100 Pages & Running: The FA/Trade Thread.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Does Rozier fit in the TPE? Would love him back in Boston

He does not. He makes over 21M.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Booker now off the table in KD trade.

[themoneyteam2]

Does Rozier fit in the TPE? Would love him back in Boston

I worry you'd just be paying a TON more for the exact same role Pritchard has here. Sure he's more talented but that doesn't mean his role within the construct of the team would be all that different.

That’s fair. I guess I envisioned him taking over White’s role. Imagine Scary Terry canning all those open threes in the Finals wheewww

[return2glory]

Gallinari is turning 34 in less than 2 months. Getting Gallinari now would be like getting a little better version of Brian Scalabrine in his prime. Pass.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Portland offered Bruce Brown 8 million.. we can get him for 6.. he’s the best player available, the best fit. He can be another Crowder for us, or better. Worry about the scoring/playmaking need with the TPE and follow-up trades.

He's a terrible fit

What? Why?

[zoyathedestroya]

Does Rozier fit in the TPE? Would love him back in Boston

I worry you'd just be paying a TON more for the exact same role Pritchard has here. Sure he's more talented but that doesn't mean his role within the construct of the team would be all that different.

That’s fair. I guess I envisioned him taking over White’s role. Imagine Scary Terry canning all those open threes in the Finals wheewww

Celtics shot 42% from 3 in the Finals. Much better than the Warriors. Smart and White both better than every guard not named Curry. Our problem was hitting inside the paint... And turnovers.

[Justin33]

Does Rozier fit in the TPE? Would love him back in Boston

no

[zoyathedestroya]

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[hugepatsfan]

Hard to get excited about Gallo if it happens.

He’ll get picked on horribly on defense. He’s really lost a step on that end and wasn’t great to begin with.

1) eh, teams don't really play that way (picking on certain defenders) very much until playoff time

2) when they do pick on a defender, it's usually either like an undersized defender they are abusing in the post, or a perimeter player who is really slow. Gallo isn't guarding guys like kyrie/harden/curry out on the perimeter and he's not defending bigs in the post. He's not really the type of guy who you're going to pick on.. just based on the the matchups he usually has on D and the way offenses usually operate.. I think for a guy playing 15-20 mins a game to give us some offensive spark off the bench, he'd be ok

But the defensive concerns is why I would prefer OPJ to him..

A simple pick and roll gets him isolated or he drops and gets a 3 in his face. I'm fine with the signing if it happens for the O, but I don't you can just handwave away the D impact even in regular season.

The thing is, Gallo would be our 8th best player if signed. If we use the big TPE, he might be our 9th when it's all said and done. When you talk about that range of the roster, you're going to have flaws. That's inevitable. You're trying to find guys whose flaws you can stomach and hide within your team concept and then for them to have strengths that benefit you.

Gallo would be a liability on defense. But at 6'10" it's a not a total "hunt him out" situation. Teams do that with guys too small to contest. Obviously teams are going to try to work Gallo on defense when he's out there, but we have a loaded all around defensive team to help compensate too.

And then from a strengths perspective, he'd be our best shooter. Among anyone on our team, he'd be the guy I most want taking a 3 to win the game. And that's a skill that we lack in our current rotation. He can also get his own offense still. He'd probably be the 3rd best guy on our team at creating his own shot.

So I have the things he does well as great compliments to our roster and the things he struggles with as manageable with the rest of our team's strengths in those areas. That, to me, is the package you're looking for in an 8th/9th man.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Tatum definitely watching this (and Beal's deal) and saying, I could see myself doing that.

[Hal14]

A simple pick and roll gets him isolated or he drops and gets a 3 in his face. I'm fine with the signing if it happens for the O, but I don't you can just handwave away the D impact even in regular season.

It's usually the center, not the PF who is the big man in PnR coverage though. Which is 1 reason why centers are much more important to a defense than PF..

Gallo is a PF and would barely ever play center here..

Sure, but pretty easy adjustment to have gallos guy do the screen instead of Horfords or robs

Perhaps. But now you're asking a guy (gallo's guy) play a role and do something out on the court he's not used to doing, you're taking that team out of their normal gameplan/rhythm..

Just saying, people don't usually hunt mismatches vs PF's. PG's, wings and centers will sometimes get abused. Just my opinion that the 4 spot is the easiest spot to hide a poor defender.

