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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#921 » by NiteOwl » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:23 am

NiteOwl wrote:With Murray to ATL - Delon Wright should be a target IMO if a bigger swing for the fences option doesn't materialize. I like him a lot as a reserve in the backcourt


BOOM - I like Wright/Morris for slightly more than Tyus Jones will earn by his lonesome
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#922 » by doclinkin » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:33 am

doclinkin wrote:Right. Offseason plan:

Draft a guy. Stash a guy.
Shuffle some role players around.
Sign Beal maxxetty MAX.

Done.

Did it! We offseason planned. Ahhhh, relax time. Job well jobbed.


Spoke too soon anyway. Tommy doesn't rest, he fidgets even if meditating.

Inking Delon Wright, adding a big guard at point. I like it. Given the mandate that we re-sign Beal, Tommy has made marginal moves that should improve the team. So far without giving away the future.

I'm curious what happens with Collins, if the rumor is just a smoke screen to drive up a bid price.
Or if Ted is willing to pay the lux tax for a year. Because even a 3-for-1 doesn't match Collins' deal.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#923 » by mhd » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:47 am

doclinkin wrote:
doclinkin wrote:Right. Offseason plan:

Draft a guy. Stash a guy.
Shuffle some role players around.
Sign Beal maxxetty MAX.

Done.

Did it! We offseason planned. Ahhhh, relax time. Job well jobbed.


Spoke too soon anyway. Tommy doesn't rest, he fidgets even if meditating.

Inking Delon Wright, adding a big guard at point. I like it. Given the mandate that we re-sign Beal, Tommy has made marginal moves that should improve the team. So far without giving away the future.

I'm curious what happens with Collins, if the rumor is just a smoke screen to drive up a bid price.
Or if Ted is willing to pay the lux tax for a year. Because even a 3-for-1 doesn't match Collins' deal.


Collins makes less than Kuz+Barton+Deni/Rui, so Turd ensures another season out of the tax
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#924 » by doclinkin » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:15 am

I also like that Tommy understood the chemistry issue from last year and added low-usage PGs who can shoot from outside. Dinwiddie and Beal got in each other's way on court. Monte and Delon shouldn't have that conflict with Beal, or Davis. Davis and Beal might, but I expect Johnny to play off the bench for a while.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#925 » by mhd » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:25 am

doclinkin wrote:I also like that Tommy understood the chemistry issue from last year and added low-usage PGs who can shoot from outside. Dinwiddie and Beal got in each other's way on court. Monte and Delon shouldn't have that conflict with Beal, or Davis. Davis and Beal might, but I expect Johnny to play off the bench for a while.



Davis isn't going to get PT. He'll be in the G-league for the vast majority of the season. There is no PT. Just like Kispert last year, Davis won't get PT unless there is a major injury (like Beal) and trades.

Kispert & Barton will get all the backup SG minutes. Morris & Wright will get all the PG minutes.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#926 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:27 am

doclinkin wrote:I also like that Tommy understood the chemistry issue from last year and added low-usage PGs who can shoot from outside. Dinwiddie and Beal got in each other's way on court. Monte and Delon shouldn't have that conflict with Beal, or Davis. Davis and Beal might, but I expect Johnny to play off the bench for a while.


Still, there are a lot of guys playing for contracts next year, plus Beal will want to show last year's trash isn't the real Beal - and he will want to show he's worth the money.

Last guy that I remember who was paid this much, so out of line with his worth on the court, was Juwan Howard. Maybe Captain Baltche. Both those dudes got booed mercilessly (and hilariously).

Chemistry needs some work, I think.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#927 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:06 am

80sballboy wrote:Ok, Delon Wright for 2 years, $16M per Woj.

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Okay... PG situation settled. Kind of like déjà vu all over again. Hope this time it sticks and works out better than the Dinwiddie/Holiday pair. I like a Wright/Beal combo much more than I like a Morris/Beal combo.

I wanted a trade with Sac last year for Wright... so I guess I will need to be good with this one.

Wright/Morris
Beal/Davis
Kispert/Avdija
Kuz/Hachimura
Porzingis/Gafford

Gill will be useful as a third C/third PF. I don't see Todd & Carey getting much PT. It probably won't sit well but I think Avdija is the odd man out. I would rather it be Barton so I will put Barton on the bench. Anyway, 14 of 15 slots taken a solid push for the 8th seed. I am calling Davis to get the backup minutes at SG (I could very well be very wrong on this one).

The only wildcard on this is if Tommy turns Barton/Kuz into John Collins.

Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#928 » by Menace2Sobriety » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:14 am

My preference would be to see Deni start at SF with time at PF as well. You have scorers everywhere and will need a more defensive glue guy to balance the rotation. Deni’s perfect to defend the big time SF/PF of today.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#929 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:23 am

dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or Cleveland either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#930 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:29 am

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago
Cleveland

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.

Okay, that would be lemonade... I am moving Cleveland up there... if they don't have injuries.

My #sowizards response would be 10th, play-in to 8th seed lose in 4, lose the pick :D
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#931 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:41 am

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or Cleveland either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.


Wishful thinking, but I'd like to see how this thing plays out. We'll see. The Nets are a mess. The Knicks have Brunson-BFD. Cleveland has a scary frontcourt. Detroit is probably a year away from being in the playoff picture. We won 35 games last season with Beal playing 40 games and I know he played well below his norm before the injury. We don't have a CP3 or a Ja, but the combination of Morris and Wright is inherently better than any combo of Neto, Ish, Dinwiddie (until he was traded) and Sato, who was probably the best of a bad lot. Deni should improve and Kispert should shoot close to 40% from 3pt after getting used to the pro line, though who knows how much he plays. Adding Davis (again playing time?), Wright and Morris make the team better defensively and they are pretty good three-point shooters (another issue for years). Then you add Porzingis, who hopefully plays 65-70 games (maybe a stretch) and shot 37% from beyond the arc. He played just 17 games. We had Thomas Bryant trying to play defense for most of the season at the 5. Not saying this is a 50-win team, but they could certainly win 42+ games. That might still just be good enough for the play-in game. Trade for Collins and we could move up to top six.

Depth at the point, defense, improved three-point shooting. Porzingis playing with Beal. Kuzma and Barton will be tradeable assets. I like the moves, but Tommy has to hit a home run or at least a triple for one of his four draft picks for this team to get out of the mud.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#932 » by NatP4 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:46 am

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or Cleveland either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.


If we dump Barton and Kuzma, I like us more than Atlanta, Toronto, and Chicago.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#933 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 7:47 am

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#934 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:54 am

80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or Cleveland either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.


Wishful thinking, but I'd like to see how this thing plays out. We'll see. The Nets are a mess. The Knicks have Brunson-BFD. Cleveland has a scary frontcourt. Detroit is probably a year away from being in the playoff picture. We won 35 games last season with Beal playing 40 games and I know he played well below his norm before the injury. We don't have a CP3 or a Ja, but the combination of Morris and Wright is inherently better than any combo of Neto, Ish, Dinwiddie (until he was traded) and Sato, who was probably the best of a bad lot. Deni should improve and Kispert should shoot close to 40% from 3pt after getting used to the pro line, though who knows how much he plays. Adding Davis (again playing time?), Wright and Morris make the team better defensively and they are pretty good three-point shooters (another issue for years). Then you add Porzingis, who hopefully plays 65-70 games (maybe a stretch) and shot 37% from beyond the arc. He played just 17 games. We had Thomas Bryant trying to play defense for most of the season at the 5. Not saying this is a 50-win team, but they could certainly win 42+ games. That might still just be good enough for the play-in game. Trade for Collins and we could move up to top six.

Depth at the point, defense, improved three-point shooting. Porzingis playing with Beal. Kuzma and Barton will be tradeable assets. I like the moves, but Tommy has to hit a home run or at least a triple for one of his four draft picks for this team to get out of the mud.


Totally agree - the additions so far were pretty good but don't move the needle. Probably still fighting for that 10 spot. If Zingus stays healthy all year and Beal goes back to what he was two years ago, we have a good shot at at making the play-in. Offseason grade, if it ended today, would be a C.

Collins could move the needle and shipping out some of the forwards who are looking for new contracts could help head off any bickering over shots and whatever like they had last year.

Would be kind of bittersweeet seeing Kuzma go if we trade him. That dude has grown on me. I legit hated him in LA, mostly for his hair. He seems like a real likeable dude, though. Geniune, doesn't really take himself too seriously, good teammate. Pretty much the opposite of what I thought of him before he got here.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#935 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:31 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote: Reminder, next year the Wizards have no draft picks... so there is that for getting younger.

We will have a pick if we miss the playoffs... a likely scenario.

We still aren't better than:
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Miami
Atlanta
Toronto
Chicago

and I'm not sure we are better than Charlotte, New York, Brooklyn, or Cleveland either. Heck, Detroit might be better than us.


