Trading Dame?

[BlazersBroncos]

I would rather get Obi and 11 than Ayton in a Dame trade.

Having 55M + locked into Ant and Ayton is just recreating a worse treadmill team.

And agreed on Sharpe. I can’t say much about his on court skills but his interviews are just an abomination and I can’t help but feel he just is missing ‘it’.

[Goldbum]

I've been told Griffen is higher than Sharpe on Portland's board. I'm hearing their board is "unconventional" so trading down could get the someone higher on their list as they are far from the consensus

[Norm2953]

Griffin is likely the best shooter in this draft (45% from college 3) and his injuries are much like
the injuries that Little seems to get.

Portland has an interesting decision to make at 7 for Indiana at six has their choice of the same
group of players Portland is considering. One can see Portland moving on from Ant if Dame is
playing really well if they take Mathurin/Sharpe but long term, that player at 7 is a better fit
time wise with Simons.

[elias808]

Griffin is likely the best shooter in this draft (45% from college 3) and his injuries are much like
the injuries that Little seems to get.

Portland has an interesting decision to make at 7 for Indiana at six has their choice of the same
group of players Portland is considering. One can see Portland moving on from Ant if Dame is
playing really well if they take Mathurin/Sharpe but long term, that player at 7 is a better fit
time wise with Simons.

Griffin seems like absolute fool's gold to me. People point to the high % but he only shot four attempts per game. The injury history should not be ignored. He's a net negative defender. His assist numbers are awful, at best. And he doesn't pass the eye test to me when I watch him play.

I'll be very disappointed if we stay at the 7 pick and he's the choice.

[m0ng0]

From what I have gathered and read, Sharpe seems like the classic million dollar body .10¢ head. Maybe he will be great and if we draft him i.will support him but yeah...assuming we keep Dame maybe he can mentor this kid a bit and bring out his full potential which is quite impressive.

[tester551]

Griffin is likely the best shooter in this draft (45% from college 3) and his injuries are much like
the injuries that Little seems to get.

Portland has an interesting decision to make at 7 for Indiana at six has their choice of the same
group of players Portland is considering. One can see Portland moving on from Ant if Dame is
playing really well if they take Mathurin/Sharpe but long term, that player at 7 is a better fit
time wise with Simons.

Griffin seems like absolute fool's gold to me. People point to the high % but he only shot four attempts per game. The injury history should not be ignored. He's a net negative defender. His assist numbers are awful, at best. And he doesn't pass the eye test to me when I watch him play.

I'll be very disappointed if we stay at the 7 pick and he's the choice.

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Norm2953]

Griffin is the guy however that the Blazers chose to show video, getting pointers from Dame. He also plays at a premium position and physically is everything a team wants at SF at 6-6 220 lbs with a 7 foot wing span.

I think Mathurin gets picked ahead of them at six, leaving Sharpe, Daniels and Griffin as their choices at 7. Id rather they took one of them over Jerami Grant at 7 if OG isnt available.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think you are really looking too much into that video.

[Norm2953]

I think you are really looking too much into that video.

Likely Sharpe is the pick at 7 but if he gets taken by Indiana at 6, it will leave Mathurin, Daniels and
Griffin to choose from at 7. Most mock drafts place Griffin's draft range from 7-11.

[wco81]

so the trade for Grant seems like a build around Dame, win now move.

Especially if they re-sign him after next year. Presumption is the team that traded for him would do so with the idea of extending him and he's been wanting what $20-25 million or more a year?

[m0ng0]

Well well well...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10040325-latest-nba-free-agency-intel-buzz-on-dame-lillard-jalen-brunson-malik-monk-more

[wco81]

Well well well...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10040325-latest-nba-free-agency-intel-buzz-on-dame-lillard-jalen-brunson-malik-monk-more

Having landed Lillard's one-time Team USA running mate Jerami Grant from Detroit before the NBA draft, Portland is now expected to offer the All-NBA guard a two-year contract extension that will exceed over $100 million, sources told B/R.

Starting center Jusuf Nurkic appears destined to be a part of the Blazers' future, with a belief among league personnel he will sign a four-year deal worth roughly $17 million in average annual value.

Anfernee Simons also seems like he'll be headed back to Portland. Rival teams expect Simons' agreement to be for four seasons, beginning at $80 million, plus room for incentives.

