Mavs fix rim protection need by signing JaVale McGee to 2 yr deal

[Maverick41]

To your first point I don't believe they were interested in Hartenstein and as you stated correctly the Knicks paid him more as well. Plus he's much more of an offensive and less of a defensive center.
To this point I don't see what quality wings would be available at this price tag.
My only "issue" is the age at the end of the contract but between him, Woods, Maxi we finally have a solid big rotation and the price itself is just fine.

Well now we won't even have a chance to offer a decent contract to any wing because we busted our load too quickly on someone that has proven to not be able to play consistently in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, I think McGee can help the team especially in the RS. But at his age and for that price, I would have looked elsewhere.

[dirkules_41]

I think they probably also wanted a proven presence and somehow he actually has 3 rings so there's maybe an element of that involved as well vs unproven guys like Hartenstein (as much as me as a German would've liked another German on the Mavs).

[arkuo]

Interesting that Javale mentioned that he would be starting with Christian Wood.

C- Mcgee / Powell
PF- Wood / Kleber / Bertans
SF- DFS / Bullock / Green
SG- Dinwiddie / THJ
PG - Doncic / Hardy / Ntlinkina

[BeiBeau]

Interesting that Javale mentioned that he would be starting with Christian Wood.

C- Mcgee / Powell
PF- Wood / Kleber / Bertans
SF- DFS / Bullock / Green
SG- Dinwiddie / THJ
PG - Doncic / Hardy / Ntlinkina

I’m fine with it. Wood has above average perimeter defense.

Dwight(w/ Green?) is likely to get trade for a wing.

I also really like the Bringham kid he was a top 5 defender in college last year.

Javale is still only gonna play 20ish minutes a night though so. And THJ starts over Dinwiddie because Dinwiddie is a better creator for the 2nd unit and because THJ is a better off ball shooter. So the rotation will be more like

Luka/ Dinwiddie / Dragic
THJ/ Bullock / Dinwiddie / Hardy
DFS/ Bullock/ Traded Wing? / Green
Wood/ DFS/ Maxi/ Bertans
McGee/ Wood/ Powell/ Bingham

It’s a weird rotation because when Javale subs out everyone DFS and Wood shift down a spot and Bullock comes in. Bullock also might start over THJ.

[dirkules_41]

To your first point I don't believe they were interested in Hartenstein and as you stated correctly the Knicks paid him more as well. Plus he's much more of an offensive and less of a defensive center.
To this point I don't see what quality wings would be available at this price tag.
My only "issue" is the age at the end of the contract but between him, Woods, Maxi we finally have a solid big rotation and the price itself is just fine.

Well now we won't even have a chance to offer a decent contract to any wing because we busted our load too quickly on someone that has proven to not be able to play consistently in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, I think McGee can help the team especially in the RS. But at his age and for that price, I would have looked elsewhere.

Also he´s the lifetime Shaqtin MVP, that´s gotta be worth something.

[Maverick41]

To your first point I don't believe they were interested in Hartenstein and as you stated correctly the Knicks paid him more as well. Plus he's much more of an offensive and less of a defensive center.
To this point I don't see what quality wings would be available at this price tag.
My only "issue" is the age at the end of the contract but between him, Woods, Maxi we finally have a solid big rotation and the price itself is just fine.

Well now we won't even have a chance to offer a decent contract to any wing because we busted our load too quickly on someone that has proven to not be able to play consistently in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, I think McGee can help the team especially in the RS. But at his age and for that price, I would have looked elsewhere.

Also he´s the lifetime Shaqtin MVP, that´s gotta be worth something.

Gotta have that entertainment I guess

[Michaellam1987]

It seems our 15 player team roster is pretty much set, with THJ and McGee player non-starter minute, depending on matchup. Not bad, but still some steps away from a true championship contender. Hope we can continue to make some consolidation trade for talent upgrade.

