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Re: [HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade… 

Post#321 » by Up-And-Coming » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:35 am

youngcrev wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
If what is the only trade? Westbrook straight up? Then you're paying more money for a player that you don't want.

The question is what the compensation should be. I think the Nets have more leverage to ask for 2 1sts than the Lakers do to try and get it done for 1. There's a much bigger consequence to the Lakers walking away from a deal than the Nets.


Westbrook for Kyrie straight up is not possible. The Nets have to include Harris or Curry.


Ok? How does getting rid of either of those guys for nothing help them?


Salary dump of Harris' remaining $40 million.
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Post#322 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:36 am

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Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Should be the Mavs imo

Irving/Burke/Jones
Bullock/Dinwidde/Hardy
Doncic/Finney-Smith/Green
Kleber/Bertans/Wright
Wood/?/Onu


So what do the Mavs trade for Kyrie?


Hardaway Jr., Ntilikina, Powell, and a 1st rd pick
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Post#323 » by Rainwater » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:37 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:there's no reason to just give Harris away in that deal. It's not like they will be up against the cap or anything. And Harris can be traded at any point this offseason, at the deadline or in the future for picks/young players. Teams will always pay for shooting.

The NBA is a scripted TV show. Most teams are just farm systems for big market teams with superstars. If Harris is dealt along with Kyrie to the Lakers this is all the proof you will ever need. This could only happen if the league forces it. A rising tide (TV money) lifts all boats (franchise values)


Harris or Curry is needed for salary purposes. And Brooklyn is trying to get from under Harris' contract. Not everything is about helping the Lakers win.
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Post#324 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:38 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:I dont know about yall, but I dont take any rumor serious until this man vaguely talks about it

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I will say Windy is coming into his prime as a tv head rumormonger. Really love listening to this guy chatter about trade possibilities.

I honestly want to know what got into him with the Rudy thing. I get no doubt he knew what was going to go down. But the way he was dancing around the subject was hilarious. Im just curious what made him go on First Take (or whatever show it was) and go about it that way.

You know the next time he decides to do something like that, people are going to be trying to break it down so hard haha.
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Post#325 » by Rainwater » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:40 am

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youngcrev wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:
Westbrook for Kyrie straight up is not possible. The Nets have to include Harris or Curry.


Ok? How does getting rid of either of those guys for nothing help them?


Salary dump of Harris' remaining $40 million.


Man, people just hate the Lakers so much to make sense of this deal from Brooklyn's perspective. It's kinda ridiculous.
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Post#326 » by FreeThrowLine » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:43 am

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Snakebites wrote:If you think replacing Westbrook with Kyrie fixes all the issues this Laker team had I’ve got a bridge to sell you.


Could you be so kind as to point out where I said Kyrie fixes all the issues? Oh you can't? If you don't think Kyrie is a huge upgrade over WB then I'll sell you the bridge back at double your asking price


If you didn't think lrving fixes the Lakers issues why would you stop watching then? Lol.


Yeah lol :crazy:
You don't need to fix ALL the teams issues to make them a contender
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Post#327 » by Benedict_Boozer » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:47 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
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Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Should be the Mavs imo

Irving/Burke/Jones
Bullock/Dinwidde/Hardy
Doncic/Finney-Smith/Green
Kleber/Bertans/Wright
Wood/?/Onu


So what do the Mavs trade for Kyrie?


Hardaway Jr., Ntilikina, Powell, and a 1st rd pick


This isn’t that much better than the LAL offer honestly. THJ has long term money which Nets prob want to avoid and he shot like 39% last year.
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Post#328 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:48 am

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sp6r=underrated wrote:The best description I heard for Westbrook is that his skill-set and body type gave him the aging curve of an NFL Running Back. The way he plays the game makes being effective in the 30s extremely hard unless he completely revamp his game which he hasn't figure out how to do. Wade was a similar type and he fell off a cliff in his 30s too.


Wade fell off due to injury more than anything else. He never played 80 games a season in his career to begin with, and averaged 68 games per season, then 63 over the remainder of his career. He was almost never healthy because he too lacked reliable game beyond 10 feet. Or I should "scoring ability beyond 10 feet," because obviously he was savvy with pick-and-rolls.

But not adapting to ageing doesn't make them headcases.


