[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[drchaos]

Kyrie had no takers for a sign and trade before opting in.

If he wants a big contract he will have to earn it.

The Nets might just want to wait until the trade deadline to move him.

[John Murdoch]

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Harden literally left to get away from the guy lol

[John Murdoch]

Kyrie had no takers for a sign and trade before opting in.

If he wants a big contract he will have to earn it.

The Nets might just want to wait until the trade deadline to move him.

That wont do anything but stall. He prob wont even suit up for them and if he does it will be a disruptive situation . IK for sure he could never play another game for BKN again and we would still give him a big contract

[Karmaloop]

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Harden literally left to get away from the guy lol

Sixers would have a hard time matching salaries without Tobias Harris.

[SK21209]

I'm seeing something about how the Lakers would prefer Seth Curry over Joe Harris in a potential Irving-Westbrook trade.

Am I missing something? Why would the Nets have to include more assets? In what world is Westbrook the better player in this trade, or at least clear cut enough that the Nets have to include one of their best 3-point shooters in addition to Irving?

Joe Harris is 30, on the books for $18 million through 2024, just missed 68 games with an ankle injury and apparently may not be ready to start next season because of the ankle. I’m not sure he’s a positive asset.

[Karmaloop]

The Nets need to do what's in their best interest of their team,not cater to what Kyrie want. The Mavericks would become one of the best teams in the NBA anyway if they get Kyrie. Same with the 76ers. He will be fine going to those places. Plus the Nets can actually get assets with those teams,unlike the team he "supposedly" wants to go to.

What assets does Philadelphia have?

[Onlytimewilltel]

if I am Sean Mark I am demanding 27&29 UFRP + 28 swap.
this is the only way for the lakers to contend while they are completely throwing the season.
they have nothing to lose.
LeBron will be 38, any season could be his last decent one. The Nets are already skrewed, it's not like the Lakers are offering them an opportunity to be decent next year.


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Agree with that. Unprotected 27 and 29 and 28 swap. I’d be asking for same

[ConSarnit]

Just keep it simple and think about it from a basketball perspective. Spacing. Think about what the sharpshooters, Kyrie and Harris/Seth, will allow the Lakers to do in terms of spacing for LeBron and Davis.

Even if Kyrie doesn't play, they're still going to gain Joe Harris or Seth Curry.

The Lakers didn't have any shooting before this and now we're talking about them acquiring two world class shooters.

That's infinitely better than where they were with Russell Westbrook.

I’m still not seeing it- the lakers will be better but no where near a championship team. If everyone healthy Mavs,clippers,GSW,suns, wolves, nuggets,Memphis, Boston, bucks and Miami are definitely better than these lakers plus Kyrie…

This roster with kyrie will be the 3rd best team in California let alone the nba…

Plus lakers gonna depend on a guy that says basketball isn’t his top priority or even second… but at least kyrie got hooping in top 5 priority- but he can do that in an empty gym and doesn’t care what managment or the team thinks- Kyrie keeps telling teams the truth and they keep ignoring it. At least Westbrook is going to play and care. Kyrie gonna Boston and nets the lakers and the rest of us gonna watch the slow motion train wreck… while the clip show takes LA smh

AD has done his thing- has his ring… he is physically and mentally and appears to be emotionally done. Maybe he isn’t but it sure looks like a guy satisfied
With a body that hurts all the damn time. AD is the champion Andrew Luck… exactly why should he keep living in pain when he rich and young… plus he has a ring. AD isn’t ever gonna be in the top 10 like Duncan and that’s fine, he has proven himself… which is why he not only doesn’t touch a ball for 3 months.. HE also tells the world I haven’t touched a ball… after he spent most of the basketball season NOT ABLE TO PLAY… why does he need a break from touching the ball… lol oh cause F this painful sport! Silly lakers fans…

And Lebron is telling the lakers I’m out with my son gets to the league… while padding his all time stats… and Lebron is legit the only reason to watch the lakers cause he is a genuine genius physical god that still works hard and tries - but he can’t drag a bunch of ‘half in’ guys to the championship. And other than stats and bronny WHY does Billionaire Bron need to waste his time with kyrie and ad-

But good luck the whole world said Westbrook wouldn’t work but lakers went all in there… now who sees kyrie being a whole new guy because he is in LA? Lebron gonna make him come to work when AD will be hurt and over his house watching Netflix and planning murals while Lebron is playing the clippers and John Wall is the 3rd or 4th option and PG13 gonna be the second option and Kawhi is back playing half speed because he has a better coach and team…

Take Kyries word… he doesn’t care about ball… and take AD non-verbal hints… he is done… get Lebron real help

Kyrie and Joe Harris for Westbrook is the neutral deal for both teams. If Kyrie is threatening to pout and sit for the season trading him along with Harris saves the Nets some money and gets them a massive expiring contract. The Nets shouldn’t care anyways if they’re intent on trading Durant. Westbrook can either be moved at the deadline as an expiring or be part of a 3 team deal. For the Lakers they get their man and shooting without giving up any additional picks. I’m a Lakers fan, but if the Nets add Curry they should be relegated to the G league and as someone who doesn’t even want Kyrie, the Lakers adding picks to this deal is absolute malpractice.