If they give out all those contracts, and presumably they will extend Grant who wants over $20 million a year, then the Blazers will be deep into the tax, won't they?

Still not clear that this team will have a much higher ceiling than the previous peak from a few years ago, without some other additions.

Or maybe Little really becomes a player and Sharpe is very good as a rookie.

[m0ng0]

Is just strange, people were saying his value is at it's LOWEST, we could not trade him for anything...so we extend him? Everybody was saying Dame never asked for an extension, well he got it and sadly that puts us in Win now mode and quite frankly it does not appear to be how the FO is approaching this off season.

[Wizenheimer]

Is just strange, people were saying his value is at it's LOWEST, we could not trade him for anything...so we extend him? Everybody was saying Dame never asked for an extension, well he got it and sadly that puts us in Win now mode and quite frankly it does not appear to be how the FO is approaching this off season.

c'mon man...quit arguing straw-man positions.

Yes, people were saying that Dame's 'current' value was at it's lowest. He's a soon-to-be 32 year old PG who just had his worst season as a pro because of a chronic injury that needed surgery to correct

but NOBODY was saying Portland couldn't get anything for him. Mostly they were saying that the Blazers couldn't get enough for him because of the current situation. Or, like me, they were saying that Portland should NEVER trade Dame unless he asked to be traded. None of that is how you tried to frame the discussion

and let's be clear about the situation that this last season highlighted: with Dame struggling, it was the opportunity for all those veteran role-players, CJ-Powell-Nurkic-RoCo-Nance-Simons-Little, to prove their value. How did they do? Well, approaching the trade deadline those role-players had led the Blazers to a record that was 13 games under .500. Yeah...13 games under. And these were the guys that so many were so upset about trading away? This season proved that the the engine that powered Portland to 8 straight playoffs was Dame, and nobody else. The one season when that engine was in the shop for repair, the team fell apart

and that's the guy you seem to be on a jihad against
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so let's deal with the extension you seemed convinced is already done: Dame's salary this last season was 35% of the cap. Next season it will be 35% of the cap. Do the math if you don't believe it

if you use the last 2 seasons as a rough template, than the salary-cap in 2024-25, the last year of Dame's current contract, would be in the 140-145M range. Unsurprisingly, that would make Dame's salary that season still about 35% of the cap. So then Dame's 'extension' would begin in 2025-26

the big thing about the 2025-26 season is that it will be the 1st season under the new media rights deals that the NBA is already drooling about. Not only will there be the 'usual' TV and Broadcast contracts, there could be massive gold awaiting in the streaming rights deals worldwide that the league is already working toward. I've seen projections that the cap in 2025-26 could increase 40-60% from 2024-25. Even a 33% increase could put the salary cap in the 185M range. If Dame's salary is 50M, his share of the salary cap could drop from 35% to 27%. Pointing out that 35% of a 185M cap would be a salary of 65M, not 50M

in other words, Dame taking 35% of the salary cap wasn't the problem this season, or last season. The problem was CJ-Powell-RoCo-Nance/Jones taking 63% of the cap while not being able to produce a winning record. You're focused on the wrong player

[wco81]

Is that TV deal done though?

I know NBA has said they wanted like $80 billion, up from $24 billion for the current deal.

But they've been talking about it for a couple of years so it doesn't appear the TV networks and the streaming networks have been quick to sign up for it yet.

Then there will also be a new CBA too, so who knows what will happen to the max and super max contracts.

[m0ng0]

Is just strange, people were saying his value is at it's LOWEST, we could not trade him for anything...so we extend him? Everybody was saying Dame never asked for an extension, well he got it and sadly that puts us in Win now mode and quite frankly it does not appear to be how the FO is approaching this off season.

c'mon man...quit arguing straw-man positions.

