What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations)

D21 · Post #241 » by **D21** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 12:58 am

What I don't like is that we are missing some very good contracts like Payton at less than 10M (but it would have require to trade Huerter for only a pick for example, or, something we could do by paying some Tax: DiVincenzo for 2years/9.3M !
I hope that the players we got with the Huerter trade will have the same kind of impact that these two guys can have

I'm afraid of one thing: Delon and Gallo had a positive impact most of time, the team was good when there were playing, and I'm not sure at all that our bench for next season will be at the level of the last season.

Reminder:
ATL bench were 9th in the league at Efficiency difference (+3) with opponents
ATL starters were 19th in the league (-1.3)

and the GSW, NBA champions, had the... 1st bench of the league

myrak433 · Post #242 » by **myrak433** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:38 am

D21 wrote:What I don't like is that we are missing some very good contracts like Payton at less than 10M (but it would have require to trade Huerter for only a pick for example, or, something we could do by paying some Tax: DiVincenzo for 2years/9.3M !
I hope that the players we got with the Huerter trade will have the same kind of impact that these two guys can have

I'm afraid of one thing: Delon and Gallo had a positive impact most of time, the team was good when there were playing, and I'm not sure at all that our bench for next season will be at the level of the last season.

Reminder:
ATL bench were 9th in the league at Efficiency difference (+3) with opponents
ATL starters were 19th in the league (-1.3)

and the GSW, NBA champions, had the... 1st bench of the league

I don’t believe that the Hawks are done. But if they are this is how I see it. The bench was better last season than this season with the loss of Gallo. I believe the Holiday brothers can somewhat replicate what delon wright brought to the table. We still have Bogi, we still have Big O. And maybe Jalen Johnson my step up some.

Now the starting five is considerable better (my opinion) same startes minus Huerter and add Murray.

Post #243 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:41 am

raleigh wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:That KH trade is rough. We didn't even get back a starter.

Kevin didn't play like a starter with any consistency, was about to have a big extension kick in, and just had his minutes reduced because a far superior player was acquired.

What were you expecting?

Trading a rotation player on a value contract for a rotation player on a value contract...not NBA vagabonds and career backups.

CP War Hawks · Post #244 » by **CP War Hawks** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:57 am

saloonyk8 wrote:Very unlikely to be a lottery pick...

It's all about the tax, they saved $4M. The Kings need to make the playoffs in 24, 25, or 26. Or it's 2 second

lottery-protected in 2024, top-12 in 2025, top-10 in 2026 and then turns into two seconds if it hasn’t conveyed yet.

It's more likely to convey than not. Sac will be a bottom 5 team, they didn't really add anything in the offseason to move the needle up. They'll get a good player in a quality 2023 draft to raise their floor. The play in incentives them not to blatantly tank at the end of the season.

Post #245 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:59 am

saloonyk8 wrote:So is it just me or anyone else bummed out?

Does anyone else think this move had nothing to do with basketball... It's just a nice to cut under the luxury tax. Why the heck are we trading 2027 unprotected picks if we're so freaking scared of paying the tax... SMH

I hate to see KH leave. He was my favprite current Hawks player.

But this feels like a precursor to a later move. Restocking those draft picks for a run at....

jayu70 · Post #246 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 2:20 am

saloonyk8 wrote:Very unlikely to be a lottery pick...

It's all about the tax, they saved $4M. The Kings need to make the playoffs in 24, 25, or 26. Or it's 2 second

lottery-protected in 2024, top-12 in 2025, top-10 in 2026 and then turns into two seconds if it hasn’t conveyed yet.

Yes they saved money on this trade, but Griffin's money and Jock Landale, Coopers cap hold all make up the difference....so we are still over the Tax.

jayu70 · Post #247 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 2:24 am

D21 wrote:What I don't like is that we are missing some very good contracts like Payton at less than 10M (but it would have require to trade Huerter for only a pick for example, or, something we could do by paying some Tax: DiVincenzo for 2years/9.3M !

Even if we traded Huerter for no money back, we wouldn't have capspace to offer either of these players a free agent deal. Since we are over the Luxury Tax all we have is the Tax MLE of $6.3 million to offer a FA, that's it.

CP War Hawks · Post #248 » by **CP War Hawks** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:27 am

I really like Holiday backing up the sf spot. Huerter is better and younger overall but Holiday is the superior defender, better moving off ball, similar shooting splits. He made himself into a 3&D wing from his days of being a Hawks almost 10yrs ago. We just need 20 mins of heady play (pause) to help spell Hunter.

I think what's next is we run it back with Bogi and Collins. The value is not where it needs to be, and we can explore deadline deals. Collins could be having a career year with this group and we can take it from there.

D21 · Post #249 » by **D21** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:23 am

jayu70 wrote:
D21 wrote:What I don't like is that we are missing some very good contracts like Payton at less than 10M (but it would have require to trade Huerter for only a pick for example, or, something we could do by paying some Tax: DiVincenzo for 2years/9.3M !

