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Capn'O wrote:Knicks should try to swoop in on that Durant trade and get Mikal Bridges. We can offer draft compensation, prospects, and salary filler like Evan. Or even Randle.
Brunson
RJ
Mikal
Randle
Mitch
spree8 wrote:I don't even care about Mitchell anymore, just get rid of Fournier at least so we can see Cam play. I'm even fine with keeping Randle because it'll be a surefire way to the lotto.
Brunson/Rose/Deuce
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Cam/Keels
Julius/Obi/Taj
Mitch/Hart/Sims
On the road to 30-52, let's gooo!
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Reign23 wrote:I hope that all RJ fans (including me) are coming at you all season when he looks great.
What's the statistical standard for "looking great"?
Because some people have argued that he "looked great" this past season even though no advanced impact metric painted him as a net positive (on either end), and he was in the bottom of the league in efficiency as primarily a scorer.
So I'm skeptical of these subjective assessments.
Therefore, are you expecting him to be efficient scoring the ball next season? Are you expecting him to have a tangible impact on defense that can be measured by defensive RAPM, or defensive RAPTOR? Do you expect him to make plays for his teammates relative to his usage? All of the above? Do you expect the Knicks to make the playoffs thanks to his contributions?
yes we get it mister 30 and 5 isnt a great season. You will hold rj and only rj up to a higher standard and only acknowledge him when he hits certain numbers for certain stats and the team finishes no.1 in the east while at the same time at least making the ecf. But until then he sucks and must be traded asap for the purpose of some tank job that this front office will never sign off.
Chanel Bomber wrote:Oscirus wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:What's the statistical standard for "looking great"?
Because some people have argued that he "looked great" this past season even though no advanced impact metric painted him as a net positive (on either end), and he was in the bottom of the league in efficiency as primarily a scorer.
So I'm skeptical of these subjective assessments.
Therefore, are you expecting him to be efficient scoring the ball next season? Are you expecting him to have a tangible impact on defense that can be measured by defensive RAPM, or defensive RAPTOR? Do you expect him to make plays for his teammates relative to his usage? All of the above? Do you expect the Knicks to make the playoffs thanks to his contributions?
yes we get it mister 30 and 5 isnt a great season. You will hold rj and only rj up to a higher standard and only acknowledge him when he hits certain numbers for certain stats and the team finishes no.1 in the east while at the same time at least making the ecf. But until then he sucks and must be traded asap for the purpose of some tank job that this front office will never sign off.
Clearly you didn't get it so I will have to write a 3 paragraphs just for you, with a level of nuance and statistics that you may or may not be able to process. You are most welcome.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Oscirus wrote:yes we get it mister 30 and 5 isnt a great season. You will hold rj and only rj up to a higher standard and only acknowledge him when he hits certain numbers for certain stats and the team finishes no.1 in the east while at the same time at least making the ecf. But until then he sucks and must be traded asap for the purpose of some tank job that this front office will never sign off.
Clearly you didn't get it so I will have to write a 3 paragraphs just for you, with a level of nuance and statistics that you may or may not be able to process. You are most welcome.
let me sum up said paragraphs to save you the time, I hold rj to different standards than everybody else and even if he did meet said standards, I would keep moving the goalpost to justify my hate. YWIA
thebuzzardman wrote:stuporman wrote:The Knicks efficiency will probably be better this season with a real PG that can break down defenses and dish the ball to people in rhythm and in their spots.
Randle saps efficiency with his dribble heavy ball dominant style and RJ is still too young to consistently be efficient so Brunson will help the team as a whole be more efficient.
Burks is a great scorer who can pass but he's not the type of primary ball handler that has pure PG instincts so there were plenty of missed open shots and forced contested shots with him as PG.
That lowers overall shooting percentages and efficiency.
A few questions that will or will not get answered:
How often will Randle be off the ball? He shouldn't be on the ball very much with Brunson, but he's still going to. How much?