Luka/THJ/DFS/Wood/McGee
Dragic/Dinwiddie/Bullock/Bertans/Maxi
Hardy/Ntilikina/Pinson/Green/Powell

[Maverick41]

I really prefer there to be another ball handler with Luka. If not, every team's gameplan should be to just blitz Luka and let literally anyone else dribble and make a play.

Most of these projected starting lineups are eerily similar to our starting lineups the previous 2 years before 2022. You know, the ones that were knocked out of the 1st round until we realized that multiple ball handlers is important.

[41Dirk41]

It seems our 15 player team roster is pretty much set, with THJ and McGee player non-starter minute, depending on matchup. Not bad, but still some steps away from a true championship contender. Hope we can continue to make some consolidation trade for talent upgrade.

Luka/THJ/DFS/Wood/McGee
Dragic/Dinwiddie/Bullock/Bertans/Maxi
Hardy/Ntilikina/Pinson/Green/Powell

Exactly, probably we can't contend this year too... And this is the 5th year of Luka in the league.
That's a really big shame.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Hardy is a 2nd ball handler that could be better than Brunson and Bingham is potentially a better center option than McGee and Wood combined.

That will probably be something that takes up to a year for us to see it but if Kidd is as good at coaching young guys with talent as I think he is that will be something that happens.

Of course you show patience like we have with Green and you try to develop these guys. The question is not will they but can they become top level talents? You have to gamble on talent like those 2 have and you show them the path to take. Then when they threaten to elevate and break out you recognize that is starting to happen and you take them to the next level with PT. I can see both performing at the next level sooner than later.

The team is deep so you are not forced into playing these guys every night you can bring them along slowly and give them a chance to become contributors when they earn it.

Luka Dinwiddie Frank
Bullock THJ Hardy
DFS Green Pinson
Wood Kleeber Bertans
McGee Powell Bingham

Then when you have Hardy and Bingham ready they fit in ahead of certain players. Bullock can play SF so he is able to take Green's spot when Hardy forces his way into the rotation. Kleeber and Powell are probably no where near as good as Bingham at this point in Binghams career.

If Dragic and a wing show up the thought that some have is to place Bingham at the g league or Hardy if another wing shows up. That is not wise IMO.

Seeing what Hardy and Bingham have done already makes me wonder how quickly they develop and that has me very excited for the future and yes I know what the odds say but my eyes see a different story.

Pinson is first to go if you ask me then Frank and then Green. I am assuming we wont be able to trade Powell and Bertans or both would be gone first before Pinson. These guys are the bottom of the barrel. We know they are not sufficient to play in a role more than garbage time usage. You can argue that Pinson is better than Green or Frank and I would not care. These guys are trade fodder to me. Brunson was too but he snuck one by us. You never fall in love with bottom tier guys.

Now could Hardy and or Bingham be bottom tier guys? We have not confirmed it as of yet so you have to give them minutes and see if they can hold on and perform or not. Summer league is fast approaching and both will play there. I do not have much hope that Bingham plays well in an environment where he will not get a pass as each guard will not want to pass to him since SL is ball hog league and the big positions require team effort and passing to get involved.

Now Hardy would get points from me and high praise if he were to pass to Bingham to show us what we have and he would send us a sign he is PG capable and a 2nd ball handler capable guy if he could make him look good so I think that is what we need to hope happens in SL. Not seeing that I would hope that in TC we hear that the 2 are keepers by what they do in camp and preseason. I want to see it first before I write off anyone as a scrub. The eye test so far tells me they are potential rotation pieces.

[Darren]

For the 2nd unit, I think both Powell and Bertans should be behind random guards in places of PF. I'd rather play Green, Ntilikina and Dragic.

[Darren]

Make it a 2-handler lineup instead of Dinwiddle solely running the show.

[Darren]

Powell should be brought out immediately to avoid locker room problems. So is Bertans in a year. Being a specialist, Bertans must at least hitting 50% from 3 to deserve minutes.