1) if BKN is rebuilding why would they care about having Harris on the books? Worst case he eats up $20m on a team that shouldn’t have salary issues once Kyrie walks. Best case they rehab his value and can trade him for neutral value

2) why do they need Westbrook’s massive expiring when they already have a large expiring in Kyrie? Kyrie + flotsam easily gets the to $40m if they want to facilitate a salary dump trade

BKN has no reason to do this deal without incentives from LAL. Harris’ deal won’t be prohibitive once Kyrie and KD are gone. This “Westbrook as an expiring” thing makes no sense because he makes $47m which is incredibly difficult to move. When was the last time a contract like that was used in a beneficial way as an expiring?

[facothomas22]

The Nets need to do what's in their best interest of their team,not cater to what Kyrie want. The Mavericks would become one of the best teams in the NBA anyway if they get Kyrie. Same with the 76ers. He will be fine going to those places. Plus the Nets can actually get assets with those teams,unlike the team he "supposedly" wants to go to.

What assets does Philadelphia have?

Tobias Harris,Tyrese Maxey(I don't want to trade him for Kyrie however),James Harden,and we still have a lot of our 1st round picks left. If Daryl Morey wants to really all in on winning now,we can offer the Nets James Harden or Tobias Harris,a unprotected 1st round pick in exchange for Kyrie and Seth Curry or Joe Harris and the Nets would easily take that deal.

Sixers if Harden is traded

PG-Tyrese Maxey
SG-Kyrie Irving
SF-Matisse Thybulle
PF-Tobias Harris
C-Joel Emiid

PJ Tucker and Danuel House Jr off the bench.

The 76ers would be contenders by getting rid of a washed James Harden for Kyrie and I think Kyrie would on his best behavior due to this being a contract year and his team would actually be winning. The Nets would get a washed up,but still good player in James Harden and a unprotected 1st to finally end the Kyrie drama. Not the best asset,but much better than the Lakers offer.

[Ben-N1ce]

League is 100% rigged if washedbrick gets you Kyrie and Seth Curry

[tundraknight]

Imagine a Westbrook and Ben Simmons duo

[mademan]

Nets can ask for the moon but I think a lot of people here overestimate the desperation of the lakers. Lebron is 38 and possibly moving on at the end of the year and it will take far too much for them to reasonably contend. They’ve given off the vibe that they’re done doing all in moves. They haven’t traded their picks and they’ve said no to taking long term money

They probably want kyrie but I doubt they’re willing to pay everything they have for him.

[Ben-N1ce]

Imagine a Westbrook and Ben Simmons duo

Maybe the Nets are looking to change the NBA like the 3 ball except with Simmons Westbrick and Claxton death lineup..

[CobraCommander]

Kyrie and Joe Harris for Westbrook is the neutral deal for both teams. If Kyrie is threatening to pout and sit for the season trading him along with Harris saves the Nets some money and gets them a massive expiring contract. The Nets shouldn’t care anyways if they’re intent on trading Durant. Westbrook can either be moved at the deadline as an expiring or be part of a 3 team deal. For the Lakers they get their man and shooting without giving up any additional picks. I’m a Lakers fan, but if the Nets add Curry they should be relegated to the G league and as someone who doesn’t even want Kyrie, the Lakers adding picks to this deal is absolute malpractice.

If anyone should be forcing their way out it’s Lebron…

Yeah if the nets give up curry it’s criminal- but think about it - no matter who the lakers pick up they gonna have the 4th best point in Cali and maybe the 3rd best point in LA… Reggie and John showing up is better than Kyrie 20% focus and time or Westbrook free styling

God this is depressingly accurate. Just look at the rest of the Lakers roster even if they land Kyrie. Damion Jones is the starting Center! We’re expecting Lonnie Walker to take on big minutes. The roster is still a mess even with Kyrie who’s also a complete mess.

The lakers are a mess- and they are going to compound it with these moves that don’t move them on the court but give ESPN and RealGM stuff to talk about - while other teams out here trying to win a ring

[CobraCommander]

I don’t see how this is better for either team.

Just keep it simple and think about it from a basketball perspective. Spacing. Think about what the sharpshooters, Kyrie and Harris/Seth, will allow the Lakers to do in terms of spacing for LeBron and Davis.

Even if Kyrie doesn't play, they're still going to gain Joe Harris or Seth Curry.

