[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[GreatWhiteStiff]

It is hilarious to watch the Lakers haters get their panties in a bunch over this. If this was any other team but the Lakers they would say an expiring contract, a first and getting off a bad contract for a player they don’t want is steal for the Nets. But it’s the Lakers so we see a bunch of dumb “the nets are letting the Lakers off the hook” or “I can’t believe the Nets are folding” comments. League execs don’t have the Lakers filling their head with hate like many of you do, they are just out to make a deal that is good for their team.

By the way I’m fairly certain this trade ends up being Harris and not Seth, and that THT may be included with that first and Westbrook.

League execs don't really care about haters comments the way you do either. Getting their panties in a bunch over things so to speak.

[GameChannel]

I'm not sure why some are acting like the Lakers don't need this a helluva lot more than the Nets.

Westbrook is a bad basketball player at this point, making 47M, at the tail end of LeBron's career. Kyrie may be a hail mary, but he's pretty much their only shot at getting a player that's good enough to put them back into contention.

I get that the Nets don't have a ton of options here... But it's not like they'd actually want Russell Westbrook on the team. Without some decent compensation coming back they'd be better off paying Kyrie to stay home.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. The Nets should milk Lakers for 3 first rounders unprotected at minimum as they need Kyrie a lot more than the Nets want Westbrook. Westbrook is a net negative on the court at this stage of his career and as such, the Nets might as well bench Kyrie for the whole year. Taking on Westbrook without multiple unprotected firsts does nothing for the Nets.

[SelfishPlayer]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

[CallMeKahn]

One for Kyrie and a second for taking on Westbrook's craptastic contract.

Why do some people keep mentioning Westbrook's contract as a bad thing? An expiring contract is never a bad contract. In terms of salary this is either a push or a win for Brooklyn, depending on if they include Curry or Harris, respectively.

Of course it is. It's not one with long-term implications, but paying a ton of your cap to a bad player is never a good thing. Curry has more on court value that Russ at this stage...

Maybe so, but nearly 50m off the books in exchange for a psycho PG has it's own rewards.

[Jedi32]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

emotions run high when it comes to the lakers.

[SelfishPlayer]

If I'm the Nets, I ask for at least 3 first round picks, unprotected. Lakers are desperate. Gotta take advantage of it.

Desperate? We’ve resisted the Wall rumors, the Hornets rumors, the Knicks rumors, etc…Pelinka made it clear they have no intention of giving up a first round pick in any of those garbage offers. Kryie is a different animal altogether, well worth the risk.

Then the Nets should simply hang up the phone. There's no point in taking on Westbrooke if the net result for them is the same as keeping Irving. The Lakers want Irving and don't want another wasted year with LeBron and AD? Great, Pay the kings ransom or go ahead and keep Westbrook.

Do the Nets want another season of Kyrie not playing OR being a distraction just to hold out hope that the Lakers are desperate for ANOTHER championship trophy?

[NyKnicks1714]

One for Kyrie and a second for taking on Westbrook's craptastic contract.

Why do some people keep mentioning Westbrook's contract as a bad thing? An expiring contract is never a bad contract. In terms of salary this is either a push or a win for Brooklyn, depending on if they include Curry or Harris, respectively.

Of course it is. It's not one with long-term implications, but paying a ton of your cap to a bad player is never a good thing. Curry has more on court value that Russ at this stage...

Westbrook is a bad player at this stage, but his contract isn't bad at all. His contract does not hurt the Nets in any way, shape, or form.

[homecourtloss]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

emotions run high when it comes to the lakers.

Compounded with LeBron hate as well (multiple posters in this thread).

[GameChannel]

Desperate? We’ve resisted the Wall rumors, the Hornets rumors, the Knicks rumors, etc…Pelinka made it clear they have no intention of giving up a first round pick in any of those garbage offers. Kryie is a different animal altogether, well worth the risk.

Then the Nets should simply hang up the phone. There's no point in taking on Westbrooke if the net result for them is the same as keeping Irving. The Lakers want Irving and don't want another wasted year with LeBron and AD? Great, Pay the kings ransom or go ahead and keep Westbrook.

Do the Nets want another season of Kyrie not playing OR being a distraction just to hold out hope that the Lakers are desperate for ANOTHER championship trophy?

And what are the Nets going to do with a net-negatiive like Westbrook? You're all acting like Westbrook is not a liability.