Of course Udoka does like his 4's to be good, switchable defenders, though (Al, Grant). So it all goes back to how much do they want gallo's scoring, does it balance out his defense..and for how much on the contract, does gallo choose a different team..

[hugepatsfan]

Portland offered Bruce Brown 8 million.. we can get him for 6.. he’s the best player available, the best fit. He can be another Crowder for us, or better. Worry about the scoring/playmaking need with the TPE and follow-up trades.

He's a terrible fit

What? Why?

Our offense goes stagnant because defenses have zero respect for our shooters. The Heat and Warriors were content to leave us open from 3 because they didn't believe our role players would hit them with enough volume or consistency to kill them. Obviously we got by vs. MIA, but it caught up vs. GS. The percentages looked good overall, but it wasn't consistent.

Brown worsens us in that area. He's a shooter defenses have ZERO respect for. People see the 40% percentage, but he made half a three per game. He hardly shoots. Defenses don't care if you're going to make one every other game. Playing another guy like that is only going to empower defenses to play with even more pressure on the ball and to crash down into the paint even harder to blindside swipe at the ball whenever Tatum/Brown hit the paint.

You don't build a roster where everyone is good and bad at the same things. You need a complimentary roster. Brown is good at all of the things we're already good at and bad at what we struggle with. That makes him a horrible compliment to our current rotation IMO.

[SLCceltic]

Look, I'll just say this. Over the last year or 2, these are some players who always seem to make every damn shot against us....

Gallo
Oubre
Fournier

OPJ also hit damn near every shot in the finals against us.

Seth Curry too, but he hits shots against everyone.

Josh Hart has also shot really good against us, including that time the pelicans beat us in heartbreaking fashion in 2020-2021..

All of these players could possibly be available, either with the TPE or MLE.

How the **** could you leave Ish Smith off that list

and Terrence Ross !

[djFan71]

1) eh, teams don't really play that way (picking on certain defenders) very much until playoff time

2) when they do pick on a defender, it's usually either like an undersized defender they are abusing in the post, or a perimeter player who is really slow. Gallo isn't guarding guys like kyrie/harden/curry out on the perimeter and he's not defending bigs in the post. He's not really the type of guy who you're going to pick on.. just based on the the matchups he usually has on D and the way offenses usually operate.. I think for a guy playing 15-20 mins a game to give us some offensive spark off the bench, he'd be ok

But the defensive concerns is why I would prefer OPJ to him..

A simple pick and roll gets him isolated or he drops and gets a 3 in his face. I'm fine with the signing if it happens for the O, but I don't you can just handwave away the D impact even in regular season.

The thing is, Gallo would be our 8th best player if signed. If we use the big TPE, he might be our 9th when it's all said and done. When you talk about that range of the roster, you're going to have flaws. That's inevitable. You're trying to find guys whose flaws you can stomach and hide within your team concept and then for them to have strengths that benefit you.

Gallo would be a liability on defense. But at 6'10" it's a not a total "hunt him out" situation. Teams do that with guys too small to contest. Obviously teams are going to try to work Gallo on defense when he's out there, but we have a loaded all around defensive team to help compensate too.

And then from a strengths perspective, he'd be our best shooter. Among anyone on our team, he'd be the guy I most want taking a 3 to win the game. And that's a skill that we lack in our current rotation. He can also get his own offense still. He'd probably be the 3rd best guy on our team at creating his own shot.

So I have the things he does well as great compliments to our roster and the things he struggles with as manageable with the rest of our team's strengths in those areas. That, to me, is the package you're looking for in an 8th/9th man.

I’m totally on board with the signing, was only saying that you can’t waive away the D concerns. He will be a liability we have to cover for, but that’s fine,

[Andrew McCeltic]

He's a terrible fit

What? Why?

Our offense goes stagnant because defenses have zero respect for our shooters. The Heat and Warriors were content to leave us open from 3 because they didn't believe our role players would hit them with enough volume or consistency to kill them. Obviously we got by vs. MIA, but it caught up vs. GS. The percentages looked good overall, but it wasn't consistent.

Brown worsens us in that area. He's a shooter defenses have ZERO respect for. People see the 40% percentage, but he made half a three per game. He hardly shoots. Defenses don't care if you're going to make one every other game. Playing another guy like that is only going to empower defenses to play with even more pressure on the ball and to crash down into the paint even harder to blindside swipe at the ball whenever Tatum/Brown hit the paint.

