Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[KnicksNext]

[quote="Davis18"]Everyone signed 5yr max extensions.
No one will leave extra 40~50M to play for Knicks.
This regime's FA plan is looking really bad so far.
Their only hope is to trade 8 1st rd picks for disgruntled lower tier star such as DMitch.[/quote]

Who we could have drafted just a few, short years ago. Is Frank still on Dallas? Maybe we could get him for a little less than DMitch.

[KnicksNext]

[quote="Madskillzz024"]I would move everyone and everything but RJ for Mitchell
RJ has improved each season
Too early to give up on him and especially for Mitchell who isn't a superstar talent player[/quote]

Here we go again..

Chanel where you at.. I don't have the energy.

[Oscirus]

Yeah, because at this moment, he's not worth anything close to 150M. He's a losing player. He should have to show the Knicks he has turned the corner before he gets the bag.

We literally had a lot of threads and posters last year claiming how great the team friendly deal we handed Randle was. Same with Noel, Kemba, Fournier, etc. Why be in a rush to do it again.

the pg we just signed showed exactly why you dont play those games. You want him to prove it go ahead but dont be mad at him if he does prove it and demands to be signed and traded elsewhere cuz you pissed him off.
That losing player bull is largely overstated

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

[HarthorneWingo]

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Imagine if the Lakers somehow get Kyrie for Westbrook (and other assets).

I KNEW the Lakers would pull some sh*t out of their ass (I'm swearing a lot today for some reason )

They always do. And most will say Kyrie can't win, isn't reliable, etc.. but I bet if he goes to the Lakers he proves everyone wrong. Talent wise, there are not a lot of players in the league who have more talent than he does. And he's still relatively young. I bet we have not seen the last of Kyrie.

The LBJ Love Potion No. 9 Experience

[HarthorneWingo]

the pg we just signed showed exactly why you dont play those games. You want him to prove it go ahead but dont be mad at him if he does prove it and demands to be signed and traded elsewhere cuz you pissed him off.
That losing player bull is largely overstated

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

Y’all killed Phil for it at the time but he had the right idea.

[KnicksNext]

the pg we just signed showed exactly why you dont play those games. You want him to prove it go ahead but dont be mad at him if he does prove it and demands to be signed and traded elsewhere cuz you pissed him off.
That losing player bull is largely overstated

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

You think RJ is the same as KD or other players who force their way out? He has ZERO leverage because of his lackluster player. And if he did try to force his way out, don't let the door hit him on the way out. What a joke to think RJ has any leverage.

[Oscirus]

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

Y’all Knick Phil but he had the right idea.

right idea, wrong execution. his trade was ****

[Oscirus]

Really? Look at all the great players that just re-upped with their teams. RJ will take the money over going anywhere else, like ALL players do. He would be restricted and we could just match. You didn't learn anything from the Randle situation.

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

You think RJ is the same as KD or other players who force their way out? He has ZERO leverage because of his lackluster player. And if he did try to force his way out, don't let the door hit him on the way out. What a joke to think RJ has any leverage.

This is all based on the theory that he puts up the numbers to justify such a contract. Meaning that he would have leverage. Clearly if he proves himself unworthy we'd let him walk anyway and it wouldn't matter what he does.

[KnicksNext]

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

You think RJ is the same as KD or other players who force their way out? He has ZERO leverage because of his lackluster player. And if he did try to force his way out, don't let the door hit him on the way out. What a joke to think RJ has any leverage.

This is all based on the theory that he puts up the numbers to justify such a contract. Meaning that he would have leverage. Clearly if he proves himself unworthy we'd let him walk anyway and it wouldn't matter what he does.

Gotcha. But 99% of these players end up taking the money. Also, let's say RJ does light it up and looks like a future superstar this year, I'm cool with giving him a fat contract. I'm just saying caution is the Knicks best friend at this point considering the mistakes they made last year.

