[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Karmaloop]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

[levon]

I'm seeing something about how the Lakers would prefer Seth Curry over Joe Harris in a potential Irving-Westbrook trade.

Am I missing something? Why would the Nets have to include more assets? In what world is Westbrook the better player in this trade, or at least clear cut enough that the Nets have to include one of their best 3-point shooters in addition to Irving?

Joe Harris is 30, on the books for $18 million through 2024, just missed 68 games with an ankle injury and apparently may not be ready to start next season because of the ankle. I’m not sure he’s a positive asset.

Westbrook is a 33-year-old, $47m negative asset. And all indications are that the Nets are not eager to get rid of Harris or Curry.

The actually reporting is that they're trying to get rid of Harris

[facothomas22]

Somehow I don't think it helps Kyries value in terms of getting the contract he wants if he sits out a whole year when hes a FA this offseason, he is Kyrie and may do it anyway but thats on him. The lakers maybe still take a chance on paying him big money next year but thats on them.

Hence the reason why everyone has motivation to see this deal get finished. Kyrie wants the Lakers to have his bird rights so he can get maximum money. The Lakers want Kyrie Irving to maximize their championship window with LeBron. The Nets want to maximize their return on a guy who is ready to walk, and not pay him to not play again. That's why I think it'll inevitably get done.

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Yeah,I can't see Sean Marks being this stupid. Yes the 2027 first round may quite valuable(like top 5 or so) and maybe even a 2029 unprotected 1st round pick could into play as well,but even then I still would say no just becasue how negative of a asset Westbrook is.Then we are talking about giving up Seth Curry or a sharp shooter like Joe Harris as well. if I was Sean Marks,I would wait until other teams offer a better deal,even if that means Kyrie may have to sit out for a entire season if the relationship is truly unrepairable.

[nbafan38]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Wouldn't the lakers still be in the same position mid season unless they find another way to unload westbrook.

[Karmaloop]

Wouldn't the lakers still be in the same position mid season unless they find another way to unload westbrook.

Probably. But the implication that another team (i.e. not the Lakers) would make a deal for Kyrie Irving.

[nbafan38]

Hence the reason why everyone has motivation to see this deal get finished. Kyrie wants the Lakers to have his bird rights so he can get maximum money. The Lakers want Kyrie Irving to maximize their championship window with LeBron. The Nets want to maximize their return on a guy who is ready to walk, and not pay him to not play again. That's why I think it'll inevitably get done.

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Yeah,I can't see Sean Marks being this stupid. Yes the 2027 first round may quite valuable(like top 5 or so) and maybe even a 2029 unprotected 1st round pick could into play as well,but even then I still would say no just becasue how negative of a asset Westbrook is.Then we are talking about giving up Seth Curry or a sharp shooter like Joe Harris as well. if I was Sean Marks,I would wait until other teams offer a better deal,even if that means Kyrie may have to sit out for a entire season if the relationship is truly unrepairable.

Its also strange if Kyrie plans to sit out why he would have opted in and not communicated with the nets at all around it if the plan was for them to get him traded. We also haven't even heard him officially request a trade, only Durant has. Kyrie is just odd so you can't predict what he will do.

[KyRo23]

Is Harris bad now or what? If the Lakers can get Kyrie with Harris, take it... why prolong it because of Curry?

[levon]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Wouldn't the lakers still be in the same position mid season unless they find another way to unload westbrook.

I really think the Nets want to be done with both players before summer league. It just seems like they're ready to turn the page. I actually think both Westbrook and Kyrie's values are highest now for each respective team.

[Karmaloop]

Is Harris bad now or what? If the Lakers can get Kyrie with Harris, take it... why prolong it because of Curry?

He's a negative contract. And the Nets probably want multiple picks in a Kyrie deal.

[Pharmcat]

Is Harris bad now or what? If the Lakers can get Kyrie with Harris, take it... why prolong it because of Curry?

Because imo it’s clickbait news article

[nbafan38]

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Wouldn't the lakers still be in the same position mid season unless they find another way to unload westbrook.

I really think the Nets want to be done with both players before summer league. It just seems like they're ready to turn the page. I actually think both Westbrook and Kyrie's values are highest now for each respective team.

