Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal

[Frank Nova]

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This move in general hasn’t been talked about positively enough yet. Ingles is smart and tough and he’s well known to talk a lot of ****. He’s an older player coming off major knee surgery but he’s still only 8yrs in the league so he’s realistically a younger 35yr old. His game is much more predicated off IQ than explosive athleticism. He just needs to be able to still hold his own on defense and move laterally. He’s a knock down shooter when he’s open and a good facilitator with the ball. I’d be way more excited if we were getting the Jingles from 2yrs ago but we couldn’t afford him then either. This will give him a chance to slowly play his way back into top form. This will look golden around March next year…. Disclaimer being that Jingles was brought in to trade and not be a rotational player.. lol. I don’t think that’s the case tho. I think Horst looked at the low risk and high reward and it just made sense.

[RRyder823]

Horst is *fine*.

Giannis landed Bobby, and who knows Bud's role in identifying Brook/Pat. Jrue and Tucker were signature moves indicative of a GM going all-in.

So is the Semi and Hood signings indicative of a GM going all in? Or was it the Ibaka signing?

wtf are you even arguing? That you don't think Horst went "all in"?

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[Prez]

But obviously those guys don't matter if Middleton is hurt. Middleton being hurt is why they lost this year I am told.

This logic makes no sense, and we can go the other way here and say Giannis and Khris didn't win a title for years until they got those support players that Horst put around them.

I'm not even a huge Horst fan but to not give him any credit at all for this stuff is absurd.

Or they didn't win a title because Giannis hadn't fully developed his game yet.

Gotcha. So it's all Giannis/Khris, and none of the other 5 key guys to our title mattered. But of course the signings that didn't work, those totally matter and should be held against Horst. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

[slappyg]

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[emunney]

I don't know how Indiana values Turner but something based around brook and a pick or two doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility if they are set on moving on.

Feel like it'd be pretty savvy for Utah to flip like a third of the Rudy package for him.

[emunney]

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[skbucks1985]

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This move in general hasn’t been talked about positively enough yet. Ingles is smart and tough and he’s well known to talk a lot of ****. He’s an older player coming off major knee surgery but he’s still only 8yrs in the league so he’s realistically a younger 35yr old. His game is much more predicated off IQ than explosive athleticism. He just needs to be able to still hold his own on defense and move laterally. He’s a knock down shooter when he’s open and a good facilitator with the ball. I’d be way more excited if we were getting the Jingles from 2yrs ago but we couldn’t afford him then either. This will give him a chance to slowly play his way back into top form. This will look golden around March next year…. Disclaimer being that Jingles was brought in to trade and not be a rotational player.. lol. I don’t think that’s the case tho. I think Horst looked at the low risk and high reward and it just made sense.

I'm guessing the team is open to all the possibilities with Ingles. If its not working out they'll be open to trade him and obviously if he's playing well they'll keep him. I have no sense of what the baseline expectations for him are or how patient they'll be with his availability before looking to move on especially since there's a decent chance he won't play a game before the trade deadline.

[Coach Carter]

I've watched at least 9 minutes of netball and my questions are only multiplying.

Try teaching it, had to pull out the phone but for the most part, wing it.

[DrWood]

Hopefully, the Bucks kick the tires on Eric Paschall.

I dunno. He doesn't do anything really well. He's fine to soak up minutes on a bad team.

[BigO]

id agree thats the boards assessment on why we lost that series however certainly not mine. statistacally our defense was better than average but our 101 Ortg and .494 TS% was brutal. your solution like others to demand historically good defense as a solution to overcome historically bad offense is not a solution im interested in.

id prefer next year to have decent defense like we had against boston combined with a much better effort offensively. certainly we can look at how many 3's we gave up with that shorthanded roster but reshaping the lineup with that in mind seems like a bad strategy considering how close we came to knocking boston out. in fact next year if we brought in more defense at the expense of offense id expect to lose worse.

so bring in some guys who know how to put the ball in the hoop. tweak the defensive gameplan. thats my offseason

You are underestimating Boston's defense. In the playoffs, games are usually won on defense. I'm not sure who you want to bring in, but if it's more guys like Allen, then you're giving even more up on the defensive end.

Boston had a great run, despite having just two good offensive players. They did it on defense. There's a lot of ways to get the job done.

i get it. your solution for the boston series was to figure out how to win games scoring 90 points. i get it. thats clear so we can move past that.

imo our defense is fine and in that series it was fine too. sure they had their episodes but generally we rocked their ****. read some boston threads after not 1 or 2 but 3 games and youll see that. either way the numbers over 7 games show we did enough to win that series on the defensive side and they show that clearly. moving forward id like a different solution to beat boston. perhaps even to use the solution that actually beat them which is be better on offense. imo we need an offensive gameplan that utilizes something besides giannis as a cannonball. when middleton is healthy we have plan b but we need guys that can go beyond that whether hes right next time or not.

as posters were not a good match to respond to each others posts so perhaps if you disagree it would be best just to pass on an and1 here at leave it at that. whatcha think?

