didn't need to be the man and often it wasn't up to him.
He didn't lead his team in scoring.

Only thing those stats showed is how each performed in their individual situation.
Mix them up, how would they have performed?


Holmgren was without a doubt best player on his team. Not even close or debatable really.

Timme scored more but Timme would be almost unplayable without Chet as Chet's defense was covering for his lack of mobility and switchability.
Chet lead team in rebounds, blocks, true shooting percentage, win share, BPM, OBPM, DBPM...
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#44 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:07 am

MagicMatic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
JF5 wrote:Chet knew he was never coming here... I think the Magic were dead set on a guy who could be a go-to-scorer or a really good scorer. Paolo/Smith/Murray seemed to be the primary choices throughout the whole year.


Paolo, Jabari and Chet were, at college, within 3 points margin in terms of scoring.

Scorer in this sense means just guy who is willing to take more shots, and in this case at expense of quality and efficiency, since Chet was most efficient among them and averaged least amount points (14,1), than Smith (16,9) than Banchero (17,2).

Efficiency vise, 69% TS vs 57% TS vs 55,7% .


It's college basketball and stats don't mean as much, but still, drafting somebody because he is "college scorer" will lead you to situations where you prefer i don't know, Marvin Bagley over Ayton, because he scored more points.


Keegan Murray wasn't even serious considiration once team drew 1st pick. You simply don't draft somebody projected to go between 4 and 10 -with first overall. Guy is 2 years older than other prospects and his college data is inflated due his experience he gained by playing year prior.

Imo, they drafted Paolo Banchero because they view 3 way scoring potential in him. Is it there ? it's debatable. Tiime will tell.


Paolo definitely has the 3-level scoring ability moreso than the other two.

His questions always came down to defensive instinct/willingness and grabbing boards at a high level.

Im not worried at all about Paolo scoring the ball. The question will come down to how he does it in within system.


He doesn't have abiltiy right now tho, he has potential to be 3 way scorer.
He shot 33,8% for 3 at college, 73% FTs , 35%-ish from mid range.

As for his passing, it's being oversold,at least what he did at college, where he averaged 3,2 assists on 2,4 turnovers.

I'm not worried about his ability to put ball through rim, i'm worried about his shot selection and efficiency while doing so.
Everybody can average 20 points, if you are willing to give him enough shots, question is- should you.
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#45 » by RickB-Orlando » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:37 am

thelead wrote:It may be true but all that matters is that we got the pick right. I keep saying it but it’s the only thing that matters. If Chet or Jabari end up being clearly better, most of us will be asking for a new front office in a year or two.


I was glad to see us pass on CHet. Don't get me wrong, I hope he has some success, but I felt it was way too risky to pick another player with twigs for lower legs - we've all seen how well that worked out with JI so far. Plus reportedly Chet has had trouble gaining and keeping on weight. I don't care how skilled he is for a seven footer, there is no way he can block out the paint against NBA power bigs. He's going to get pushed around and relegated to an oversized 2 guard if he can stay healthy playing the more physical NBA game.

I suspect Banchero may be the alpha scorer we've needed for years. May take two or three years but when he breaks out it is going to be big. Combined with his playmaking ability he certainly has the potential to be a star.

And I disagree with the "asking for a new front office in a year or two." That will happen around halftime in the first summer league game.
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#46 » by davey_wavy » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:59 am

He’s going to get “tanked” by every big boy in the league. This kid has been saying some wild stuff since the draft, he’s definitely got a elevated sense of self-worth. Can’t wait for our boys to knock him around.. Paolos head (including hair) is as wide as Chettuchini Noodles frame
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#47 » by JF5 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:19 am

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Paolo, Jabari and Chet were, at college, within 3 points margin in terms of scoring.

Scorer in this sense means just guy who is willing to take more shots, and in this case at expense of quality and efficiency, since Chet was most efficient among them and averaged least amount points (14,1), than Smith (16,9) than Banchero (17,2).

Efficiency vise, 69% TS vs 57% TS vs 55,7% .