Yes, people were saying that Dame's 'current' value was at it's lowest. He's a soon-to-be 32 year old PG who just had his worst season as a pro because of a chronic injury that needed surgery to correct

but NOBODY was saying Portland couldn't get anything for him. Mostly they were saying that the Blazers couldn't get enough for him because of the current situation. Or, like me, they were saying that Portland should NEVER trade Dame unless he asked to be traded. None of that is how you tried to frame the discussion

and let's be clear about the situation that this last season highlighted: with Dame struggling, it was the opportunity for all those veteran role-players, CJ-Powell-Nurkic-RoCo-Nance-Simons-Little, to prove their value. How did they do? Well, approaching the trade deadline those role-players had led the Blazers to a record that was 13 games under .500. Yeah...13 games under. And these were the guys that so many were so upset about trading away? This season proved that the the engine that powered Portland to 8 straight playoffs was Dame, and nobody else. The one season when that engine was in the shop for repair, the team fell apart

and that's the guy you seem to be on a jihad against
***************************************************************************

so let's deal with the extension you seemed convinced is already done: Dame's salary this last season was 35% of the cap. Next season it will be 35% of the cap. Do the math if you don't believe it

if you use the last 2 seasons as a rough template, than the salary-cap in 2024-25, the last year of Dame's current contract, would be in the 140-145M range. Unsurprisingly, that would make Dame's salary that season still about 35% of the cap. So then Dame's 'extension' would begin in 2025-26

the big thing about the 2025-26 season is that it will be the 1st season under the new media rights deals that the NBA is already drooling about. Not only will there be the 'usual' TV and Broadcast contracts, there could be massive gold awaiting in the streaming rights deals worldwide that the league is already working toward. I've seen projections that the cap in 2025-26 could increase 40-60% from 2024-25. Even a 33% increase could put the salary cap in the 185M range. If Dame's salary is 50M, his share of the salary cap could drop from 35% to 27%. Pointing out that 35% of a 185M cap would be a salary of 65M, not 50M

in other words, Dame taking 35% of the salary cap wasn't the problem this season, or last season. The problem was CJ-Powell-RoCo-Nance/Jones taking 63% of the cap while not being able to produce a winning record. You're focused on the wrong player

I've stated this NUMEROUS times Dame is the best blazer EVER. But looking long term I think it was time to cash in our chips and make a play in the draft between this year and next by trading Dame. There is no hate, I just want this team to have a path to succeed.

My point is the team appears to be committed to Dame yet we are no better than we were last year, yes we got Jabari and Sharpe who are probably a minimum of one year from being semi productive, and we got Grant, same treadmill different year. Is there some free agent signing(s) that are going to vault us into the 4th seed? I don't see it

[BlazersBroncos]

My point is the team appears to be committed to Dame yet we are no better than we were last year, yes we got Jabari and Sharpe who are probably a minimum of one year from being semi productive, and we got Grant, same treadmill different year. Is there some free agent signing(s) that are going to vault us into the 4th seed? I don't see it

We are for sure better than last year. Simons is a better fit offensively than CJ and Grant is the best forward we have had since Batum. Now, does that mean we are a contender, no, likely not.

But we are for sure better.

[soobias]

it's these days and times when i think it's a good time to move DAME...
i think we could get a nice hall for him too.
i dont have any rhyme or reason for how much we could get back, but to me it feels like a arms race for a title and teams are willing to pay a lot.

[m0ng0]

So since this draft is burned NOW we need to convince Dame we are trying to win otherwise he won't sign his extension? This could be rumor of course but really? Cronin KNEW he could not build a winner 3 months ago. Jesus I'm sick of this and again NONE of this may be true but where there is smoke there is fire.

https://theathletic.com/3395908/2022/07/01/durant-suns-nba-free-agency-notes/

[Wizenheimer]

So since this draft is burned NOW we need to convince Dame we are trying to win otherwise he won't sign his extension? This could be rumor of course but really? Cronin KNEW he could not build a winner 3 months ago. Jesus I'm sick of this and again NONE of this may be true but where there is smoke there is fire.

https://theathletic.com/3395908/2022/07/01/durant-suns-nba-free-agency-notes/

did you read the article?

there's nothing in it suggesting Dame is using the potential extension to leverage the Blazers. What it did say is that the addition of Grant and Payton essentially made Dame happier. The question mark is Sharpe and Dame is smart enough to know that a rookie could take a couple of seasons to bear fruit

not only that, you have been btching and moaning about Portland giving Dame that extension...now you're btching and moaning that Dame might not accept it? That should actually make you happy...unless of course you're completely invested in the idea that Dame is just bad for Portland all the way around