[Capn'O]

The RJ extension number will be big. Not that big but big. And we wouldn't be the only NBA team wanting to pay it.

I'm not so sure about that. Define 'not that big'. IS 150M not that big?

I meant to have this in the thread talking about the Garland contract. Not as big as Garland's.

[knicks1999]

I can’t believe the Lakers are getting help again!!!!what a joke!

[iLLmatic860]

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[Oscirus]

wtf is bert murdolo?

[HarthorneWingo]

Its almost as if you havent learned that this is a player league and that players can force their ways out of any situation. Leverage means jack ****

If only I could think of a good example of such a situation happening to us. Hmmm

Y’all killed Phil for it at the time but he had the right idea.

right idea, wrong execution. his trade was ****

But Phil didn't trade him. He got fired for - allegedly - wanting to trade him. Everyone hated Phil for even thinking about it but when Perry traded him everyone was happy. C'mon man, you know Wingo is right.

[My apology for the typo]

[HarthorneWingo]

OG Anunoby appears to ge on the trading block. He's under contract for the next 3 seasons at

-'22-'23, $17.3 million
-'23-'24, $18.6 million
-'24-'25, $19.9 million

A trade of RJ for OG could open up for money for us to sign another high lever tier player. OG would fit in very nicely at the 3. RJ would get to go back to Toronto where he'd be a crowd favorite immediately.

[Reign23]

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Just leaving this here

leave this here... and GTFO !

[thebuzzardman]

In the grand scheme I’m not sure how any rational fan of the NBA thinks Brunson-Mitchell-Randle is better than any of the Jazz rosters the previous years.

I'd take being the same and those annoying 50 win+ seasons.

Listen, I have no idea if Mitchell is leaving, though I'd think he'd want to leave a team that is about to embark on a rebuild.

I know Hezi has said "They are in a good place! They got picks and that guy drafted #22!", but really?
While I guess they could use the picks to get a player, has that been Ainge's MO in a rebuild?
Mitchell has to be aware of that.

Also, Mitchell may want out to get to a team that at least contends, if not an immediate chip contender, vs a rebuilding team.
And maybe location has something to do with that.

Do I think that makes the Knicks strong favorites? No.
I'd think stronger than the Nets.

Then I see these 9 way trades where Mitchell winds up on the Nets. Without trading Durant. Really?
It's one thing to be able to dump crazy Kyrie for becoming worthless Westbrook, but suddenly there are enough picks among BK and the Lakers to satisfy Ainge? Really?

Anyway, he probably goes to Miami, but Knicks have a chance. It'll cost though.

[thebuzzardman]

OG Anunoby appears to ge on the trading block. He's under contract for the next 3 seasons at

-'22-'23, $17.3 million
-'23-'24, $18.6 million
-'24-'25, $19.9 million

A trade of RJ for OG could open up for money for us to sign another high lever tier player. OG would fit in very nicely at the 3. RJ would get to go back to Toronto where he'd be a crowd favorite immediately.

I checked OG's stats figuring they'd be awesome (might have gotten them confused with Precious) and came away feeling they are less impressive than RJ's, and I don't mean just in PPG, but SG%, FT%, 3pt%...everything. Also, they are effectively the same height.

[thebuzzardman]

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They both do and they also both have an interest in driving the price up on each other.

I mean, I don't doubt Riley is looking ahead a few years for the Butler replacement, but getting to play that player WITH Butler for a few years. But isn't it pretty established Riley gets into discussions specifically to drive up prices on rivals?

Again, I get how Miami is a legit contender to get Mitchell:

Can send out at least 3 Caucasian players that don't suck - Herro\Robinson\Strus
It's the city of Miami (fun), state of Florida (no state tax)
Organization reputation of at least last 20 years if not longer
Team would be strong in the starting lineup if not a little bench thing post trade*
*Miami always finds bench guys

[Reign23]

man do I hope we don't trade RJ.