Leaguewide Offseason Transactions Discussion

Post #621 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:15 pm

HEZI wrote:Looking at what Bobby Portis got man how many wish we still had Bobby instead of Randle? I do

Folks treated Bobby like trash and he was the best of the forwards we had. He’s making half as much as what we signed Brunson for but equally as good. Oof

If Bobby Portis had to do what the Knicks needed Randle to do the Knicks would have been looking at a couple top 3 picks. Hey wait...that may have been the better choice after all? :lol:

sol537 · Post #622 » by **sol537** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:15 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:I've thought about the Gobert deal for the last hour, and I still can't process it in my mind.

This is a throwback elite defense / no offense center who is 30 years old, has 4/$170M left on his deal, and was literally unplayable in multiple years of the playoffs. Not afraid to admit I was under the impression that he was a net negative asset.

Ainge got five (5!) 1st rounders for him, including 4 unprotected.

This has nothing to do with my favorite team, yet I am sitting here STUNNED. It's unfathomable. Wow.

Minny was bidding against nobody... Gobert didn't have net negative value... would probably take one or two picks and some decent players in return but what they got instead... wow. Like 3-4 picks too many! Crazy.

Juggynaut · Post #623 » by **Juggynaut** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:15 pm

I'm gonna be crying if the Nets get less than a Rudy Gobert trade. :lol:

Chislic · Post #624 » by **Chislic** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:16 pm

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Gravy · Post #625 » by **Gravy** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:19 pm

Monk1718 wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

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He is a bird at least he got that right

Could be giving a sign he's going to the Pelicans or Hawks

Knox · Post #626 » by **Knox** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:21 pm

Gravy wrote:
Monk1718 wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

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He is a bird at least he got that right

Could be giving a sign he's going to the Pelicans or Hawks

Nah he wants to be traded for his bird rights lol jk

Spree2Houston · Post #627 » by **Spree2Houston** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:22 pm

god shammgod wrote:

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Julius Randle and 3 picks. Get it done Donnie!!!!

sol537 · Post #628 » by **sol537** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:24 pm

Randle, RJ, and all the picks lolol

ezmoney707 · Post #629 » by **ezmoney707** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:26 pm

Chislic wrote:

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Honestly I wouldn’t touch Mitchell with what they just got back for Rudy , but I don’t see how Mitchell doesn’t ask out or Ainge is set on building around Mitchell when the pieces he’s added say’s otherwise. Trading players he enjoys playing with in addition to trading away a player he doesn’t, sounds like a team that’s looking to tear it all down.

Jeffrey · Post #630 » by **Jeffrey** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:30 pm

god shammgod wrote:

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After what Ainge got for Rudy Gobert.... Marks might want to rethink that.... at least 5 unprotected FRPs. I don't think yo can go out that far.

god shammgod · Post #631 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:36 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
god shammgod wrote:

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After what Ainge got for Rudy Gobert.... Marks might want to rethink that.... at least 5 unprotected FRPs. I don't think yo can go out that far.

they didn't get a young star back though. i don't think the nets really want to rebuild all the way from scratch. they got a building to fill and it's not easy for them to fill it even when they're good.

Jeffrey · Post #632 » by **Jeffrey** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:36 pm

Someone needs to send a NYK memo to Leon Rose to never talk to Danny Ainge.

Big Chan · Post #633 » by **Big Chan** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:40 pm

Nets don’t own any of their picks, they have to get real players and stay relatively competitive or they will be handing top 5 picks to Houston for 5 years.

Post #634 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:44 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
god shammgod wrote:

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After what Ainge got for Rudy Gobert.... Marks might want to rethink that.... at least 5 unprotected FRPs. I don't think yo can go out that far.

they didn't get a young star back though. i don't think the nets really want to rebuild all the way from scratch. they got a building to fill and it's not easy for them to fill it even when they're good.

He's going back to the Thunder. SGA and picks. Done. And I cry my little heart out.

KOA · Post #635 » by **KOA** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:47 pm

Phoenix can create a trade centered around Mikal Bridges and picks for KD. Don’t think that’s fair, but Brooklyn doesn’t have that many options

KnicksGadfly · Post #636 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:50 pm

moocow007 wrote:
HEZI wrote:Looking at what Bobby Portis got man how many wish we still had Bobby instead of Randle? I do

Folks treated Bobby like trash and he was the best of the forwards we had. He’s making half as much as what we signed Brunson for but equally as good. Oof

If Bobby Portis had to do what the Knicks needed Randle to do the Knicks would have been looking at a couple top 3 picks. Hey wait...that may have been the better choice after all?

