Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[KnicksNext]

The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

I'm not so sure about that. Define 'not that big'. IS 150M not that big?

Big enough, if he gets 150 million half this front page is gonna be rj hate threads. Hell might be like that if he gets 100 million

Yeah, because at this moment, he's not worth anything close to 150M. He's a losing player. He should have to show the Knicks he has turned the corner before he gets the bag.

We literally had a lot of threads and posters last year claiming how great the team friendly deal we handed Randle was. Same with Noel, Kemba, Fournier, etc. Why be in a rush to do it again.

[Oscirus]

I'm not so sure about that. Define 'not that big'. IS 150M not that big?

Big enough, if he gets 150 million half this front page is gonna be rj hate threads. Hell might be like that if he gets 100 million

Yeah, because at this moment, he's not worth anything close to 150M. He's a losing player. He should have to show the Knicks he has turned the corner before he gets the bag.

We literally had a lot of threads and posters last year claiming how great the team friendly deal we handed Randle was. Same with Noel, Kemba, Fournier, etc. Why be in a rush to do it again.

the pg we just signed showed exactly why you dont play those games. You want him to prove it go ahead but dont be mad at him if he does prove it and demands to be signed and traded elsewhere cuz you pissed him off.
That losing player bull is largely overstated

[stuporman]

The Knicks efficiency will probably be better this season with a real PG that can break down defenses and dish the ball to people in rhythm and in their spots.

Randle saps efficiency with his dribble heavy ball dominant style and RJ is still too young to consistently be efficient so Brunson will help the team as a whole be more efficient.

Burks is a great scorer who can pass but he's not the type of primary ball handler that has pure PG instincts so there were plenty of missed open shots and forced contested shots with him as PG.

That lowers overall shooting percentages and efficiency.

[Polk377]

Randle, Cam, 3 of the 3 protected picks, 3 unprotected Knicks picks, 2 swaps for Mitchell

Fournier and the last protected pick to ORL for Isaac since we’ll need defense

G Brunson - Rose - McBride
G Mitchell - Quickley
F Barrett - Grimes
F Isaac - Toppin
C Mitch - Hartenstein - Sims

Love Obi getting 25-30 minutes and the offense can run through him and IQ there on the second unit.

Mitchell isn't a generational talent to offer 8 picks plus Julius and Cam for. He is highly overrated in this forum. Volume scorer with one of the highest usage rates in the league. Not a great fit if we just signed Brunson to so the same thing.

This is just your opinion but you state it as fact. Mitchell is one hell of a player, and he's only 25. When he gets traded to the Heat and they win the title what are you gonna say then? He didn't have the right squad around him in Utah. That's not his fault. Let's wait to see how the next 5 years of his career go before trying to say he's not a winner. Is he generational? No. But who is? Tell me how many players in the NBA are generational talents right now. Luka? Ja possibly? Giannis? Curry? Who else? LBJ of course but no need to mention him. Where does he rank in the league in your eyes?

Yes all those guys deserve 8 picks traded for them along with the teams best player. At this moment I would say he is somewhere between 20-25 best. Good enough to be the best player on a team but not a franchise changer.

[Davis18]

Every max cats signed 5yr extensions.
No one will leave extra 40~50M to play for Knicks.
This regime should throw their FA plan out the window.
Their only hope is to trade 8 1st rd picks for disgruntled lower tier star such as DMitch or over pay borderline hoping to become star players.

Never gonna happen but Brooklyn fell apart, It is time to reset and bring in real front office and start building through the draft. NBA should force Dolan to sell the team.

[snadler]

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[ADeP7]

If Knicks want mitchell I’m pretty sure this is gonna come down to Knicks ponying up 6-7 picks to keep some of there youth out of it.
I don’t think anyone comes close to what we can offer. It’s just will we. And I think ultimately rose will be to scared to pull the trigger. Albeit it may be best if he doesn’t

[DaGawd]

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Just leaving this here

[stuporman]

No way the Knicks are going to put RJ into the deal just to keep DMitch away from other teams, that's just clickbait but if they are doing that it shows they are just another desperate Knicks FO regime but again, I don't buy it. It's some social media whore trying to get attention.

[Madskillzz024]

I would move everyone and everything but RJ for Mitchell
RJ has improved each season
Too early to give up on him and especially for Mitchell who isn't a superstar talent player

[Oscirus]

who is this eisenberg?

[Juggynaut]

Donovan Mitchell isn't that good. Rudy Gobert was always the best player on the Utah Jazz. And a Jalen + Donovan backcourt is a disaster defensively.