IF Randle is off the ball the majority of the time (hopefully), how does he look in that role? Still effective? Attractive to other teams?
Will Thibs ensure Randle is off the ball
To get Randle his "run the offense" fix, how does he do that? Stagger subs so Randle is with the 2nd unit more and gets on the ball more then?
Fournier - does he get the Burks "pre-PG Burks" role as super sub?
How does Thibs mitigate defensive issues of Brunson/Fournier or Brunson/D Mitchell
Obviously there are bigger questions around minutes/rotation after any additional moves do or don't happen, but figured those are things to look for
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EricAnderson wrote:?s=21&t=wpiX9utjYGwBLrkRwJTSqA
Lol if the Nets do that trade they should be contracted
Reign23 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
Just another "RJ sucks" post
RJ and Randle suck.
So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.
You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.
The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.
I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.
I hope that all RJ fans (including me) are coming at you all season when he looks great.
Chanel Bomber wrote:Oscirus wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:What's the statistical standard for "looking great"?
Because some people have argued that he "looked great" this past season even though no advanced impact metric painted him as a net positive (on either end), and he was in the bottom of the league in efficiency as primarily a scorer.
So I'm skeptical of these subjective assessments.
Therefore, are you expecting him to be efficient scoring the ball next season? Are you expecting him to have a tangible impact on defense that can be measured by defensive RAPM, or defensive RAPTOR? Do you expect him to make plays for his teammates relative to his usage? All of the above? Do you expect the Knicks to make the playoffs thanks to his contributions?
yes we get it mister 30 and 5 isnt a great season. You will hold rj and only rj up to a higher standard and only acknowledge him when he hits certain numbers for certain stats and the team finishes no.1 in the east while at the same time at least making the ecf. But until then he sucks and must be traded asap for the purpose of some tank job that this front office will never sign off.
Clearly you didn't get it so I will have to write a 3 paragraphs just for you, with a level of nuance and statistics that you may or may not be able to process. You are most welcome.
DaGawd wrote:EricAnderson wrote:?s=21&t=wpiX9utjYGwBLrkRwJTSqA
Lol if the Nets do that trade they should be contracted
Yeah that trade is ass wtf
stuporman wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:stuporman wrote:The Knicks efficiency will probably be better this season with a real PG that can break down defenses and dish the ball to people in rhythm and in their spots.
Randle saps efficiency with his dribble heavy ball dominant style and RJ is still too young to consistently be efficient so Brunson will help the team as a whole be more efficient.
Burks is a great scorer who can pass but he's not the type of primary ball handler that has pure PG instincts so there were plenty of missed open shots and forced contested shots with him as PG.
That lowers overall shooting percentages and efficiency.
A few questions that will or will not get answered:
How often will Randle be off the ball? He shouldn't be on the ball very much with Brunson, but he's still going to. How much?
IF Randle is off the ball the majority of the time (hopefully), how does he look in that role? Still effective? Attractive to other teams?
Will Thibs ensure Randle is off the ball
To get Randle his "run the offense" fix, how does he do that? Stagger subs so Randle is with the 2nd unit more and gets on the ball more then?
Fournier - does he get the Burks "pre-PG Burks" role as super sub?
How does Thibs mitigate defensive issues of Brunson/Fournier or Brunson/D Mitchell
Obviously there are bigger questions around minutes/rotation after any additional moves do or don't happen, but figured those are things to look for
I'm just hoping it doesn't turn into a situation where it's Randle and Brunson taking turns pounding the ball for 5 seconds while everyone, including RJ, stands around watching. I could easily see Randle becoming disgruntled if his touches go down and his numbers don't satisfy his expectations.
evevale wrote:DaGawd wrote:Trade for Mitchell, Bring back Melo on the MLE and the off season is complete
you just want to trade for mitchell so you don't have to change your avatar
very bad, lazy person
_______ M U C K A_________ ** GO NY GO NY GO NY GO! ** ? stuporman wrote:Is Otto Porter a FA? The Knicks could offer him the room MLE
