Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[dckingsfan]

I mean, if the Dem party would get off their septegenarian butt and actually do something, like go on a whirlwind nationwide tour focusing like a laser on abortion, maybe I'd be less pessimistic. I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, agreed - don't hold your breath, they just don't have the energy. This isn't going to end well.

We aren't prepping ourselves for climate change - even resilience. That is going to tax the grid... that alone will be ugly.

We have no plan for getting off of a basically sole reliance on fossil fuels - assume a roller coaster on costs.

We have no plan for our debt. That will be ugly.

We have no plan for our healthcare system - we are woefully short nurses with no plan.

Our population is aging - we have no plan for immigration.

The other social issues of abortion, gun control, racism, etc. will be the least of our problems.

Best to just not think about it...

[popper]

I mean, if the Dem party would get off their septegenarian butt and actually do something, like go on a whirlwind nationwide tour focusing like a laser on abortion, maybe I'd be less pessimistic. I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, agreed - don't hold your breath, they just don't have the energy. This isn't going to end well.

We aren't prepping ourselves for climate change - even resilience. That is going to tax the grid... that alone will be ugly.

We have no plan for getting off of a basically sole reliance on fossil fuels - assume a roller coaster on costs.

We have no plan for our debt. That will be ugly.

We have no plan for our healthcare system - we are woefully short nurses with no plan.

Our population is aging - we have no plan for immigration.

The other social issues of abortion, gun control, racism, etc. will be the least of our problems.

Best to just not think about it...

This is almost exactly my read on the state of the union. It's depressing. "Where there is no vision, the people perish"

There doesn't seem to be a single problem solver on either side of the aisle. Or maybe there is and those individuals get subsumed by the system.

[dckingsfan]

I mean, if the Dem party would get off their septegenarian butt and actually do something, like go on a whirlwind nationwide tour focusing like a laser on abortion, maybe I'd be less pessimistic. I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, agreed - don't hold your breath, they just don't have the energy. This isn't going to end well.

We aren't prepping ourselves for climate change - even resilience. That is going to tax the grid... that alone will be ugly.

We have no plan for getting off of a basically sole reliance on fossil fuels - assume a roller coaster on costs.

We have no plan for our debt. That will be ugly.

We have no plan for our healthcare system - we are woefully short nurses with no plan.

Our population is aging - we have no plan for immigration.

The other social issues of abortion, gun control, racism, etc. will be the least of our problems.

Best to just not think about it...

This is almost exactly my read on the state of the union. It's depressing. "Where there is no vision, the people perish"

There doesn't seem to be a single problem solver on either side of the aisle. Or maybe there is and those individuals get subsumed by the system.

They are there - they are just blocked by McConnell and company.

[popper]

Yeah, agreed - don't hold your breath, they just don't have the energy. This isn't going to end well.

We aren't prepping ourselves for climate change - even resilience. That is going to tax the grid... that alone will be ugly.

We have no plan for getting off of a basically sole reliance on fossil fuels - assume a roller coaster on costs.

We have no plan for our debt. That will be ugly.

We have no plan for our healthcare system - we are woefully short nurses with no plan.

Our population is aging - we have no plan for immigration.

The other social issues of abortion, gun control, racism, etc. will be the least of our problems.

Best to just not think about it...

This is almost exactly my read on the state of the union. It's depressing. "Where there is no vision, the people perish"

There doesn't seem to be a single problem solver on either side of the aisle. Or maybe there is and those individuals get subsumed by the system.

They are there - they are just blocked by McConnell and company.

To an extent that's true. But your letting D's completely off the hook when they need zero R votes for what's allowable under reconciliation.

[Zonkerbl]

They don't even need to pass legislation right now. Just orchestrate a nationwide series of pro-choice protests from now until November and then DON'T STOP. Keep going until 2024 and 2026 and 2028 until we get the SCOTUS either eliminated or reformed.

They were SUPPOSED to do this for Floyd and they chickened out

[dckingsfan]

This is almost exactly my read on the state of the union. It's depressing. "Where there is no vision, the people perish"

There doesn't seem to be a single problem solver on either side of the aisle. Or maybe there is and those individuals get subsumed by the system.

They are there - they are just blocked by McConnell and company.

To an extent that's true. But your letting D's completely off the hook when they need zero R votes for what's allowable under reconciliation.

Near to 100%. Even if they get a bill through it will be knocked down by SCOTUS. And please - Manchin is an R in Ds clothing.

Rs vote 100% as a block to do nothing. And everyone has paid and will continue to pay. Think the 6.5T for the Bush forever wars is expensive. That is going to be a rounding error on not fixing the grid and doing climate change resilience.