[GONYK]

Brunson's defense is taking a lot of slander. Brunson is an average defender and not nearly the liability DMitch was

[Clyde_Style]

We still have:

Obi
Cam
IQ
Grimes
Sims
McBride
RJ
Mitch

We did not unload a single one of them so far, but we did add a legit PG

They used our journeyman vets and picks to engineer this so far

That doesn’t mean they won’t package some of our youth in a future deal, but I think the implications so far is the franchise may finally be committed to sustaining a pipeline of developing players

Several of our youths are going to have very good and long NBA careers. In the past they would have been gone already, but they’re still here

So things are not the Same Old Same Old as past FO’s so far. There are differences if you stop bitching for a moment and pay attention to things as they actually are

Some of you guys love to pretend the Knicks FO didn't just have to unload future assets to get rid of the horrible contracts they just signed last year. If you take a minute to think about that, you'll realize how bad that really is. How some of you can defend that is beyond me. Plus they traded out of the last two drafts, which was our only opportunity to get some young talented players in the lottery.

Also, they signed Randle a year before they had to, and gave Fournier a bag too. Those two are also negative assets.

I can guarantee you this.. in 2-3 years we'll have threads about the players we could have drafted the past two years but we decided to punt. There WILL be a few future stars that were taken in draft slots that could have been ours.

I'm not complaining about Brunson. I actually think it's a pretty good signing. But to pretend the FO didn't completely f*ck sh*t up last year, and then had to try to correct their mistakes this year is just as bad as some of us complaining about every move they make. Be real man, this FO is way below average across the NBA. We're still LOL Knicks, if you haven't noticed.

Take a pill

[AusKnicksTape]

Randle, Cam, IQ, Dallas, wizards and pistons picks, bucks pick, 2 of our firsts top 4 protected for Mitchell.

And whatever filler is required to complete the deal.

Have to go for it at this stage. Teams just keep getting better and we’re going to just stay in the middle.

I will hate to lose IQ but I feel like we could easily find a 6th man somewhere. Would rather see Obi get the minutes and keep Grimes aswell

[8516knicks]

Brunson's defense is taking a lot of slander. Brunson is an average defender and not nearly the liability DMitch was

Brunson is a great addition in my view. (not just because Nova - though 2 (TWO TWO) national championships) but because of his pedigree, because he can post up other guards, but he was born to play NBA PG. Now we should fix all the other positions. We've solved PG for the next decade at least.

[G_K_F]

In the grand scheme I’m not sure how any rational fan of the NBA thinks Brunson-Mitchell-Randle is better than any of the Jazz rosters the previous years.

[Oscirus]

In the grand scheme I’m not sure how any rational fan of the NBA thinks Brunson-Mitchell-Randle is better than any of the Jazz rosters the previous years.

probs not but we saw what it cost to get gorbert whos going past his prime, imagine how much itll cost to get an in his prime mitchell

[KnicksNext]

Big enough, if he gets 150 million half this front page is gonna be rj hate threads. Hell might be like that if he gets 100 million

Yeah, because at this moment, he's not worth anything close to 150M. He's a losing player. He should have to show the Knicks he has turned the corner before he gets the bag.

We literally had a lot of threads and posters last year claiming how great the team friendly deal we handed Randle was. Same with Noel, Kemba, Fournier, etc. Why be in a rush to do it again.

the pg we just signed showed exactly why you dont play those games. You want him to prove it go ahead but dont be mad at him if he does prove it and demands to be signed and traded elsewhere cuz you pissed him off.
That losing player bull is largely overstated

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

[HarthorneWingo]

Why so much when he hasn't demonstrated he can even be a net positive for your team? (Which isn't to say that he never will be able to in the future)

Also, and I think this is what I feel most strongly about, why take the risk now? Why not wait a year?

If he plays well this upcoming season, and he demonstrates that he's actually tangibly worthy of that type of contract, then the difference in salary from your offer won't be significant or matter that much.

But if he fails to improve and he doesn't impact winning, you can then make a more informed decision, and decide to sign him a more modest contract that better reflects his (in this scenario) lack of impact, or trade him.

Extending RJ now for this kind of money would be incredibly impatient in my opinion. I don't see the need for this level of urgency. So, why?

Yeah, what’s the rush?

Exacty Wingo. I don't get it, especially coming from Knicks fans. We didn't learn any lessons from the Randle contract debacle. This could be Randle Part 2. Knicks need to be really careful with this RJ contract. I don't believe in our FO, but HOPEFULLY they realize they made so many mistakes last year and they have learned from those mistakes. I mean, how could you not?? You're giving away assets just to dump the contracts you gave out last year.