You don't build a roster where everyone is good and bad at the same things. You need a complimentary roster. Brown is good at all of the things we're already good at and bad at what we struggle with. That makes him a horrible compliment to our current rotation IMO.

Right, but if he’s the best/only option available, add him to give us a surplus of great defenders and worry about complementary our defensive strengths afterwards, you still have the TPEs, you can always trade Brown for a 1st or an asset at the deadline.. Schroeder didn’t fit us either.

[Shak_Celts]

It's not that we need shooting per se, we need someone to score the ball, someone who can get their own bucket now and then (TJ if healthy Warren).

[themoneyteam2]

Jake Fischer says Gallo is Boston’s #1 option for MLE and they are also his #1 choice.

Also says someone he trusts the most says TJ Warren is at the top of the short list for Boston’s MLE as well

[hugepatsfan]

For the TPE... to get a GOOD player that any of us will be excited about, you're going to need to give up an asset most likely. Teams usually have better ways of reducing salary than just giving away a player they could get a 1st round pick for by taking back corresponding salary. And if it's NOT someone they could get a 1st for, well then it's probably someone that we'll all stick our noses up at.

Here's the thing though, you can't trade all of your future firsts away in back to back drafts. So if we give up our 2023 1st, then that means we can't trade our 2024 either until the 2023 draft is done. That means we go into the deadline not being allowed to trade a 1st until 2025. You never know what opportunity will arise. What if someone we REALLY like comes available. Look at the Murray trade to ATL... what if there's some guy we like a lot at the deadline that we'd want to give up expiring salary and 3 1st rounders for. Wouldn't it suck to not be able to make that trade because we can't deal a pick until 2025 because we traded our '23 1st for Kevin Huerter to be our backup guard? And believe me, I've been president of the Huerter fanclub.

This isn't an exciting option, but best course of action might be to just trade for someone unexciting like Terrence Ross in ORL or get JRich back from SA. Won't cost a 1st and for a reason -they're not that good. But he somewhat addresses our needs. And then at the deadline, you have his expiring salary to flip for someone you really want. Maybe there isn't a Murray caliber of player you want to give up multiple 1sts for, but there's always a Derrick White type of player to be had where you'll give up 1. And the expiring salary makes a deal work.

As exciting as it would be, it probably makes more sense to just get a stop gap type of player with the TPE over someone that costs a pick and excites us. You can always flip that stop gap with the pick at the deadline to get that type of player, but it leaves the options open for more.

[hugepatsfan]

What? Why?

Our offense goes stagnant because defenses have zero respect for our shooters. The Heat and Warriors were content to leave us open from 3 because they didn't believe our role players would hit them with enough volume or consistency to kill them. Obviously we got by vs. MIA, but it caught up vs. GS. The percentages looked good overall, but it wasn't consistent.

Brown worsens us in that area. He's a shooter defenses have ZERO respect for. People see the 40% percentage, but he made half a three per game. He hardly shoots. Defenses don't care if you're going to make one every other game. Playing another guy like that is only going to empower defenses to play with even more pressure on the ball and to crash down into the paint even harder to blindside swipe at the ball whenever Tatum/Brown hit the paint.

You don't build a roster where everyone is good and bad at the same things. You need a complimentary roster. Brown is good at all of the things we're already good at and bad at what we struggle with. That makes him a horrible compliment to our current rotation IMO.

Right, but if he’s the best/only option available, add him to give us a surplus of great defenders and worry about complementary our defensive strengths afterwards, you still have the TPEs, you can always trade Brown for a 1st or an asset at the deadline.. Schroeder didn’t fit us either.

You said he's the best player and the best fit available. I don't believe that to be the case at all. If that does become the case, then yeah I agree just get him and figure it out later.

[hugepatsfan]

It's not that we need shooting per se, we need someone to score the ball, someone who can get their own bucket now and then (TJ if healthy Warren).

To an extent. A guy like Jordan Clarkson can score, for example. But he can't shoot so he won't space the floor. So he won't help from defenses collapsing in on Tatum or Brown. Another guy who can score is going to take the ball out of Tatum/Brown's hands some, and anyone we get is going to be a worse option than them. A shooter will keep the ball in Tatum/Brown hands driving inside, but with much more room to operate.

People always talk about your stars making others better, but I'm a big fan of getting "others" who make the stars better. Shooters are going to space the floor for them and give them room to work more freely.