Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[cgf]

Don’t got time to sift through all this. Someone quote me and let me know if we linked to any other moves.

If it’s just Brunson & Hartenstein then I’m unmoved. Y’all can spin this schit as some monumental offseason moves if you want to. It’s lateral if you ask me.

Just Robinson likely resigned and RJ getting an extension. But this is it pretty much. We ready for that play in tournament baby

Not the worst year to lose in the play-in with a gaggle of spare picks to move up with

[mpharris36]

Don’t got time to sift through all this. Someone quote me and let me know if we linked to any other moves.

If it’s just Brunson & Hartenstein then I’m unmoved. Y’all can spin this schit as some monumental offseason moves if you want to. It’s lateral if you ask me.

Just Robinson likely resigned and RJ getting an extension. But this is it pretty much. We ready for that play in tournament baby

Not the worst year to lose in the play-in with a gaggle of spare picks to move up with

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

[stuporman]

Yea, if the Knicks can flip a deal like Mitch, Cam, McBride and a 1st into Ayton that would shut people, all the medias, the eff up.

Who would be fine with giving up two firsts? Is Ayton worth it? I'm not sure.

My concern would be trying integrate Randle and Ayton might cause too might front court complication so the whole team's chemistry would suffer.

That could limit Ayton's upside as long as Randle is still around.

I will feel it’s a guard and wing league. Investing in centers feels so 90’s 2000’s

While it definitely is a guard's league, well perimeter player's league and that includes wings but also big men who still do big men things yet with perimeter skills are the key to getting deeper in the playoffs.

This year was an odd ball year in that both finals teams were so small ball oriented but the next generation of young teams coming up are taller and longer with versatile front court players.

Ayton and Hart both have inside/outside games on both ends of the court.

[DaGawd]

Just Robinson likely resigned and RJ getting an extension. But this is it pretty much. We ready for that play in tournament baby

Not the worst year to lose in the play-in with a gaggle of spare picks to move up with

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

This. We couldn’t even move up in was what was considered an ass draft this year. 2023 I don’t see it.. unless you giving away future unprotected first

[Jalen Bluntson]

Sounds like you are spinning some schit on others, I don't see anyone making out it's monumental.

Some people may see the Knicks getting a young, efficient and productive PG finally after a very long time as monumental so suggest it's progress, though.

....the other thing you say they are sayin aint it, you spinnin schit.

Ok, maybe I am out of sheer disappointment. But what’s the end game? What’s the plan? We a treadmill pretty much.

We raised our floor for sure.

But I agree I need to see an end game...and it can't be just stay patient and wait because the "star" just isn't going to fall out of the sky.

Also they have a concerning roster glut. We can say IQ and Obi are big pieces of the future but they are both plastered to the bench in 14 minute a night roles right now.

What are we doing with Fournier/Randle? Why did we trade for Cam Reddish?

Lot of questions remain

The plan is trading assets to build a contender. That's what I can make out of things. They clearly don't want to build through the draft at all. This has been the case for decades so...no real surprise there. Those of us who had hoped they would rebuild through the draft need to grasp this. I have. I don't like it though.

They have to move Randle and Evan or whatever for a top tier player for us to contend. Good luck with that. That's the plan.

[Knox]

Yea, if the Knicks can flip a deal like Mitch, Cam, McBride and a 1st into Ayton that would shut people, all the medias, the eff up.

Who would be fine with giving up two firsts? Is Ayton worth it? I'm not sure.

My concern would be trying integrate Randle and Ayton might cause too might front court complication so the whole team's chemistry would suffer.

That could limit Ayton's upside as long as Randle is still around.

I will feel it’s a guard and wing league. Investing in centers feels so 90’s 2000’s

While it definitely is a guard's league, well perimeter player's league and that includes wings but also big men who still do big men things yet with perimeter skills are the key to getting deeper in the playoffs.

This year was an odd ball year in that both finals teams were so small ball oriented but the next generation of young teams coming up are taller and longer with versatile front court players.

Ayton and Hart both have inside/outside games on both ends of the court.

I don’t think they are as needed as before. Legit it’s like the running back position in the NFL. If Ayton was key to a championship push. They would more than likely try to keep him and Booker together. No accident they want to pair Booker with another scoring wing. Just my take though. Embiid is an amazing big and it hasn’t got the job done with butler Tobias etc

[cgf]

Just Robinson likely resigned and RJ getting an extension. But this is it pretty much. We ready for that play in tournament baby

Not the worst year to lose in the play-in with a gaggle of spare picks to move up with

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

Not suggesting a huge leap, but we've got the ammo to move around within the same tier for the guy we like most...something like jumping from 11 to 8.