Wishful thinking, but I'd like to see how this thing plays out. We'll see. The Nets are a mess. The Knicks have Brunson-BFD. Cleveland has a scary frontcourt. Detroit is probably a year away from being in the playoff picture. We won 35 games last season with Beal playing 40 games and I know he played well below his norm before the injury. We don't have a CP3 or a Ja, but the combination of Morris and Wright is inherently better than any combo of Neto, Ish, Dinwiddie (until he was traded) and Sato, who was probably the best of a bad lot. Deni should improve and Kispert should shoot close to 40% from 3pt after getting used to the pro line, though who knows how much he plays. Adding Davis (again playing time?), Wright and Morris make the team better defensively and they are pretty good three-point shooters (another issue for years). Then you add Porzingis, who hopefully plays 65-70 games (maybe a stretch) and shot 37% from beyond the arc. He played just 17 games. We had Thomas Bryant trying to play defense for most of the season at the 5. Not saying this is a 50-win team, but they could certainly win 42+ games. That might still just be good enough for the play-in game. Trade for Collins and we could move up to top six.

Depth at the point, defense, improved three-point shooting. Porzingis playing with Beal. Kuzma and Barton will be tradeable assets. I like the moves, but Tommy has to hit a home run or at least a triple for one of his four draft picks for this team to get out of the mud.

The bottom line is that outside of PG, the only real changes made were Barton + Davis in place of KCP, and I don't see that as an upgrade, at least not while Davis is a rookie.

We got some depth at PG, but neither Morris nor Wright were better than what Dinwiddie did early in the season, or what Sato did late. They're merely an improvement for the 25 or so game stretch in the middle of the season when Neto was getting big minutes.

The biggest reason for optimism is the hope that this Porzingis thing is real and the he is, in fact, a top 30ish player like he was for 19 games with us last season. If he can do that for 70 games, and if Beal's plummet in production last season was an aberration (which may or may not be the case), then I can see 43 wins.

But still, that's no guarantee of the playoffs. The East got real good this summer. Murray joining Atlanta makes them a top 6 team. Cleveland and Toronto are a year older with a year more experience. Chicago should be healthier. And the top 4 teams (Boston, Milwaukee, Philly, Miami) should experience little drop off except for Miami, but they're not dropping below us.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#936 » by NatP4 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:02 pm

Morris and Wright are massive upgrades over all of the PG play last year. Dinwiddie was awful for most of his time here, Sato was just a placeholder game manager. Wright has been an impact player and one of the most underrated players in the league for his entire career.

Year 2 Kispert and year 3 Avdija will be major upgrades. Adding Johnny Davis is a significant upgrade over playing Ish Smith/Aaron Holiday a combined 1200 minutes last year.

We only got about 2000 minutes of Beal and Porzingis combined last year. That figure will obviously change this year, and probably double.

Tommy also isn’t done. Right now, it’s a low playoff seed team. If we can move Barton+Kuzma, they could be really good. All the reports say we likely will.

Not giving Kuzma another 2300 minutes will be a game changer.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#937 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:31 pm

I don't think people realize how good Delon Wright is. You can't just look at his numbers from last season and deduct that he's just a "guy". He's not. Atlanta used him as a backup to Trae Young and he rarely shot when he played.

But in the playoffs, Nate McMillan played him a lot more. He went from about 18mpg to 27mpg and averaged 8.4ppg and 4.8rpg with 2.8apg on 39.5% shooting from 3. I watch mostly Wiz during the regular season, but in the playoffs, I watch as much as I can because I like to see good basketball. Wright has been instrumental defensively with Atlanta, Toronto and Dallas.

Even if we're just mediocre record-wise, TS and WUJ are setting the tone defensively by adding guys that are aggressive on that end of the floor.

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#938 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:52 pm

Look, I wish we traded Beal, went young, and added draft picks to try and get Victor Wembanyama, but this is what we have thanks to Ted. I'll keep my expectations moderately low and hopefully, this team will at least play the right way.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#939 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:12 pm

80sballboy wrote:Look, I wish we traded Beal, went young, and added draft picks to try and get Victor Wembanyama, but this is what we have thanks to Ted. I'll keep my expectations moderately low and hopefully, this team will at least play the right way.
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Also in 2018-19 the Wizards had Napier, 35.8% from 3 with 4 3PA per game and Isiah Thomas shot 41.3% from on 4.7 3 point attempts. That season also coincided with Washington's best offensive output largely with Beal/Bertans shooting well.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#940 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:32 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
80sballboy wrote:Look, I wish we traded Beal, went young, and added draft picks to try and get Victor Wembanyama, but this is what we have thanks to Ted. I'll keep my expectations moderately low and hopefully, this team will at least play the right way.
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Also in 2018-19 the Wizards had Napier, 35.8% from 3 with 4 3PA per game and Isiah Thomas shot 41.3% from on 4.7 3 point attempts. That season also coincided with Washington's best offensive output largely with Beal/Bertans shooting well.


Neither of those guys could defend though but at least that team could get buckets. But point taken. Surround Beal with better shooters and his production should increase.

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