[Ice Trae]

This is actually hilarious lmao

[TheGOATWill]

One for Kyrie and a second for taking on Westbrook's craptastic contract.

Why do some people keep mentioning Westbrook's contract as a bad thing? An expiring contract is never a bad contract. In terms of salary this is either a push or a win for Brooklyn, depending on if they include Curry or Harris, respectively.

No

Because capspace means way less these days. If it was a legendary FA class like 2010.... yup that would be a hot commodity but the world done changed. Most player movement isn't a big FA signing anymore so the cap space is way less attractive. There was a time though

Cap space means way less to 3/4 of the league. It’s still pretty meaningful for 6 or 7 teams, Brooklyn being one of them.

[Johnny Bball]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

[sam_I_am]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

The Celtics swept the Nets and took a 2-1 lead in finals before succumbing to the Warriors. Kyrie almostnsingle handedly beat them in game 1 in Boston. I get that Kyrie is a problem but I would think there are 5-10 teams with no shot of getting the missing piece they need who could do worse than Kyrie.

[Snakebites]

I don’t think Russ and Kyrie are that different in terms of team toxicity. And Kyrie is still good at basketball.

So the Lakers should be giving something up here.

[Pharmcat]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

I question these articles , I don’t really think anyone is negotiating over holiday weekend

[dockingsched]

I'm not sure why some are acting like the Lakers don't need this a helluva lot more than the Nets.

Westbrook is a bad basketball player at this point, making 47M, at the tail end of LeBron's career. Kyrie may be a hail mary, but he's pretty much their only shot at getting a player that's good enough to put them back into contention.

I get that the Nets don't have a ton of options here... But it's not like they'd actually want Russell Westbrook on the team. Without some decent compensation coming back they'd be better off paying Kyrie to stay home.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. The Nets should milk Lakers for 3 first rounders unprotected at minimum as they need Kyrie a lot more than the Nets want Westbrook. Westbrook is a net negative on the court at this stage of his career and as such, the Nets might as well bench Kyrie for the whole year. Taking on Westbrook without multiple unprotected firsts does nothing for the Nets.

Anyone mentioning Westbrook’s on court play is wasting their breath/keyboard strokes. His on court play is irrelevant, it’s not being given any value. He’s just salary filler likely to be cut or sent home.

If it helps, here’s how to look at it:

First round pick and $20 mil cap relief in 23/24 (taking in Harris) in exchange for toxic Kyrie. That’s all it really boils down to.

[AussieCeltic]

Why are some Laker fans saying there won’t be any FRP? Where is the incentive for the Nets if there isn’t? They’d rather just park Kyrie at home and let him expire if there’s no picks involved, because that’s the same result as getting Westbrook.

[Ice Trae]

Ngl i hope a kyrie/westy swap goes through and No one trades for Durant. Kyrie reunion with LeBron, Westbrook reunion with Durant

[jus a fan]

Westbrook 47 million expiring
Kyrie. 37 million expiring

So looks like lakers need to add value

Better player kyrie

Lakers need to add more value.

Forms of value to make it worthwhile for Nets

THT. 1ST ROUND PICKS. AND TAKING BAD CONTRACTS.

Harris is being treated like bad contract.

Lakers prefer Seth Curry but I think Bkn values Seth so why would giving up Seth help this trade go through.

My prediction if trade happens

Westbrook THT 2 FRP
KYRIE and Harris.

Bkn gets value and off bad contract
Lakers improve team to wear they think they can compete.

To anyone over valuing Westbrook expiring don't forget kyrie is also expiring they can buy out either one of fhem. Bkn needs value to do a trade swapping expiring contracts does little

[SelfishPlayer]

Then the Nets should simply hang up the phone. There's no point in taking on Westbrooke if the net result for them is the same as keeping Irving. The Lakers want Irving and don't want another wasted year with LeBron and AD? Great, Pay the kings ransom or go ahead and keep Westbrook.

Do the Nets want another season of Kyrie not playing OR being a distraction just to hold out hope that the Lakers are desperate for ANOTHER championship trophy?

And what are the Nets going to do with a net-negatiive like Westbrook? You're all acting like Westbrook is not a liability.

Kyrie is in the last year of a deal. That is not a positive for any team that trades for him. Westbrook being in the last year of his deal is a positive. You never know what Kyrie may do when he now has the added leverage of assets getting traded for his one year contract. The Nets don't have anything tied up into Kyrie besides false hope in winning a Chip that left with Harden.