[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Johnny Bball]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

I question these articles , I don’t really think anyone is negotiating over holiday weekend

Well that's the only question, its such a good deal you have to wonder "are you stupid" or is it just BS. But there are few options for Irving and the Lakers only other option is worse and with Charlotte for Westbrook. You run with this even taking on Joe Harris and worry later about using him as ballast at the deadline.

As for the holiday... lol!

[youngcrev]

Why do some people keep mentioning Westbrook's contract as a bad thing? An expiring contract is never a bad contract. In terms of salary this is either a push or a win for Brooklyn, depending on if they include Curry or Harris, respectively.

Of course it is. It's not one with long-term implications, but paying a ton of your cap to a bad player is never a good thing. Curry has more on court value that Russ at this stage...

Westbrook is a bad player at this stage, but his contract isn't bad at all. His contract does not hurt the Nets in any way, shape, or form.

It's the final year of a terrible contract. It's still a terrible contract. I don't know what's not to get here. He's a bad player taking up like 30% of the cap for the year. Literally the best part of his deal is that you don't need to keep paying him after this year...

[Papi_swav]

Nets better be getting like 3 picks for this trash ughhh I'm gonna be sick

[Jagic Mohnson]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

emotions run high when it comes to the lakers.

Wait for the incoming poll of who won the trade. Watch Nets win by a landslide because Lakers gave up muliptle picks for that bum Kyrie. Followed by comments like Westbrook is gonna have a bounce back year because Lebon held him back from dominating and THT is a top talnt under the age of 25 just luke how D LO went form being a bum to a star as soon as Lakers traded him.

[Ball so hard]

This is precisely why most fans do a terrible job of assessing value. Like some have already mentioned, Kyrie is a sunk cost to the Nets and therefore receiving anything of value for him in a trade should be considered a win. Dumping salary is a win for obvious reasons. Teams usually have to attach an asset in order to dump a toxic contract. Also receiving any picks (even a 2nd round pick) should be considered a win. Some of y’all are thinking about this all wrong. Why should the Nets even care if they make the Lakers better. Your premise is flawed in assuming that such a trade would achieve a zero sum result for the Nets. The last team that tried to capitalize on the Lakers perceived desperation requested a draft pick for an equally useless player; said player was bought out a few months later.

[CallMeKahn]

Ngl i hope a kyrie/westy swap goes through and No one trades for Durant. Kyrie reunion with LeBron, Westbrook reunion with Durant

The drama that would come with the absolute destruction of the Lakers next season is a cherry on top.

[Free Rider]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

Eh, I prefer my GM to at least try to negotiate before acquiescing to every demand. Maybe the end up with the same deal but to simply accept the first offer off the bat is poor management and negotiating. They should absolutely test the waters and see if or how they can minimize the damage.

[NeoWarriors]

Maybe this is the Nets way of trying to keep KD.

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[Johnny Bball]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

Eh, I prefer my GM to at least try to negotiate before acquiescing to every demand. Maybe the end up with the same deal but to simply accept the first offer off the bat is poor management and negotiating. They should absolutely test the waters and see if or how they can minimize the damage.

I'm going to give you $%100 dollars for free. Care to negotiate for more and chance I might move on to the next person and give it to them? That's what this is... This is some dumb **** if is real.

[hugepatsfan]

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[hoosierdaddy34]

It is hilarious to watch the Lakers haters get their panties in a bunch over this. If this was any other team but the Lakers they would say an expiring contract, a first and getting off a bad contract for a player they don’t want is steal for the Nets. But it’s the Lakers so we see a bunch of dumb “the nets are letting the Lakers off the hook” or “I can’t believe the Nets are folding” comments. League execs don’t have the Lakers filling their head with hate like many of you do, they are just out to make a deal that is good for their team.

By the way I’m fairly certain this trade ends up being Harris and not Seth, and that THT may be included with that first and Westbrook.

I think it has to be 2 FRP's honestly. 3 is silly but it will be 2. I mean Gobert got 4 and he didn't require taking Russ and it was a bad situation. I do think that this move makes sense for all sides too. Lakers can legit make a run next year and Nets can retool. A few months ago I couldn't see anyway to get out under Russ now this finally makes sense, really for both sides. Lakers are clearly Win now fo the the 2 FRP's is fine (sucks yeah but WIN NOW)

The Lakers aren’t in this to bid against themselves. No other team is giving the Nets a first, much less take that extra year of Joe Harris that it’s obviously a priority for Nets FO to get rid of or they wouldn’t be pushing it.

