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Bishop45 wrote:Heat needed more than shooters this post-season, needed some scorers-- Myrie and TJ Warren would fit that bill to a t... If they could stay on the floor (which could be said for a lot of players)
RexBoyWonder wrote:3ballbomber wrote:Pat must be tirelessly operating overtime behind the curtain. Working intricately w/ complex detail, coordinating w/ several teams to not only acquire a whale but to have a plan b & c in place in the event they all slip. Let's get it Riles, do work homie!
Here me out on this.
The reports are the KD want to come here only if he can play with all 3 of Jimmy + Bam + Lowry.
Some assume it's impossible due to trade rules, but in fact after crunching the numbers - it's 100% doable.
Nets only have 8 players on roster for next season with guaranteed contracts - meaning they 7 spots left open ATM.
If we offer :
+ 3 first round picks + 2 swaps (for added value), it can work cap wise and value wise. Nets get a team ready to compete (they don't want to tank cause they owe their pick to Rockets), and they can flip some of our players for added value, Vincent and Strus can get something from other contending teams.
We're absolutely gutting our bench and depth entirely but we'll have a starting 5 of :
PG : Lowry/Garret?
SG : Dipo / Smart?
SF : Jimmy / _______
PF : KD /M.Morris
C : Bam / _______
We'll need to find some vet minimum guys and undrafted guys to come here and give solid bench minutes.
But that starting 5 is IMO the best in the league.
eddieheatfan wrote:espn2Variable-X wrote:does anyone know where the summer league games can be watched online today?
RexBoyWonder wrote:3ballbomber wrote:Pat must be tirelessly operating overtime behind the curtain. Working intricately w/ complex detail, coordinating w/ several teams to not only acquire a whale but to have a plan b & c in place in the event they all slip. Let's get it Riles, do work homie!
Here me out on this.
The reports are the KD want to come here only if he can play with all 3 of Jimmy + Bam + Lowry.
Some assume it's impossible due to trade rules, but in fact after crunching the numbers - it's 100% doable.
Nets only have 8 players on roster for next season with guaranteed contracts - meaning they 7 spots left open ATM.
If we offer :
+ 3 first round picks + 2 swaps (for added value), it can work cap wise and value wise. Nets get a team ready to compete (they don't want to tank cause they owe their pick to Rockets), and they can flip some of our players for added value, Vincent and Strus can get something from other contending teams.
We're absolutely gutting our bench and depth entirely but we'll have a starting 5 of :
PG : Lowry/Garret?
SG : Dipo / Smart?
Jimmy / _______
KD /M.Morris
Bam / _______
We'll need to find some vet minimum guys and undrafted guys to come here and give solid bench minutes. But that starting 5 is the best in the league.
no prob i even had forgotten about this game so it was a good thing for you to remind me of it so thank you bringing this up .Variable-X wrote:eddieheatfan wrote:espn2Variable-X wrote:does anyone know where the summer league games can be watched online today?
Thank you kindly good sir, much appreciated.
dean456 wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:3ballbomber wrote:Pat must be tirelessly operating overtime behind the curtain. Working intricately w/ complex detail, coordinating w/ several teams to not only acquire a whale but to have a plan b & c in place in the event they all slip. Let's get it Riles, do work homie!
Here me out on this.
The reports are the KD want to come here only if he can play with all 3 of Jimmy + Bam + Lowry.
Some assume it's impossible due to trade rules, but in fact after crunching the numbers - it's 100% doable.
Nets only have 8 players on roster for next season with guaranteed contracts - meaning they 7 spots left open ATM.
If we offer :
+ 3 first round picks + 2 swaps (for added value), it can work cap wise and value wise. Nets get a team ready to compete (they don't want to tank cause they owe their pick to Rockets), and they can flip some of our players for added value, Vincent and Strus can get something from other contending teams.
We're absolutely gutting our bench and depth entirely but we'll have a starting 5 of :
PG : Lowry/Garret?
SG : Dipo / Smart?
Jimmy / _______
KD /M.Morris
Bam / _______
We'll need to find some vet minimum guys and undrafted guys to come here and give solid bench minutes. But that starting 5 is the best in the league.
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we are unable to include Dedmond's salary in that package as he was just signed and can't be sign and traded with other guys and his 4mil would be required in that deal to make the money work.
Kobewade11 wrote:3ballbomber wrote:
Someone in the twitter space made a good analogy the other night. This isnt a video game where we spawn to the same place our season ended, the “one shot away” theory is dangerous because it implies we can get back to a game 7 in the ECF without a splash move, and Im not sure thats the case.