This may be true but I think they will focus on unloading Durant first and see if they can get the package they want and then focus on Kyrie.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Hence the reason why everyone has motivation to see this deal get finished. Kyrie wants the Lakers to have his bird rights so he can get maximum money. The Lakers want Kyrie Irving to maximize their championship window with LeBron. The Nets want to maximize their return on a guy who is ready to walk, and not pay him to not play again. That's why I think it'll inevitably get done.

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Yeah,I can't see Sean Marks being this stupid. Yes the 2027 first round may quite valuable(like top 5 or so) and maybe even a 2029 unprotected 1st round pick could into play as well,but even then I still would say no just becasue how negative of a asset Westbrook is.Then we are talking about giving up Seth Curry or a sharp shooter like Joe Harris as well. if I was Sean Marks,I would wait until other teams offer a better deal,even if that means Kyrie may have to sit out for a entire season if the relationship is truly unrepairable.

So you think it’s better to keep Kyrie on the team and sit him and deal with all the drama and Bs that will come with that for an entire year and not get anything for him in return than trade him and get westbrook (who they can buyout if they want to it also let him sit same as kyrie) and get 2-3 picks some of the unprotected first rounders?? How does that make any sense.

[nbafan38]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Yeah,I can't see Sean Marks being this stupid. Yes the 2027 first round may quite valuable(like top 5 or so) and maybe even a 2029 unprotected 1st round pick could into play as well,but even then I still would say no just becasue how negative of a asset Westbrook is.Then we are talking about giving up Seth Curry or a sharp shooter like Joe Harris as well. if I was Sean Marks,I would wait until other teams offer a better deal,even if that means Kyrie may have to sit out for a entire season if the relationship is truly unrepairable.

So you think it’s better to keep Kyrie on the team and sit him and deal with all the drama and Bs that will come with that for an entire year and not get anything for him in return than trade him and get westbrook (who they can buyout if they want to it also let him sit same as kyrie) and get 2-3 picks some of the unprotected first rounders?? How does that make any sense.

Depends how many picks are involved and also don't give up Seth Curry.

[bisme37]

I've seen reports that the Sixers and Mavs are interested in Kyrie too. Gotta think they can give something better than Russ.

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[Karmaloop]

I've seen reports that the Sixers and Mavs are interested in Kyrie too. Gotta think they can give something better than Russ.

Multiple beat writers for their respective teams have already shot it down.

[AI]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

I think Brooklyn would also prefer to avoid trading him midseason since his value is highest before the season starts.

[Onlytimewilltel]

I've seen reports that the Sixers and Mavs are interested in Kyrie too. Gotta think they can give something better than Russ.

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Harden left because of Kyrie. How does that make any sense?

[levon]

Indy fans: Would the Pacers be willing to do something like this

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2xrqru3d

Pacers get off an extra year of Hield, get Seth's bird rights, take a chance on THT who has a team option on that last year anyway (effectively expiring), and get another shooter in Harris. Maybe get some light draft compensation/cash compensation from LA as well.

Nets get off both Curry's and Harris' salaries and turn the page on the Kyrie era. They take FRP(s) back from LAL and buy out Westbrook, shedding 17m in total salary and clearing their books.

Lakers start the Kyrie experiment and get coveted, potentially negative player Hield back. His contract probably makes the team balk, but it was frontloaded and they theoretically get a starting SG, at least for the regular season.

[levon]

I've seen reports that the Sixers and Mavs are interested in Kyrie too. Gotta think they can give something better than Russ.

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Harden left because of Kyrie. How does that make any sense?

It doesn't. Multiple reports thereafter shot down both the Philly and Mavs interest, rather forcefully actually. Both teams had internal discussions but haven't reached out, at least yet.

[facothomas22]

Is Harris bad now or what? If the Lakers can get Kyrie with Harris, take it... why prolong it because of Curry?

Unless they believe they can trade Westbrook elsewhere for menaingful assets(news flash,not going to happen), assuming they are actual discussions between Nets and Lakers about a Westbrook/Kyrie Irving trade and it's not just more media hype, they should just take Kyrie and Harris in exchange for Westbrook and a unprotected 2027 1st round pick and be happy. The way the team is right now,this a 28 to maybe a 35 win team. With Kyrie and a healthy Joe Harris,they would be a good playoff team(assuming none of the "big 3" misses most of the season due to injury)and there's a chance solid players would be willing to take a vet min deal to improve the team chances.