But what is the Nets leverage here? Use Kyrie as salary ballast in the KD deal? So he gets sent to another team that is incentivized to take him and immediately works a buy out with him because they don’t want him around their young kids? So he signs with the Lakers for the vet minimum and the Lakers save both picks? Lakers say, sign me up for that scenario.

At least if you move him directly to the Lakers you get that pick and 2023 cap space. That’s a good deal for the Nets. Think you can do better? Good luck.

[NyKnicks1714]

Of course it is. It's not one with long-term implications, but paying a ton of your cap to a bad player is never a good thing. Curry has more on court value that Russ at this stage...

Westbrook is a bad player at this stage, but his contract isn't bad at all. His contract does not hurt the Nets in any way, shape, or form.

It's the final year of a terrible contract. It's still a terrible contract. I don't know what's not to get here. He's a bad player taking up like 30% of the cap for the year. Literally the best part of his deal is that you don't need to keep paying him after this year...

Lol but there's literally nothing for them to do with the cap space he's taking up. If this is the only deal on the table for the Nets, they absolutely have to take it.

[Potential_64]

It will be fun seeing Kyrie on the Lakers. Next year will be decisive for his future. Either they go deep in the playoffs/win title and he gets his max, or he destroys the team and never plays in the NBA again like Sprewell

[SelfishPlayer]

Brooklyn’s really gonna bail the lakers out huh..

How can Kyrie be both worthless and capable of bailing a team out?

The Celtics swept the Nets and took a 2-1 lead in finals before succumbing to the Warriors. Kyrie almostnsingle handedly beat them in game 1 in Boston. I get that Kyrie is a problem but I would think there are 5-10 teams with no shot of getting the missing piece they need who could do worse than Kyrie.

You and I both know that Lebron is the only player in NBA history that can make Kyrie a champion. Kyrie isn't the missing piece for anyone. Lebron simply needs a talent injection in that roster and that could be from a bunch of different people even Terry Rozier.

[facothomas22]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

I question these articles , I don’t really think anyone is negotiating over holiday weekend

I agree. I smell something fishy here. I don't think any teams are "actively" engaging in trade talks doing the 4th of July weekend. The media needs something to talk about until Kevin Durant or De'Andre Ayton gets traded. Kyrie is ether staying with the Nets and possibly sit out for the season if the relationship doesn't get better between him and the Nets, or he will be traded a team like the Heat,Clippers or Mavericks,who actually have the assets to trade for him in the first place.

[SelfishPlayer]

It will be fun seeing Kyrie on the Lakers. Next year will be decisive for his future. Either they go deep in the playoffs/win title and he gets his max, or he destroys the team and never plays in the NBA again like Sprewell

If the Lakers win the title with Kyrie I think they wave goodbye with a big thank you.

[eyeatoma]

If California uses a vaccine mandate again, Kyrie isn't going to be able to play most of the season.

Which would be hilarious so they should trade for him.

Could that happen?

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[hoosierdaddy34]

It is hilarious to watch the Lakers haters get their panties in a bunch over this. If this was any other team but the Lakers they would say an expiring contract, a first and getting off a bad contract for a player they don’t want is steal for the Nets. But it’s the Lakers so we see a bunch of dumb “the nets are letting the Lakers off the hook” or “I can’t believe the Nets are folding” comments. League execs don’t have the Lakers filling their head with hate like many of you do, they are just out to make a deal that is good for their team.

By the way I’m fairly certain this trade ends up being Harris and not Seth, and that THT may be included with that first and Westbrook.

League execs don't really care about haters comments the way you do either. Getting their panties in a bunch over things so to speak.

Speaking of getting their panties in a bunch

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah that's why no one else wants to touch WB

And no one wants to touch Kyrie. What's the problem?

Kyrie's unpredictability frightens teams. It seems LeBron is basically the only guy in the league that is still willing to give Kyrie the benefit of the doubt.

Nobody has an issue with Kyrie's game. His game is universally praised even while accepting that he's a bad defender.

With Westbrook, the criticism of him is entirely about his game.

Kyrie isn’t a bad defender anymore. He’s actually technically very sound. If he was bigger and could physically challenge players and withstand post ups, he’d actually be a very good overall defender.

Which makes the situation all the more ridiculous. He has all the talent, but cannot seem to resist causing irreparable damage to teams after a certain period of time.

[Michael Jackson]

The Lakers are so dumb for not saying yes already and insisting on Curry. They are never getting a better deal here even if it costs two firsts.

I question these articles , I don’t really think anyone is negotiating over holiday weekend

Almost never happens over this weekend. Everyone takes off thats they the flurry of first and second day signings happen