Even if we traded Huerter for no money back, we wouldn't have capspace to offer either of these players a free agent deal. Since we are over the Luxury Tax all we have is the Tax MLE of $6.3 million to offer a FA, that's it.

For Payton, yes, but for DiVincenzo, I disagree with that Jayu:
- even with the current trade of Huerter, the Tax MLE of 6.3M is enough DiVincenzo as the first year will be around 4.6M
- if Huerter had been traded for a pick only, and adding Aaron Holiday, Griffin, cap hold for Cooper and even Mays, we have been at a bit more than 143M, so enough to offer DiVicenzo the same contract and still be under the Tax threshold of 150M

jayu70 · Post #250 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:52 am

D21 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
D21 wrote:What I don't like is that we are missing some very good contracts like Payton at less than 10M (but it would have require to trade Huerter for only a pick for example, or, something we could do by paying some Tax: DiVincenzo for 2years/9.3M !

Even if we traded Huerter for no money back, we wouldn't have capspace to offer either of these players a free agent deal. Since we are over the Luxury Tax all we have is the Tax MLE of $6.3 million to offer a FA, that's it.

For Payton, yes, but for DiVincenzo, I disagree with that Jayu:
- even with the current trade of Huerter, the Tax MLE of 6.3M is enough DiVincenzo as the first year will be around 4.6M
- if Huerter had been traded for a pick only, and adding Aaron Holiday, Griffin, cap hold for Cooper and even Mays, we have been at a bit more than 143M, so enough to offer DiVicenzo the same contract and still be under the Tax threshold of 150M

You are correct regarding DDV, I read his new contract amount incorrectly.

Post #251 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:14 pm

Oh, boy...

Read on Twitter

Spoiler:

jayu70 · Post #252 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:01 pm

We are now under the Luxury Tax.

raleigh · Post #253 » by **raleigh** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:08 pm

jayu70 wrote:We are now under the Luxury Tax.

Way too early in the season to be worried about that. The Hawks have until February to get under.

jayu70 · Post #254 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:55 pm

raleigh wrote:
jayu70 wrote:We are now under the Luxury Tax.

Way too early in the season to be worried about that. The Hawks have until February to get under.

It matters now for executing trades and FA Signings.

D21 · Post #255 » by **D21** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 11:03 pm

jayu70 wrote:
raleigh wrote:
jayu70 wrote:We are now under the Luxury Tax.

Way too early in the season to be worried about that. The Hawks have until February to get under.

It matters now for executing trades and FA Signings.

For small salaries only. Once it's about contract like John or Clint, it doesn't change anything, it's the same 125% + 100k limit for under or over the Tax threshold

raleigh · Post #256 » by **raleigh** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:41 pm

I'm of the opinion that the Hawks are done except for value deals or a blockbuster trade that falls into their lap.

They'll worry about the luxury tax once they have a better idea of how good this new configuration is.

jayu70 · Post #257 » by **jayu70** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 3:26 pm

D21 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
raleigh wrote:
Way too early in the season to be worried about that. The Hawks have until February to get under.

It matters now for executing trades and FA Signings.

For small salaries only. Once it's about contract like John or Clint, it doesn't change anything, it's the same 125% + 100k limit for under or over the Tax threshold

It also makes a difference between using the TMLE of $6.3 or the MLE of $10.2

D21 · Post #258 » by **D21** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 4:32 pm

jayu70 wrote:
D21 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:It matters now for executing trades and FA Signings.

For small salaries only. Once it's about contract like John or Clint, it doesn't change anything, it's the same 125% + 100k limit for under or over the Tax threshold

It also makes a difference between using the TMLE of $6.3 or the MLE of $10.2

I had trades in mind only, but that's right :wink:

CP War Hawks · Post #259 » by **CP War Hawks** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 4:40 pm

I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal. The roster is missing that 3rd scorer to compliment Trae and DJM. If you trade Collins, he's a good stop gap at the 4.

Trae - DJM - AH
DJM - Bogi
Hunter - JH - TJW
Collins - TJW - JJ
Capela - OO

D21 · Post #260 » by **D21** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 10:40 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal. The roster is missing that 3rd scorer to compliment Trae and DJM. If you trade Collins, he's a good stop gap at the 4.

Trae - DJM - AH
DJM - Bogi
Hunter - JH - TJW
Collins - TJW - JJ
Capela - OO

It's a problem with this team, we even didn't try to see if any of these guys can be a consistent 3rd scorer,except when they were loosing and it was simply logic to get Collins at 20pts because Trae and him were the only two good players.
Hunter has not been tested and I'm talking about a stretch of some games where he's clearly the 2nd option.
ATL traded to get this 4th pick to get Hunter, and they don't even try. I hope it will be the case and he will succeed because I prefer having PG ans SF scoring than seeing it only coming from backcourt.

ATL had the second best offense last season, why would we add another scorer?

What has been the Hawks best move this offseason?