[8516knicks]

Past 2 drafts left me despondent and pissed off. ' Last year's free agency same. Finally feel we at least did not reverse ground but improved. We lack and electric player (like an Ivey if he lives up to the hype). So maybe 2023 draft #11 will be like this year's #7and we take a massive swing on a HS'er.?

[stuporman]

Don’t got time to sift through all this. Someone quote me and let me know if we linked to any other moves.

If it’s just Brunson & Hartenstein then I’m unmoved. Y’all can spin this schit as some monumental offseason moves if you want to. It’s lateral if you ask me.

Sounds like you are spinning some schit on others, I don't see anyone making out it's monumental.

Some people may see the Knicks getting a young, efficient and productive PG finally after a very long time as monumental so suggest it's progress, though.

....the other thing you say they are sayin aint it, you spinnin schit.

Ok, maybe I am out of sheer disappointment. But what’s the end game? What’s the plan? We a treadmill pretty much.

There surely is some treadmill team purgatory that is in jeopardy if the FO doesn't realize the limitations of players like Randle and Founier and replace them with upgrades in talent. Those two aren't it, Mitch may not even be it as a starter but as off the bench can be it and there are some other pieces that can be it in their roles.

It may take 2-3 years to finish this but I think a foundation of solid players is coming together. Hopefully Brunson stabilizes the Knicks from the PG spot and Rose and Co doesn't keep the lower team ceiling players over ones that can elevate out of treadmill to actual contention for something. I'm not sugar coating a turd but I'm realistic and reasonable, there's some good stuff and some turds to be flushed.

[8516knicks]

Not the worst year to lose in the play-in with a gaggle of spare picks to move up with

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

This. We couldn’t even move up in was what was considered an ass draft this year. 2023 I don’t see it.. unless you giving away future unprotected first

Maybe we don't have to move up much with all the HS players. Just get lucky. wasn't Kobe like 6th or something?

[spree8]

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

This. We couldn’t even move up in was what was considered an ass draft this year. 2023 I don’t see it.. unless you giving away future unprotected first

Maybe we don't have to move up much with all the HS players. Just get lucky. wasn't Kobe like 6th or something?

Na, he was like 13th I think, but that's because everyone knew he wanted LA

[Spree2Houston]

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

This. We couldn’t even move up in was what was considered an ass draft this year. 2023 I don’t see it.. unless you giving away future unprotected first

Maybe we don't have to move up much with all the HS players. Just get lucky. wasn't Kobe like 6th or something?

13th

[whocares1]

Don’t got time to sift through all this. Someone quote me and let me know if we linked to any other moves.

If it’s just Brunson & Hartenstein then I’m unmoved. Y’all can spin this schit as some monumental offseason moves if you want to. It’s lateral if you ask me.

Knicks got better but they are relying on the growth of the players that are already on the team.

[2010]

Ok, maybe I am out of sheer disappointment. But what’s the end game? What’s the plan? We a treadmill pretty much.

We raised our floor for sure.

But I agree I need to see an end game...and it can't be just stay patient and wait because the "star" just isn't going to fall out of the sky.

Also they have a concerning roster glut. We can say IQ and Obi are big pieces of the future but they are both plastered to the bench in 14 minute a night roles right now.

What are we doing with Fournier/Randle? Why did we trade for Cam Reddish?

Lot of questions remain

The plan is trading assets to build a contender. That's what I can make out of things. They clearly don't want to build through the draft at all. This has been the case for decades so...no real surprise there. Those of us who had hoped they would rebuild through the draft need to grasp this. I have. I don't like it though.

They have to move Randle and Evan or whatever for a top tier player for us to contend. Good luck with that. That's the plan.

So basically…there is no plan.

Cuz ain’t no one trading a star for Randle / Fournier

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks get D Mitchell yet?

[Jalen Bluntson]

No one is trading down from the 2023 draft. This is the type of top end where you stick. No group of picks is worth moving off this top heavy of a class.

This. We couldn’t even move up in was what was considered an ass draft this year. 2023 I don’t see it.. unless you giving away future unprotected first

Maybe we don't have to move up much with all the HS players. Just get lucky. wasn't Kobe like 6th or something?

THIRTEENTH!!!!!!

[stuporman]

I will feel it’s a guard and wing league. Investing in centers feels so 90’s 2000’s

While it definitely is a guard's league, well perimeter player's league and that includes wings but also big men who still do big men things yet with perimeter skills are the key to getting deeper in the playoffs.

This year was an odd ball year in that both finals teams were so small ball oriented but the next generation of young teams coming up are taller and longer with versatile front court players.