100%. Westbrook isn't causing disruption by being a crazy bastard, just by not possessing game enough to back up his contract or role. There were a couple years where his relative inefficiency wasn't SO bad. League average TS% has risen enough to change that, but his scoring efficiency has actually worsened in the absolute, not just relatively, and his turnover rate has risen back to where it was early in his career as well. In 4 of the past 5 seasons, his scoring efficiency has been worse than it has since his first two seasons. Not as bad, because he was a sub-50% TS dude the first couple years, but worse than his customary 53% or so. That's ROUGH, particularly now.

He's incompetent from 3, and indeed unreliable past 16 feet (and really, past 10). He's become a sub-70% FT shooter, no less, wasting even more opportunities. He's really just degraded into a caricature at this stage. It's sad, too, because he still has bounce and quickness, he's just... He was never a particularly cerebral player to begin with but he's not quite as overwhelming, not as relentlessly athletic as he used to be and he has not actually seemed to improve any aspect of his game since coming into the league as far as scoring repertoire, which is a challenge for him as he ages and his athleticism erodes, if only somewhat.

Westbrook certainly knows how to spam assists. And he's still capable of doing that, as we've seen. 3 assist titles in 5 years didn't happen JUST from insane usage and it certainly isn't happening from bulk MP, because he's been a fairly well-managed 34-ish MPG player.


And just to add, I sympathize with Russ's aging struggles more than most. It is a lot easier for a defensive oriented big to age like a Duncan or KG. They slowly retire their offensive game and just focus on applying defensive skills that age slowly. Pass first point guards also find it easier.

But ball dominant guards who aren't great shooters they have to really revamp their games. They have to learn new skills, completely revamp their style of play. Russ when he gets older has to start playing massively off ball which is much harder than people realize. He has to focus a lot more energy on defense which again is changing the way he's played for 10+ yrs. It is just a lot harder transition than what players in different positions go through. It is why so many guys like him implode as they age.

I don't blame Lakers fans for being pissed. He isn't close to providing contract value. He's one of the worst players in the NBA even not taking into account contract. With his contract your team is screwed unless you have an ATG rookie or manage to land a massively overachieving vet on a minimum contract. But basically you are screwed. And the fact his shooting has somehow gotten worse is inexcusable.

But he ain't a headcase. And you explained why well.
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Post#329 » by Rainwater » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:49 am

FreeThrowLine wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
Could you be so kind as to point out where I said Kyrie fixes all the issues? Oh you can't? If you don't think Kyrie is a huge upgrade over WB then I'll sell you the bridge back at double your asking price


If you didn't think lrving fixes the Lakers issues why would you stop watching then? Lol.


Yeah lol :crazy:
You don't need to fix ALL the teams issues to make them a contender


We all know what you meant and it's funny how you are trying to walk it back. So you are upset because the Lakers are contenders hence why you were upset in your original post. You are going in circles.
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Post#330 » by DNice68 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:51 am

fart wrote:I’m calling bull. Lakers don’t have the assets to get Pat Beverly, forget about Kyrie. You can hate Irving all you want but he’s still a top 5 scorer in the league and any contending team would chomp at the opportunity to add him even if it’s a one year rental. Just more bull from the media trying to keep this LA narrative alive. Lakers don’t have a single tradeable asset.

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Post#331 » by Paradise » Sun Jul 3, 2022 3:53 am

The Nets have a 2027 1st from Philly (1-8 protections) on it. Adding the 2027 Lakers pick would make sense. Especially, unprotected.
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Post#333 » by Loaded_Hollows » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:01 am

RSP83 wrote:Maybe when Russ gets traded to the Nets, he can convince KD to stay. I would love to see KD and Russ at peace with their career, reunite, and just play basketball. Especially Russ, Kyrie's act really put Russ in perspective. Here's a guy who people like to hate because of his style of play, but the guy just play basketball, and I never heard him being a toxic teammate. So, I wish Russ would find a team that he can return to playing at a high level and still have chance at winning championship. If KD can get his mind right and embrace Russ it could still work. I can see myself rooting for Brooklyn.

There’s just one problem with this….KD wants to win a ring (a real one). And Westbrick sucks now. He can’t win with Westbrick.
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Post#334 » by FreeThrowLine » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:01 am

Rainwater wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
If you didn't think lrving fixes the Lakers issues why would you stop watching then? Lol.