Well, if Bobby Portis tried to do what Randle did last year, he'd be on the street right now and looking at a minimum contract. Oh, you're not talking about Bobby Portis copying Randle's attitude, are you? But you know that's not Portis' game, so it's not like Thibs would give him the ball and ask him to create. Rather, what Portis would give the Knicks in this scenario, presumably we max him out so that we have no choice but to put up with his poor attitude and lackadaisical defense, is much better floor spacing, much more efficient scoring, rebounding, and a lot less onball creation. Probably more toughness and less turnovers. Probably much deserved blame if he was putting in terrible work after he was maxed out, a season after showing great leadership, mental strength, and defense.

I think this is a terrible argument because if we replaced Randle, the ball probably would have been distributed elsewhere...presumably RJ, Burks, and IQ would step up more in that scenario since everyone else got hurt. In all honesty, it'd look ugly, but it probably would have been better for New York, and the fans would never question if they were giving full effort. It would also force Thibs to be more creative or he would play a really nasty grind it out version of basketball to try and limit turnovers.

Now let's say Randle was gone. No Portis. Obi Toppin probably would have started and his skillset is really different. Obi runs more, moves without the ball more, is not as great as a rebounder, is more athletic and is not as good as an offensive hub. Thibs also has less of a leash for him, so he might have gotten benched for Taj a ton. There might be some upside on offense there, since Obi has some chemistry with RJ and IQ, but still, it would be growing pains.

Would the lack of Randle would have caused the Knicks to drop from the 11th pick to a top 3 pick? That was one of your arguments, right? The Knicks won 37 games. OKC, with the 4th worst record, won 24. No way Randle was responsible for that swing or for the Knicks winning 13 more games. He had his worst offensive NBA season ever, a really bad +/-, bad defense, bad leadership, technicals that didn't need to happen, etc. Would the Knicks lose more in this scenario if we lost Randle and had to shunt possessions onto the other players on the roster. I really doubt it. Dude had a quite a **** season. Like I said, just cause Obi all of a sudden replaces Randle doesn't mean that Obi would all of a sudden gain Randle's possessions. Someone else would take over.

Guano · Post #637 » by **Guano** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:52 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:

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Evan is staying folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@MELO!!!!!!!!!!!

god shammgod · Post #638 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:53 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
After what Ainge got for Rudy Gobert.... Marks might want to rethink that.... at least 5 unprotected FRPs. I don't think yo can go out that far.

they didn't get a young star back though. i don't think the nets really want to rebuild all the way from scratch. they got a building to fill and it's not easy for them to fill it even when they're good.

He's going back to the Thunder. SGA and picks. Done. And I cry my little heart out.

i think the pelicans make the most sense from the young star perspective. ingram is young not quite kd and could satisfy the nets. him and ben simmons is a nice little young star pairing. and if zion is healthy...zion, durant, cj is pretty damn good.

but he'll probably go to the suns because players like him usually get what they want

Post #639 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:00 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
they didn't get a young star back though. i don't think the nets really want to rebuild all the way from scratch. they got a building to fill and it's not easy for them to fill it even when they're good.

He's going back to the Thunder. SGA and picks. Done. And I cry my little heart out.

i think the pelicans make the most sense from the young star perspective. ingram is young not quite kd and could satisfy the nets. him and ben simmons is a nice little young star pairing. and if zion is healthy...zion, durant, cj is pretty damn good.

but he'll probably go to the suns because players like him usually get what they want

Pels make some sense.

HEZI · Post #640 » by **HEZI** » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:02 pm

moocow007 wrote:
HEZI wrote:Looking at what Bobby Portis got man how many wish we still had Bobby instead of Randle? I do

Folks treated Bobby like trash and he was the best of the forwards we had. He’s making half as much as what we signed Brunson for but equally as good. Oof

If Bobby Portis had to do what the Knicks needed Randle to do the Knicks would have been looking at a couple top 3 picks. Hey wait...that may have been the better choice after all?

Had to do? No Randle chooses to be a selfish black hole the Knicks don’t need him to be