BFRESH44 wrote:If your'e someone who truly understood the resources the Heat had at their disposal going into this off-season, you would've been more realistic as to how it most likely would've panned out initially. I don't think they anticipated losing Tucker, but hey, that's free agency. They'll be a contingency plan, be it someone internally, or possible a trade here down the line.
But all these pipe dream trade scenarios? Donovan Mitchell? KD etc etc. They all sound great. But you have to remember it takes two to tango.
Danny Ainge isn't trading Mitchell for anything short of a top 3 consensus draft prospect (like a Banchero or Jabari Smith), along with multiple draft picks/pick swaps. He's a 25 year old all star, with multiple years on the contract. Utah just got 4 unprotected first rounders for Gobert. Like be for real for a second.
And I'm sure the organization had checked in on Durant by now. But with 4 years and no outs on his contract? He's essentially available to 25 teams, and the Nets aren't making a deal unless it's exactly what they seek. And no, Lowry, Herro, the rights to Jovic, and every available pick we can trade isn't going to cut it. Hell, the Nets don't even have to make deal with anyone at all.
There's no perfect storm set up here I.E. the Shaq trade, July 2010, and Jimmy. And that's exactly what it takes for those situations to happen.
So I'd suggest you shift your minds towards Bam and Tyler showing significant growth. Oladipo coming back twice the player, with a real off-season to work post his last knee procedure. Caleb Martin coming back. And Yurtserven, Highsmith, Smart, taking Gabe and Strus type leaps as those around the margin guys.
Because that's what it's gonna be, playas.
BFRESH44 wrote:If your'e someone who truly understood the resources the Heat had at their disposal going into this off-season, you would've been more realistic as to how it most likely would've panned out initially. I don't think they anticipated losing Tucker, but hey, that's free agency. They'll be a contingency plan, be it someone internally, or possible a trade here down the line.
But all these pipe dream trade scenarios? Donovan Mitchell? KD etc etc. They all sound great. But you have to remember it takes two to tango.
Danny Ainge isn't trading Mitchell for anything short of a top 3 consensus draft prospect (like a Banchero or Jabari Smith), along with multiple draft picks/pick swaps. He's a 25 year old all star, with multiple years on the contract. Utah just got 4 unprotected first rounders for Gobert. Like be for real for a second.
And I'm sure the organization had checked in on Durant by now. But with 4 years and no outs on his contract? He's essentially available to 25 teams, and the Nets aren't making a deal unless it's exactly what they seek. And no, Lowry, Herro, the rights to Jovic, and every available pick we can trade isn't going to cut it. Hell, the Nets don't even have to make deal with anyone at all.
There's no perfect storm set up here I.E. the Shaq trade, July 2010, and Jimmy. And that's exactly what it takes for those situations to happen.
So I'd suggest you shift your minds towards Bam and Tyler showing significant growth. Oladipo coming back twice the player, with a real off-season to work post his last knee procedure. Caleb Martin coming back. And Yurtserven, Highsmith, Smart, taking Gabe and Strus type leaps as those around the margin guys.
Because that's what it's gonna be, playas.
Wiltside wrote:I’m still unsure on Mitchell. I get he’s a good player, a 25/4/5 guy. But we’re going to have to give up A LOT and while he’s clearly an upgrade on Herro, I’m not sure he’s that much of an upgrade to warrant the pile of picks we’ll have to give up.
I dunno, unsure. With KD, Atleast I know he’s All-World. Mitchell is legit but I worry about a 6’1” SG being a number 1 option deep into the playoffs.
dean456 wrote:Giving Robinson 5yrs was really something that really made no sense and is now likely biting us in the ass in these discussions. Should be a rule going forward that unless our player is a top 3 guy on the team and/or under the age of 32 he gets no more than a 3yr deal. Robinson really didn't deserve 4-5yr treatment. He was a nice undrafted story but I hope we can please not trust undrafted guys to be long term mainstays in the league going forward.
If he was currently on a two year deal with 2nd year option he'd be much easier to move right now even despite his salary and shortcomings this season.
dean456 wrote:Spoiler:
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we are unable to include Dedmond's salary in that package as he was just signed and can't be sign and traded with other guys and his 4mil would be required in that deal to make the money work.
Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
dean456 wrote:Giving Robinson 5yrs was really something that really made no sense and is now likely biting us in the ass in these discussions. Should be a rule going forward that unless our player is a top 3 guy on the team and/or under the age of 32 he gets no more than a 3yr deal. Robinson really didn't deserve 4-5yr treatment. He was a nice undrafted story but I hope we can please not trust undrafted guys to be long term mainstays in the league going forward.
If he was currently on a two year deal with 2nd year option he'd be much easier to move right now even despite his salary and shortcomings this season.