The Lakers didn't have any shooting before this and now we're talking about them acquiring two world class shooters.

That's infinitely better than where they were with Russell Westbrook.

People who don't think Kyrie is an upgrade over Russ are delusional

Kyrie is better when he is ON the court… and maybe the lakers better just without Russ on court even if Kyrie not playing … but honestly it’s NOT a championship team… so why does it matter while Lebron at this stage of his career? Talking about the lakers is like talking about the wizards and Kings… doesn’t matter - they not getting a ring with the roster or any of the purposed roster changes

[facothomas22]

If anyone should be forcing their way out it’s Lebron…

Yeah if the nets give up curry it’s criminal- but think about it - no matter who the lakers pick up they gonna have the 4th best point in Cali and maybe the 3rd best point in LA… Reggie and John showing up is better than Kyrie 20% focus and time or Westbrook free styling

God this is depressingly accurate. Just look at the rest of the Lakers roster even if they land Kyrie. Damion Jones is the starting Center! We’re expecting Lonnie Walker to take on big minutes. The roster is still a mess even with Kyrie who’s also a complete mess.

The lakers are a mess- and they are going to compound it with these moves that don’t move them on the court but give ESPN and RealGM stuff to talk about - while other teams out here trying to win a ring

If Seth Curry or even Joe Harris gets traded as well,Lonnie Walker likely won't be the starter. But yeah. The roster would still need a lot of fixing to truly contend, even they somehow got Kyrie and Seth Curry or Joe Harris. Maybe there will be solid players who are willing to take a vet min if by some very unlikely chance the Lakers are able to trade for Kyrie?

[ConSarnit]

The Nets need to do what's in their best interest of their team,not cater to what Kyrie want. The Mavericks would become one of the best teams in the NBA anyway if they get Kyrie. Same with the 76ers. He will be fine going to those places. Plus the Nets can actually get assets with those teams,unlike the team he "supposedly" wants to go to.

What assets does Philadelphia have?

Tobias Harris,Tyrese Maxey(I don't want to trade him for Kyrie however),James Harden,and we still have a lot of our 1st round picks left. If Daryl Morey wants to really all in on winning now,we can offer the Nets James Harden or Tobias Harris,a unprotected 1st round pick in exchange for Kyrie and Seth Curry or Joe Harris and the Nets would easily take that deal.

Sixers if Harden is traded

PG-Tyrese Maxey
SG-Kyrie Irving
SF-Matisse Thybulle
PF-Tobias Harris
C-Joel Emiid

PJ Tucker and Danuel House Jr off the bench.

The 76ers would be contenders by getting rid of a washed James Harden for Kyrie and I think Kyrie would on his best behavior due to this being a contract year and his team would actually be winning. The Nets would get a washed up,but still good player in James Harden and a unprotected 1st to finally end the Kyrie drama. Not the best asset,but much better than the Lakers offer.

Tobias Harris is not an asset. He is negative value. No one wants to pay $37m for a 4th option.

[levon]

The Lakers have other moves on the margins beyond Kyrie. Reports are they were revisiting Hield. They could route Curry to Indiana (expiring) along with THT (team option so effectively expiring, but also young for a rebuilding team) to grab Hield as well. I'm also eyeing if Beverley gets bought out.

They also need to sign a floor spacer big.

[Karmaloop]

Tobias Harris,Tyrese Maxey(I don't want to trade him for Kyrie however),James Harden,and we still have a lot of our 1st round picks left. If Daryl Morey wants to really all in on winning now,we can offer the Nets James Harden or Tobias Harris,a unprotected 1st round pick in exchange for Kyrie and Seth Curry or Joe Harris and the Nets would easily take that deal.

Sixers if Harden is traded

PG-Tyrese Maxey
SG-Kyrie Irving
SF-Matisse Thybulle
PF-Tobias Harris
C-Joel Emiid

PJ Tucker and Danuel House Jr off the bench.

The 76ers would be contenders by getting rid of a washed James Harden for Kyrie and I think Kyrie would on his best behavior due to this being a contract year and his team would actually be winning. The Nets would get a washed up,but still good player in James Harden and a unprotected 1st to finally end the Kyrie drama. Not the best asset,but much better than the Lakers offer.

Harden isn't getting traded, so we can go onto the next part. The Sixers need to include Tobias Harris to match salaries, and outside of pick swaps they can't trade a FRP until 2029 at the earliest.

[Karmaloop]

The Lakers have other moves on the margins beyond Kyrie. Reports are they were revisiting Hield. They could route Curry to Indiana (expiring) along with THT (team option so effectively expiring, but also young for a rebuilding team) to grab Hield as well. I'm also eyeing if Beverley gets bought out.

They also need to sign a floor spacer big.

I think Beverley is almost a shoe-in to sign assuming he gets bought out.