There is zero chance the Ds can change this by themselves. None.

[dobrojim]

Underlying GOP rule is corruption on a scale which many historians feel
is unprecedented in our nation’s history. And the majority of the GOP
voters think both parties are the same. GOP corruption has been widely
tolerated (by elected members and their voters) so as to become a feature
as opposed to a bug.

[popper]

They are there - they are just blocked by McConnell and company.

To an extent that's true. But your letting D's completely off the hook when they need zero R votes for what's allowable under reconciliation.

Near to 100%. Even if they get a bill through it will be knocked down by SCOTUS. And please - Manchin is an R in Ds clothing.

Rs vote 100% as a block to do nothing. And everyone has paid and will continue to pay. Think the 6.5T for the Bush forever wars is expensive. That is going to be a rounding error on not fixing the grid and doing climate change resilience.

There is zero chance the Ds can change this by themselves. None.

For the moment that appears to be the case (D's can't do this by themselves). They couldn't do infrastructure or gun control legislation by themselves either. So, the only option left is compromise. Sort of the way our government was designed to work (with the exception of reconciliation). Why don't we continue to try that, and then keep at it with a positive and indefatigable attitude until we prevail?

[dckingsfan]

To an extent that's true. But your letting D's completely off the hook when they need zero R votes for what's allowable under reconciliation.

Near to 100%. Even if they get a bill through it will be knocked down by SCOTUS. And please - Manchin is an R in Ds clothing.

Rs vote 100% as a block to do nothing. And everyone has paid and will continue to pay. Think the 6.5T for the Bush forever wars is expensive. That is going to be a rounding error on not fixing the grid and doing climate change resilience.

There is zero chance the Ds can change this by themselves. None.

For the moment that appears to be the case (D's can't do this by themselves). They couldn't do infrastructure or gun control legislation by themselves either. So, the only option left is compromise. Sort of the way our government was designed to work (with the exception of reconciliation). Why don't we continue to try that, and then keep at it with a positive and indefatigable attitude until we prevail?

They don't compromise. There is no path forward unless the Rs come up with a majority vote. And their majority vote is to do nothing (other than tax cuts and wars).

From a R party perspective - doing nothing is positive. And that is where we will be for the foreseeable future.

[dckingsfan]

Underlying GOP rule is corruption on a scale which many historians feel is unprecedented in our nation’s history. And the majority of the GOP voters think both parties are the same. GOP corruption has been widely tolerated so as to become a feature as opposed to a bug.

Something else to be positive about if you are in the GOP - suckers believe the both sides story.

[Zonkerbl]

Holy crap imagine if the entire right wing propaganda machine staked their entire defense on the Trump lunge not being true - but there's video evidence that it was???

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[Kanyewest]

Holy crap imagine if the entire right wing propaganda machine staked their entire defense on the Trump lunge not being true - but there's video evidence that it was???

Read on Twitter

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Read on Twitter

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Maybe Trump was lunging at the wheel because he was excited when YMCA and Tiny Dancer were playing.

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[Zonkerbl]

Full disclosure, I don't see anything

[popper]

I wish I had a way to instill some joy and hope in the those on this thread who are depressed and see no positive news on the horizon. My limited study of history suggests the human spirit is quite resilient and in many cases, indomitable. Things look bleak at the moment but I'm confident we'll muddle through it.

[Zonkerbl]

Easy for you to say :p

[Zonkerbl]

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

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[dckingsfan]

I wish I had a way to instill some joy and hope in the those on this thread who are depressed and see no positive news on the horizon. My limited study of history suggests the human spirit is quite resilient and in many cases, indomitable. Things look bleak at the moment but I'm confident we'll muddle through it.

Read some Admiral Jim Stockdale - don't be an optimist if you want to survive - be a realist.

And don't equate realism for pessimism. History is full of those that thought they would muddle through - until they didn't.

[Zonkerbl]

The way to survive is to know you could die at any second. To fight for your next breath like it will be your last.

[popper]

I wish I had a way to instill some joy and hope in the those on this thread who are depressed and see no positive news on the horizon. My limited study of history suggests the human spirit is quite resilient and in many cases, indomitable. Things look bleak at the moment but I'm confident we'll muddle through it.

Read some Admiral Jim Stockdale - don't be an optimist if you want to survive - be a realist.

And don't equate realism for pessimism. History is full of those that thought they would muddle through - until they didn't.

Okay. Taking gas pipe now. It's been nice knowing you guys.

[Zonkerbl]

Cockroaches survive. That's a mean thing to say, imo.