Yeah lol :crazy:
You don't need to fix ALL the teams issues to make them a contender


We all know what you meant and it's funny how you are trying to walk it back. So you are upset because the Lakers are contenders hence why you were upset in your original post. You are going in circles.


You make absolutely no sense, anyone with half a brain could understand my original post was insinuating that Kyrie would make them a contender. I never once said he fixes ALL their issues, you need help with your reading comprehension.

Additionally as I sit here trying to fix a leak in my ceiling, I hate you and your username 100 times worse, I wish you would both disappear and make my life better
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Post#335 » by Up-And-Coming » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:03 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Up-And-Coming wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Should be the Mavs imo

Irving/Burke/Jones
Bullock/Dinwidde/Hardy
Doncic/Finney-Smith/Green
Kleber/Bertans/Wright
Wood/?/Onu


So what do the Mavs trade for Kyrie?


Hardaway Jr., Ntilikina, Powell, and a 1st rd pick


Respectfully, how is this a better deal for the Nets? Hardaway Jr. and Powell both are 30 years old and Hardaway Jr missed all of last season and has a multi-year contract with $55 million dollars remaining. Ntilikina is a minimum contract player who is almost out the league if he doesn't turn it around soon. The Mavs are a playoff team and that 1st likely wouldn't be high value/lottery.

The Mavs reportedly have no interest in Kyrie (possibly because they fear Kyrie influences Luka and potential chemistry issues or fears he would skip games) and Kyrie also reportedly doesn't have interest in the Mavs. This just seems like the Nets going out of their way to spite the Lakers because of their past success and taking a lesser deal. In the proposed Lakers deal the Nets at least get salary relief with Westbrook's huge expiring and dump their 30 year old vet, Joe Harris' $40 million 2 year contract. Nets can buyout Westbrook if they think he'll be a huge cancer. We'll see what happens but the Lakers Nets deal makes sense for both parties considering the circumstances, at least in theory.
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Post#336 » by Snakebites » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:06 am

FreeThrowLine wrote:
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FreeThrowLine wrote:Absolutely ridiculous, what is wrong with the Nets, if the Lakers add Kyrie I'm definitely not watching this joke of an upcoming season

If you think replacing Westbrook with Kyrie fixes all the issues this Laker team had I’ve got a bridge to sell you.


Could you be so kind as to point out where I said Kyrie fixes all the issues? Oh you can't? If you don't think Kyrie is a huge upgrade over WB then I'll sell you the bridge back at double your asking price

You didn't.

But I don't see why else you'd consider this season a "joke" if they acquire Kyrie.
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Post#337 » by formula 400 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:08 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Dumping salaries while getting 2 possibly juicy picks…..not great, but the Nets don’t have much leverage due to Kyrie being in the last year of his deal.



with that being said, why on earth would LA give up picks? they've been clowned for giving up youth and picks for WB. now they're going to trade WB and future picks for a toxic KI... i get the WB, tht for KI and seth or harris. but picks? LA has the leverage here. what am i missing?
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Post#338 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:09 am

Castle Black wrote:Westbrick and Ben Simmons on the same team… Lawd I’m praying for those backboards.


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Post#339 » by the_process » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:11 am

SleepingDragon wrote:
the_process wrote:I predict it will be Irving and Harris for Westbrook and a 2027 unprotected 1st.

That’s an absolute win for the Lakers. For the Nets, it’s tolerable.

Lakers would be dumb to give up a 2027 unprotected 1st and take on Harris' contract.

Either Irving and Harris for Westbrook and fillers(THT?), or Irving and Curry for Westbrook + 2027 1st.


I could see:

Westbrook, THT, and 27 1st to BKN
Irving, Harris, and Curry to LAL
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Post#340 » by the_process » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:12 am

formula 400 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Dumping salaries while getting 2 possibly juicy picks…..not great, but the Nets don’t have much leverage due to Kyrie being in the last year of his deal.



with that being said, why on earth would LA give up picks? they've been clowned for giving up youth and picks for WB. now they're going to trade WB and future picks for a toxic KI... i get the WB, tht for KI and seth or harris. but picks? LA has the leverage here. what am i missing?


Kyrie is lot less toxic with LeBron to keep him straight. We’ve already seen it.

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