Ayton and Hart both have inside/outside games on both ends of the court.

I don’t think they are as needed as before. Legit it’s like the running back position in the NFL. If Ayton was key to a championship push. They would more than likely try to keep him and Booker together. No accident they want to pair Booker with another scoring wing. Just my take though. Embiid is an amazing big and it hasn’t got the job done with butler Tobias etc

While it may be true that the old style back to the basket big men aren't as needed anymore until you update your understanding of what the skill set of the new breed of big man involves you are going to have this argument a million times on the internet and be wrong doing so.

Look at all the guys 6-10 and over coming into the league so skilled in ball handling, shooting and perimeter oriented. If you cannot admit this you are being obstinate or ignorant, either way it's just the way it is. It's that simple.

[Knox]

While it definitely is a guard's league, well perimeter player's league and that includes wings but also big men who still do big men things yet with perimeter skills are the key to getting deeper in the playoffs.

This year was an odd ball year in that both finals teams were so small ball oriented but the next generation of young teams coming up are taller and longer with versatile front court players.

Ayton and Hart both have inside/outside games on both ends of the court.

I don’t think they are as needed as before. Legit it’s like the running back position in the NFL. If Ayton was key to a championship push. They would more than likely try to keep him and Booker together. No accident they want to pair Booker with another scoring wing. Just my take though. Embiid is an amazing big and it hasn’t got the job done with butler Tobias etc

While it may be true that the old style back to the basket big men aren't as needed anymore until you update your understanding of what the skill set of the new breed of big man involves you are going to have this argument a million times on the internet and be wrong doing so.

Look at all the guys over 6-10 coming into the league so skilled in ball handling, shooting and perimeter oriented. If you cannot admit this you are being obstinate or ignorant, either way it's just the way it is. It's that simple.

I am a keep it simple since you’re obnoxious about it. In a guard and wing league it would be foolish to commit most of your cap to your power forward and center position. As you said more player are coming in that can replace them. Suns aren’t worried about replacing ayton. We covet him because we are stupid desperate to get something out of this lackluster offseason

[Jalen Bluntson]

We raised our floor for sure.

But I agree I need to see an end game...and it can't be just stay patient and wait because the "star" just isn't going to fall out of the sky.

Also they have a concerning roster glut. We can say IQ and Obi are big pieces of the future but they are both plastered to the bench in 14 minute a night roles right now.

What are we doing with Fournier/Randle? Why did we trade for Cam Reddish?

Lot of questions remain

The plan is trading assets to build a contender. That's what I can make out of things. They clearly don't want to build through the draft at all. This has been the case for decades so...no real surprise there. Those of us who had hoped they would rebuild through the draft need to grasp this. I have. I don't like it though.

They have to move Randle and Evan or whatever for a top tier player for us to contend. Good luck with that. That's the plan.

So basically…there is no plan.

Cuz ain’t no one trading a star for Randle / Fournier

The plan sucks and is based entirely on treadmill until you're lucky to find a star that wants to play here. That's it. Plain and simple. I'm not saying they think they can get a star for just those two. It would take throwing in all of the picks and a young player or two with those guys. It isn't completely out of the realm of possible but...it is razor close!

IMO a better waste of time time is going as young as possible and aim for tank targets that can become the stars instead. Either plan could take years and not work honestly. I just like the tank path odds better. If they can get lucky doing it this way... I'll take it. I just can't see it right now.

Maybe Brunson can make a couple of the players we already have... better. I can't wait to see him play here.

[8516knicks]

I don’t think they are as needed as before. Legit it’s like the running back position in the NFL. If Ayton was key to a championship push. They would more than likely try to keep him and Booker together. No accident they want to pair Booker with another scoring wing. Just my take though. Embiid is an amazing big and it hasn’t got the job done with butler Tobias etc

While it may be true that the old style back to the basket big men aren't as needed anymore until you update your understanding of what the skill set of the new breed of big man involves you are going to have this argument a million times on the internet and be wrong doing so.

Look at all the guys over 6-10 coming into the league so skilled in ball handling, shooting and perimeter oriented. If you cannot admit this you are being obstinate or ignorant, either way it's just the way it is. It's that simple.

I am a keep it simple since you’re obnoxious about it. In a guard and wing league it would be foolish to commit most of your cap to your power forward and center position. As you said more player are coming in that can replace them. Suns aren’t worried about replacing ayton. We covet him because we are stupid desperate to get something out of this lackluster offseason

On the other hand, the 76'ers would be nervous about replacing Embid and Minnesota without KAT would be nothing. Just sayin' Not to mention Denver without Jokic. Or Utah without Gobert.