Peace.

[Dick Tate]

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This move in general hasn’t been talked about positively enough yet. Ingles is smart and tough and he’s well known to talk a lot of ****. He’s an older player coming off major knee surgery but he’s still only 8yrs in the league so he’s realistically a younger 35yr old. His game is much more predicated off IQ than explosive athleticism. He just needs to be able to still hold his own on defense and move laterally. He’s a knock down shooter when he’s open and a good facilitator with the ball. I’d be way more excited if we were getting the Jingles from 2yrs ago but we couldn’t afford him then either. This will give him a chance to slowly play his way back into top form. This will look golden around March next year…. Disclaimer being that Jingles was brought in to trade and not be a rotational player.. lol. I don’t think that’s the case tho. I think Horst looked at the low risk and high reward and it just made sense.

I sure hope he looks golden by March. A lack of enthusiasm is understandable though since he had ACL surgery Feb 23rd and may not even be ready for game time before March. And since it's only a 1-yr deal, the intent may be to trade him by the deadline and he never ends up playing a minute for the Bucks.

[WRau1]

SAC is still looking for a vet C, Lopez + Hill for Barnes works financially.

[randy84]

This logic makes no sense, and we can go the other way here and say Giannis and Khris didn't win a title for years until they got those support players that Horst put around them.

I'm not even a huge Horst fan but to not give him any credit at all for this stuff is absurd.

Or they didn't win a title because Giannis hadn't fully developed his game yet.

Gotcha. So it's all Giannis/Khris, and none of the other 5 key guys to our title mattered. But of course the signings that didn't work, those totally matter and should be held against Horst. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

I wasn't asking any one to agree. I was just making a statement.

[htr]

Is the thought that rose for Grayson hill and a pair of seconds gets us rose?? I really want that now….

[htr]

Also, would the board have preferred jalen smith to ingles on the same or similar deal?

[FlagsFlyForever]

Gotcha. So it's all Giannis/Khris, and none of the other 5 key guys to our title mattered. But of course the signings that didn't work, those totally matter and should be held against Horst. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

I wasn't asking any one to agree. I was just making a statement.

The Bucks have been incredibly successful under Horst. Of course, he has benefited greatly from 1) inheriting Giannis and Middleton, and 2) having owners who allow him to operate with one of the highest payrolls in the league.

But to call Horst one of the worst GMs in the league? Look at the other GMs and the moves they make that cripple their franchise. Look at Rob Pelinka bringing Westbrook into a contender. That's a move you can feel confident knowing the analytically-minded Horst would never make.

Horst deserves credit for building a place where Giannis wants to stay. Giannis himself has praised Horst heavily. You can't take for granted that Giannis would be here no matter who was in charge. Horst also deserves credit for finding a lot of key contributing players on below market value contracts like Brook, Connaughton, Portis, and Grayson. Look at teams like Washington, Sacramento, New York, Orlando, and Charlotte. This is the class you're putting Horst in with?

Horst has been here five years and hasn't made a major mistake. Perhaps for a team in the position the Bucks are in, that's the best asset a GM can have. The Bucks don't have any anchor contracts that hold the team back. When he makes a mistake, it's minor. Like signing Ojeleye to a minimum contract the year he had the worst season of his career or whiffing on a late draft pick.

Horst built a team around a superstar that has been capable of winning the championship for the past several seasons. That's something that can't be said about other GMs with superstars like Sam Presti, Sean Marks, Lawrence Frank, Calvin Booth, or Nico Harrison.

Is Horst one of the best GMs in the league? I don't think anybody has ever said that and it would be impossible to place him in that class as long as Giannis is here. But I think he's done enough to show he's not one of the worst in the league like you say.

[Rstuedes24]

Really hoping we see a needle moving trade upgrading the guard rotation

[SupremeHustle]

Also, would the board have preferred jalen smith to ingles on the same or similar deal?

Nah. Too young and not enough injuries yet. And probably too available to actually play.

[benultimate]

Hard to Pick N Roll in street clothes, Joe

[SupremeHustle]

Really hoping we see a needle moving trade upgrading the guard rotation

Me too. I could see the Bucks kicking the tires on Jeremy Lamb or Satoransky or however you spell it.