It's college basketball and stats don't mean as much, but still, drafting somebody because he is "college scorer" will lead you to situations where you prefer i don't know, Marvin Bagley over Ayton, because he scored more points.


Keegan Murray wasn't even serious considiration once team drew 1st pick. You simply don't draft somebody projected to go between 4 and 10 -with first overall. Guy is 2 years older than other prospects and his college data is inflated due his experience he gained by playing year prior.

Imo, they drafted Paolo Banchero because they view 3 way scoring potential in him. Is it there ? it's debatable. Tiime will tell.


Paolo definitely has the 3-level scoring ability moreso than the other two.

His questions always came down to defensive instinct/willingness and grabbing boards at a high level.

Im not worried at all about Paolo scoring the ball. The question will come down to how he does it in within system.


He doesn't have abiltiy right now tho, he has potential to be 3 way scorer.
He shot 33,8% for 3 at college, 73% FTs , 35%-ish from mid range.

As for his passing, it's being oversold,at least what he did at college, where he averaged 3,2 assists on 2,4 turnovers.

I'm not worried about his ability to put ball through rim, i'm worried about his shot selection and efficiency while doing so.
Everybody can average 20 points, if you are willing to give him enough shots, question is- should you.


There was a stat I heard in a podcast that Paolo was shooting 52% from the 3 during the tournament. Also, if he made 6 more 3 point shots during the season he would've been at 40%.

So he's not as bad of a 3 point shooter than originally thought.
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#48 » by RookieStar » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:24 am

JF5 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Paolo definitely has the 3-level scoring ability moreso than the other two.

His questions always came down to defensive instinct/willingness and grabbing boards at a high level.

Im not worried at all about Paolo scoring the ball. The question will come down to how he does it in within system.


He doesn't have abiltiy right now tho, he has potential to be 3 way scorer.
He shot 33,8% for 3 at college, 73% FTs , 35%-ish from mid range.

As for his passing, it's being oversold,at least what he did at college, where he averaged 3,2 assists on 2,4 turnovers.

I'm not worried about his ability to put ball through rim, i'm worried about his shot selection and efficiency while doing so.
Everybody can average 20 points, if you are willing to give him enough shots, question is- should you.


There was a stat I heard in a podcast that Paolo was shooting 52% from the 3 during the tournament. Also, if he made 6 more 3 point shots during the season he would've been at 40%.

So he's not as bad of a 3 point shooter than originally thought.


I mean eye test alone I never thought he was. To thoae who followed Duke games like I did, i saw PB shooting in-your-face 3pters with a clean stroke. And during the drive to the F4 it seemed he made more than he nissed in 3pters
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#49 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:14 am

RookieStar wrote:
JF5 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
He doesn't have abiltiy right now tho, he has potential to be 3 way scorer.
He shot 33,8% for 3 at college, 73% FTs , 35%-ish from mid range.

As for his passing, it's being oversold,at least what he did at college, where he averaged 3,2 assists on 2,4 turnovers.

I'm not worried about his ability to put ball through rim, i'm worried about his shot selection and efficiency while doing so.
Everybody can average 20 points, if you are willing to give him enough shots, question is- should you.


There was a stat I heard in a podcast that Paolo was shooting 52% from the 3 during the tournament. Also, if he made 6 more 3 point shots during the season he would've been at 40%.

So he's not as bad of a 3 point shooter than originally thought.


I mean eye test alone I never thought he was. To thoae who followed Duke games like I did, i saw PB shooting in-your-face 3pters with a clean stroke. And during the drive to the F4 it seemed he made more than he nissed in 3pters


If he made few less, he would shoot 30% for 3. That'a a moot point.

And you don't get extra points for taking bad shots, if you make them.

Banchero also shot 73% FTs witch is good indicator he isn't elite shooter.
Time will tell.
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Re: Chet “tanked” his workout 

Post#50 » by jonbob17 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

I mean I get why Chet would want to go to OKC. They have an interesting way of looking at the sport and they are willing to swing for the fences.

I wish Chet the best, he's got a special set of skills and look forward to seeing him develop, but LFG with Paolo, no buyer's remorse, i think we made the right choice and got the best player.

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