[Darren]

36% is unacceptable for a player who only shoot three on a bloated contract.

[dirkules_41]

Powell should be brought out immediately. So is Bertans in a year. Being a specialist, Bertans must at least hitting 50% from 3 to deserve minutes.

Sure... so you're gonna cut a player and still have his cap hold but not use him? And yes sure, how many 50% shooters from 3 existed in the last years over a full season?

[Darren]

Benching a player on expiring contract is problematic. I'd rather let Powell play elsewhere.

[deb]

Hardy is a 2nd ball handler that could be better than Brunson and Bingham is potentially a better center option than McGee and Wood combined.

That will probably be something that takes up to a year for us to see it but if Kidd is as good at coaching young guys with talent as I think he is that will be something that happens.

Of course you show patience like we have with Green and you try to develop these guys. The question is not will they but can they become top level talents? You have to gamble on talent like those 2 have and you show them the path to take. Then when they threaten to elevate and break out you recognize that is starting to happen and you take them to the next level with PT. I can see both performing at the next level sooner than later.

The team is deep so you are not forced into playing these guys every night you can bring them along slowly and give them a chance to become contributors when they earn it.

Luka Dinwiddie Frank
Bullock THJ Hardy
DFS Green Pinson
Wood Kleeber Bertans
McGee Powell Bingham

Then when you have Hardy and Bingham ready they fit in ahead of certain players. Bullock can play SF so he is able to take Green's spot when Hardy forces his way into the rotation. Kleeber and Powell are probably no where near as good as Bingham at this point in Binghams career.

If Dragic and a wing show up the thought that some have is to place Bingham at the g league or Hardy if another wing shows up. That is not wise IMO.

Seeing what Hardy and Bingham have done already makes me wonder how quickly they develop and that has me very excited for the future and yes I know what the odds say but my eyes see a different story.

Pinson is first to go if you ask me then Frank and then Green. I am assuming we wont be able to trade Powell and Bertans or both would be gone first before Pinson. These guys are the bottom of the barrel. We know they are not sufficient to play in a role more than garbage time usage. You can argue that Pinson is better than Green or Frank and I would not care. These guys are trade fodder to me. Brunson was too but he snuck one by us. You never fall in love with bottom tier guys.

Now could Hardy and or Bingham be bottom tier guys? We have not confirmed it as of yet so you have to give them minutes and see if they can hold on and perform or not. Summer league is fast approaching and both will play there. I do not have much hope that Bingham plays well in an environment where he will not get a pass as each guard will not want to pass to him since SL is ball hog league and the big positions require team effort and passing to get involved.

Now Hardy would get points from me and high praise if he were to pass to Bingham to show us what we have and he would send us a sign he is PG capable and a 2nd ball handler capable guy if he could make him look good so I think that is what we need to hope happens in SL. Not seeing that I would hope that in TC we hear that the 2 are keepers by what they do in camp and preseason. I want to see it first before I write off anyone as a scrub. The eye test so far tells me they are potential rotation pieces.

Yeah, way to early to form an opinion on rooks, hopefully they turn into something down the line, but wouldn't hold my breath. If you want to compete, and the mavs must, you have to sign better players than that and only give minutes to rooks if they earn it in practice. There's no time to tank. Dragić is a proven leader and scorer and I would 100% sign him and play him over the guy that shot below 40% in the g league... Bingham jr. barely played in the NCAA, averaged 18 mpg as a senior, went undrafted, I'd seriously hold my horses....

I think as an expiring, Powell has a bit of value, Bertans has none.

[Darren]

The only pure shooter on boat contract in recent memory is Korver.

[41Dirk41]

Dragic for the min would be a fantastic move.

[dirkules_41]

Benching a player on expiring contract is problematic. I'd rather let Powell play elsewhere.

Mavs mangement likes Powell, he won't be benched or cut. He'll play or be traded.